i7 4790k and mobo?

[xXAXONXx]

hi, i need to know if i buy a i7 4790k will i be able to use the 100% of its performance on gaming with a h81 ga-h81m-h gigabyte motherboard and Intel H81 Boetec ( or STELL & DECKER or Macroway) without limitations in performance/speed?

 

cause i never heared about those brands before

 

 

https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.pe/MPE-616060662-placa-gigabyte-h81m-h-lga-1150-con-i5-4460-34-ghz-_JM?searchVariation=174964963523#searchVariation=174964963523&position=25&search_layout=stack&type=item&tracking_id=7ed78b62-b92a-4ce8-bb2b-9289656dab7b

 

https://articulo.mercadolibre.com.pe/MPE-442538864-placa-madre-socket-lga1150ddr3-intel-h81-nueva-_JM?searchVariation=72201685682#searchVariation=72201685682&position=3&search_layout=stack&type=item&tracking_id=7ed78b62-b92a-4ce8-bb2b-9289656dab7b

 

[An0maly_76]

I've not heard of a motherboard limiting CPU performance, only RAM and storage speeds.

[IkeaGnome]

Just now, An0maly_76 said:

motherboard limiting CPU performance,

VRMs will do it.

[An0maly_76]

Just now, IkeaGnome said:

VRMs will do it.

I guess I could see that if VRM dropoff limits CPU power. Is that a known issue with 4th-gen though?

[IkeaGnome]

17 minutes ago, An0maly_76 said:

I guess I could see that if VRM dropoff limits CPU power. Is that a known issue with 4th-gen though?

I'm not sure. I wasn't following computers enough around 4th gen. It is something that could cause a motherboard to limit CPUs though.

[RONOTHAN##]

2 minutes ago, An0maly_76 said:

I guess I could see that if VRM dropoff limits CPU power. Is that a known issue with 4th-gen though?

Not really on 4th gen since that was when Intel released the integrated voltage regulator, so the VRM ran at much higher voltages where it's a lot more efficient for the amount of power it draws, so the VRM still runs fine even with a terrible VRM (and believe me, both of those boards have really terrible VRMs). See the Gigabyte Z97X-SOC, a board with a 4 phase VRM and tiny heatsink that was able to handle a 4790K even on LN2, compared to the Z170X-SOC Force, the 6th gen board (the integrated voltage regulator was removed on 6th gen) with over 5X the power stages and massive heatsink (albeit this was very overkill, but it was a lot less overkill than it would have been for a Haswell system). 

 

That said, the only reason to have a 4790K not really suck today is to be able to overclock it to something like 4.6GHz, and none of those boards support overclocking. Used Z97 boards are about the same price as those but much better, and you should just go for one of those instead.

[Fasauceome]

1 hour ago, xXAXONXx said:

cause i never heared about those brands before

 

1 hour ago, xXAXONXx said:

gigabyte motherboard and Intel H81 Boetec

You've never heard of Gigabyte? pretty common name brand at least in the US. Although I have not heard of Boetec myself either,,

Edited August 27, 2022 by Fasauceome
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[Mick Naughty]

Given a quick glance, I'd say the cpu isnt gonna be oc'ing well. But at the same time, the rest of the rig may not be able to keep up either. Ran higher end asus boards with mine and should be going for cheap just may not be alot in the area. If you havent got the cpu already, I'd save some money and get a non k variant or even a 4770.

[xXAXONXx]

20 hours ago, RONOTHAN## said:

Not really on 4th gen since that was when Intel released the integrated voltage regulator, so the VRM ran at much higher voltages where it's a lot more efficient for the amount of power it draws, so the VRM still runs fine even with a terrible VRM (and believe me, both of those boards have really terrible VRMs). See the Gigabyte Z97X-SOC, a board with a 4 phase VRM and tiny heatsink that was able to handle a 4790K even on LN2, compared to the Z170X-SOC Force, the 6th gen board (the integrated voltage regulator was removed on 6th gen) with over 5X the power stages and massive heatsink (albeit this was very overkill, but it was a lot less overkill than it would have been for a Haswell system). 

 

That said, the only reason to have a 4790K not really suck today is to be able to overclock it to something like 4.6GHz, and none of those boards support overclocking. Used Z97 boards are about the same price as those but much better, and you should just go for one of those instead.

whats vrm

[xXAXONXx]

20 hours ago, RONOTHAN## said:

Not really on 4th gen since that was when Intel released the integrated voltage regulator, so the VRM ran at much higher voltages where it's a lot more efficient for the amount of power it draws, so the VRM still runs fine even with a terrible VRM (and believe me, both of those boards have really terrible VRMs). See the Gigabyte Z97X-SOC, a board with a 4 phase VRM and tiny heatsink that was able to handle a 4790K even on LN2, compared to the Z170X-SOC Force, the 6th gen board (the integrated voltage regulator was removed on 6th gen) with over 5X the power stages and massive heatsink (albeit this was very overkill, but it was a lot less overkill than it would have been for a Haswell system). 

 

That said, the only reason to have a 4790K not really suck today is to be able to overclock it to something like 4.6GHz, and none of those boards support overclocking. Used Z97 boards are about the same price as those but much better, and you should just go for one of those instead.

does my msi z170a g-45 gaming have a good vrm i7 6700k?, or is bad vrm??

[RONOTHAN##]

10 minutes ago, xXAXONXx said:

whats vrm

Voltage regulation module. Basically the thing that powers the CPU. Better ones run cooler and have more stable output voltages. Primarily way to get better ones is to have more power phases, but that's not a be all end all measuremrnt (Crosshair VIII Impact, for instance, is a 4 phase VCore, but it's better than a lot of 8 Phase and larger VRMs that exist) 

 

8 minutes ago, xXAXONXx said:

does my msi z170a g-45 gaming have a good vrm i7 6700k?, or is bad vrm??

It's fine. Nothing particularly amazing, I wouldn't want to take that board in LN2 or anything like that, but it's more than adequate for a 5GHz 7700K.

[xXAXONXx]

3 minutes ago, RONOTHAN## said:

Voltage regulation module. Basically the thing that powers the CPU. Better ones run cooler and have more stable output voltages. Primarily way to get better ones is to have more power phases, but that's not a be all end all measuremrnt (Crosshair VIII Impact, for instance, is a 4 phase VCore, but it's better than a lot of 8 Phase and larger VRMs that exist) 

 

It's fine. Nothing particularly amazing, I wouldn't want to take that board in LN2 or anything like that, but it's more than adequate for a 5GHz 7700K.

whats ln2

[Ryuikko]

17 minutes ago, xXAXONXx said:

whats ln2

It's just stands for liquid nitrogen, used for serious overclocking. That board is enough for a 7700k

[xXAXONXx]

7 minutes ago, Ryuikko said:

It's just stands for liquid nitrogen, used for serious overclocking. That board is enough for a 7700k

so i wont have any issue with i7 6700k msi z170a g-45 gaming motherboard 32 gb ddr4 2666mhz bus ram in dual channel hyper x fury black (2 of 16 gb) and gtx 1070 g1 gaming 8 gb gddr5 gigabyte?

[xXAXONXx]

9 minutes ago, Ryuikko said:

It's just stands for liquid nitrogen, used for serious overclocking. That board is enough for a 7700k

the timings are in my other post please check it and tell me if is good for bad :s

 

 

 

[RONOTHAN##]

20 minutes ago, xXAXONXx said:

whats ln2

Liquid nitrogen, used for overclocking world record level benchmark scores, not daily use. 

[tormentriddenband]

The h81m will take the i7-4790k, either with a bios update or installing windows 10 while using a non k version chip installed first. I just put the chip in my Asus h81m-c board this week. 

 

Someone suggested going with the non k version. I don't know why, the k version has 13% better heat spread so it doesn't overheat as much. It also has a base clock of 4. Non k version is 3.6 .. so even if you "cannot overclock" it

 (you can, there is an old bios download you can use, or windows 10 let's you to a small degree.. up to 4.5 on that board, up to 4.8 on z97 boards) 

 

I ran a stress test on the 4790k (non overclocked) with 1 case fan and the stock intel i5 heatsink. 

It hit 100c on 3 cores at 48% load.

 

The chip is safe to hit (but not maintain) 105c, windows 10 slows the processor if it hits 100c. Safe range is considered under 90c. 

 

my case is not big enough to handle some of the really large air heat sinks.. and I do not want to do liquid Incase a pump leaks down the road.. this computer will be holding very important content..

 

I have seen videos about taking the chip apart and applying liquid metal inside of it somewhere because it doesn't disburse heat enough.. these people saw 9- 12c lower tempe.

There is a tool on eBay and Amazon, even some computer stores to take apart the k chips.

I have a regular i7-4790 chip being sent to me right now as a back up, to have my computer run while I take my i7-4790k chip apart to mod. 

 

 

[ApolloX75]

8 hours ago, tormentriddenband said:

The h81m will take the i7-4790k, either with a bios update or installing windows 10 while using a non k version chip installed first. I just put the chip in my Asus h81m-c board this week. 

 

Someone suggested going with the non k version. I don't know why, the k version has 13% better heat spread so it doesn't overheat as much. It also has a base clock of 4. Non k version is 3.6 .. so even if you "cannot overclock" it

 (you can, there is an old bios download you can use, or windows 10 let's you to a small degree.. up to 4.5 on that board, up to 4.8 on z97 boards) 

 

I ran a stress test on the 4790k (non overclocked) with 1 case fan and the stock intel i5 heatsink. 

It hit 100c on 3 cores at 48% load.

 

The chip is safe to hit (but not maintain) 105c, windows 10 slows the processor if it hits 100c. Safe range is considered under 90c. 

 

my case is not big enough to handle some of the really large air heat sinks.. and I do not want to do liquid Incase a pump leaks down the road.. this computer will be holding very important content..

 

I have seen videos about taking the chip apart and applying liquid metal inside of it somewhere because it doesn't disburse heat enough.. these people saw 9- 12c lower tempe.

There is a tool on eBay and Amazon, even some computer stores to take apart the k chips.

I have a regular i7-4790 chip being sent to me right now as a back up, to have my computer run while I take my i7-4790k chip apart to mod. 

 

 

H81M will take the 4790k, yes, with a BIOS update if it hasn't been updated already, yes. Windows 10 has nothing to do with the board running or not running a Devil's Canyon chip. It's completely up to the manufacturer of the board providing a microcode update or not.

 

Non K versions typically run much cooler. Lower TDP = lower heat output. That's it. There's no "13% better heat spread" with Haswell or any other Intel chip that used TIM between the die and the heatspreader. They're all crap and they're all random.

 

Not surprised you saw 100C with an i5 stock cooler. 4790Ks never ran very cool even with a tower cooler let alone the crap Intel stock coolers. I had to cool my chips with water for stock long term operation to keep them comfortable, not to mention when overclocking. Just because it can run at 100C... doesn't mean it should.

 

I've delidded a lot of Haswell chips. Worth it? Eh, not really in the long run. It drops temps a bit, but then you've got to worry about whatever paste or liquid metal you used. And it's only really useful if you're overclocking and playing with it. I wouldn't do it to a daily driver CPU unless it had serious thermal issues.

 

 

[thekingofmonks]

On 8/28/2022 at 8:11 AM, Mick Naughty said:

Given a quick glance, I'd say the cpu isnt gonna be oc'ing well. But at the same time, the rest of the rig may not be able to keep up either. Ran higher end asus boards with mine and should be going for cheap just may not be alot in the area. If you havent got the cpu already, I'd save some money and get a non k variant or even a 4770.

H81 does not support overclocking for unlocked chips natively

[Mister Woof]

Is there a specific reason to buy this stuff? Would be better probably to get some budget current hardware

[Mick Naughty]

6 hours ago, thekingofmonks said:

H81 does not support overclocking for unlocked chips natively

Which ties back into my suggestion. Doesnt matter what the board can do at that point if it still too weak to matter.

[SteveGrabowski0]

6 hours ago, thekingofmonks said:

H81 does not support overclocking for unlocked chips natively

Some of them will do it though. I had a Gigabyte GA-H81M-DS2V that could run my Pentium G3258 at 4.3 GHz before I went out an bought a real gaming cpu.