Is there any need for greater than a 5600x for gaming?

[Dexta211]

Hi there,

 

Thread title is basically the question.

 

I bought the components for my PC about a month before 5000 series Ryzen were released, as such I bought a 3600X. I bought a good board, and decided I would just upgrade the CPU later. Now is that time! I'm looking at either the 5600X or the 5800X. But my question is, for gaming and general admin work - is there any need for a Ryzen 7 over the Ryzen 5? Its paired with an RTX 2060, and will look to upgrade that once the 40 series is out.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Stewart.

[Motifator]

3600X is still a workable CPU, I ran WZ for a while with my 3600... CPU time / performance wasn't lacking at all with that rig, compared to my 3900X which works at 4425 all core. You're probably not looking for any massive gains with the 5600 or even the 5800 thereof - as far as gaming goes anyway. Might be worth waiting for the said X3D cache versions of those CPUs...

as for the 4000 series, they're getting delayed. RX 7000 I'd look at.

[dizmo]

I'd just hold off for now, see what the next line of CPUs brings. They're right around the corner.

5 minutes ago, Motifator said:

3600X is still a workable CPU, I ran WZ for a while with my 3600... CPU time / performance wasn't lacking at all with that rig, compared to my 3900X which works at 4425 all core. You're probably not looking for any massive gains with the 5600 or even the 5800 thereof - as far as gaming goes anyway. Might be worth waiting for the said X3D cache versions of those CPUs...

as for the 4000 series, they're getting delayed. RX 7000 I'd look at.

Haha, if their drivers are slightly iffy on current designs, I can only imagine what a new design will do.

I'd avoid at all costs, unless you're willing to pay early adopter and be a guinea pig.

[Motifator]

2 minutes ago, dizmo said:

Haha, if their drivers are slightly iffy on current designs, I can only imagine what a new design will do.

I'd avoid at all costs, unless you're willing to pay early adopter and be a guinea pig.

How about you list some of these so called issues? I don't know, all I'm hearing from you is AMD this doesn't work, AMD that doesn't function properly.

[porina]

While 5600X will be a bit of an upgrade, IMO it isn't enough in itself to be worth the effort and risk of doing. CPU heavy games are still relatively rare but going up to an 8 core will probably be all you need for the rest of the life of that platform. 5800X is not a need by any means, but at least it'll give a bigger jump from a 3600X.

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2 hours ago, Dexta211 said:

Hi there,

 

Thread title is basically the question.

 

I bought the components for my PC about a month before 5000 series Ryzen were released, as such I bought a 3600X. I bought a good board, and decided I would just upgrade the CPU later. Now is that time! I'm looking at either the 5600X or the 5800X. But my question is, for gaming and general admin work - is there any need for a Ryzen 7 over the Ryzen 5? Its paired with an RTX 2060, and will look to upgrade that once the 40 series is out.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

Stewart.

If you can afford a 5800X (X3D) then maybe a 5900X would be a better purchase. 

One reason is the 5900X is actually easier to cool because it has it's cores split across 2 Core complexes (CCX) where the 5800X has 8 cores on one complex and is just harder to cool as a result. The other reason is threads. You'll have plenty for a long time. 

One game my son likes to play is Beam NG Drive. Each AI car spawned uses a thread. With his current 2700X, he can spawn 12 AI cars before he starts getting lag issues. The rest of the cores are used for the game engine and his background stuff. 

 

So budget, cooling capability and awareness and need of use. 5600X is great. But will have some limitation because there are some triple A titles that use 16 threads or more. If you don't play those particular games, save the money with a 5600X and it will be easier to cool than the larger chips.

[Intelfreak]

My advice would be to wait for the possible rumored 3d model like the 5800X3D. Rumors saying a 5600X3D might come as well.

 

Either way I would wait a few months more. Cause when the maybe 3d models arive and off cause zen 4. I think there will be a good chance of the none 3d models will get a price cut and also give you a chance for getting a cheaper used cpu. As some people will ditch there 5600X and 5800X for a 3d model or zen 4. There are all ways some people that just want the newest stuff amd that could benefit you, if you can wait with upgrade. 

 

Else I would say a 5600X will keep you going for a while. However if you are planning to have your current setup for many years to come. I would suggest considering a 8 core cpu for better future profing. As times go on, games will need more cores to run well.

 

There are also a 5600 none x that are a but cheaper. But seing the price difference over the 5600X and clock differences. Its hardly worth saving a few bucks over 5600X and get 5600. Stay away from 5500 I will say. It's a apu cpu with built-in gpu disabled and only haft the cashe of 5600X meaning a significant reduction of gaming performance and only pcie gen 3 support. 

[SteveGrabowski0]

Are you playing hard to run games on a 144Hz panel with a gpu that can keep up at that framerate? If so a 5800x3D could be a pretty big upgrade, provided your board is good enough to run it full power without throttling. Techpowerup has it 50% faster than a 3600x at 720p with a 3080 in their testsuite, and 5600x as about 28% faster than 3600x at 720p. As you can see below the 5800x3D barely trails the i9-12900ks at 720p to force the games to be as cpu bound as possible.

 

The 5600x is quite a bit faster than the 3700x which is basically what's in the XBox Series and PS5 (though lower clocked on the consoles), so if you're targeting 60 fps I find it really hard to believe the 5600x won't last you the entire console gen. The 3600x might be enough since it can run Cyberpunk at 60 fps with high settings, but with the same IPC as the 3700x and 2 cores / 4 threads fewer it might start struggling a little at the end of the console gen despite having better clocks.

 

5600x is also $175 right now on newegg. If you can sell your 3600x for a decent price might not be too bad of an upgrade to do either the 5600x if targeting 60 fps or the 5800x3D if targeting 144 fps paired with a gpu that can handle that kind of framerate at your target resolution.

 

Don't buy 5800x though, 5800x3D is the way to go for high end gaming on Ryzen.

 

[xg32]

it depends on the gpu you get, the price of said gpu and the games you play, can't really answer that without concrete benchmarks.

 

What i definitely won't do is buy anything before the gpu is released.

[Dexta211]

Thanks for the replies! Lots to think about then!

[unc0nnected]

As a game developer, a game and an owner of a machine with a 5600x, a 5700x and a 5900x I can tell you the 5600x is by far the best bang for your buck given how game engines work(with the exception of Frostbite and 1-2 others that are very well optimized for more than 4 cores).  With 90% of games single core clock speed, especially boost speed, is going to be the greatest determining factor for performance, assuming 4 cores, anymore and you'll see almost no benefits or diminishing returns.   That being said I believe the 5900x boosts up to 4.95Ghz while the 5600x boosts to 4.65 so if money is no object then sure the 5900x might eek out a few more frames here.  Would you ever notice this in any meaningful way over the course of a day of gaming?  Probably not, much better to put that $100-$200 price difference into a better GPU than a GPU.

[freeagent]

If you can tune, the 5600X will boost to 4850, and the 5900X will boost to 5150. The 5600X is a solid CPU, and it is super easy to cool, so you can have a nice quiet system.