Ryzen 7 5800X Cooler

[Boylo124]

So I’m upgrading to a ryzen 7 5800x and I am wondering if a MasterLiquid ML120L V2 RGB would be good enough. Here's the link https://www.coolermaster.com/au/en-au/catalog/coolers/cpu-liquid-coolers/masterliquid-ml120l-v2-rgb/

[mariushm]

Yes, it's good enough ... jesus, it's a 105w TDP cpu, and the cooler is rated for 180w TDP ... 

[bmx6454]

120mm rad for a 5800x isn't a good choice imo. i would go for a 280mm, or at least a 240mm. plenty of air coolers on the market that would out perform a 120mm as well.

[Boylo124]

I just see a lot of people like above think its to small or like you good enough, but i guess worst comes to worst i can get a better cooler after

[glenalz81]

1 minute ago, Boylo124 said:

I just see a lot of people like above think its to small or like you good enough, but i guess worst comes to worst i can get a better cooler after

If you want the best from your 5800X then you'll need a better cooler than the ML120.

[Boylo124]

i'll just get it then if it's to hot ill try underclocking for a while then get a better case (my case https://www.coolermaster.com/au/en-au/catalog/cases/mid-tower/masterbox-lite-5-argb/#overview ) so I can fit a bigger rad

[RONOTHAN##]

4 minutes ago, Boylo124 said:

i'll just get it then if it's to hot ill try underclocking for a while then get a better case (my case https://www.coolermaster.com/au/en-au/catalog/cases/mid-tower/masterbox-lite-5-argb/#overview ) so I can fit a bigger rad

You're better off just buying a dual tower air cooler for about $50-60 US (so whatever that is in AUD). The Scythe Fuma 2 is a great option, the Thermalright Peerless Assassin is slightly worse for a bit cheaper, and for the most part will perform similarly to 240mm AIOs while costing much less. Plus one of those should fit in that case without issue.

[Tegneren]

1 hour ago, bmx6454 said:

120mm rad for a 5800x isn't a good choice imo. i would go for a 280mm, or at least a 240mm. plenty of air coolers on the market that would out perform a 120mm as well.

A 120mm AIO are never a good choice, unless thats the only thing that can fit. You can get a lot cheaper air coolers that performs just as good or better, without the negative sides of water cooling.

1 hour ago, Boylo124 said:

So I’m upgrading to a ryzen 7 5800x and I am wondering if a MasterLiquid ML120L V2 RGB would be good enough. 

The 5800X runs quite hot. So as others has said get a 240/280 AIO or a good air cooler. I'm using a Cooler Master MasterAir MA620M on my 5800X, and with som tweaking I have it running at 4,5-4,6 GHz all core and 90C max during Cinebench. It also boosts to 4,9-4,95 single core.

[Chris Pratt]

3 hours ago, mariushm said:

Yes, it's good enough ... jesus, it's a 105w TDP cpu, and the cooler is rated for 180w TDP ... 

TDP doesn't mean anything. AMD famously has a formula for calculating TDP that doesn't even include power. Even then, Intel calculates TDP differently than AMD, and differently still from cooler manufacturers. There's no industry standard. More to the point, a 5800X can actually draw up to around 190W fully loaded.

[Chris Pratt]

A 120mm rad of any sort is worse than a single tower cooler in performance. Get a bigger rad or just go with a good single tower air cooler.

[mariushm]

8 minutes ago, Chris Pratt said:

TDP doesn't mean anything. AMD famously has a formula for calculating TDP that doesn't even include power. Even then, Intel calculates TDP differently than AMD, and differently still from cooler manufacturers. There's no industry standard. More to the point, a 5800X can actually draw up to around 190W fully loaded.

Maybe with nitrogen and sub-zero temperatures and overclocking. Otherwise no, it peaks at around 140 watts or so. 

The 5950x peaks with 16 cores and better binning peaks at around 160 watts 

 

You probably saw a benchmark the measures SYSTEM power (measured at the AC socket, including efficiency losses in power supply and motherboard / ram power consumption)

 

See https://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU-2020/2734

 

From review here : https://www.anandtech.com/show/16214/amd-zen-3-ryzen-deep-dive-review-5950x-5900x-5800x-and-5700x-tested

 

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For AMD’s new Ryzen 5000 processors, most of them have a 105 W TDP, with a Package Power Tracking (PPT) setting of 142 W. For these processors, we can see our peak power consumption through our testing matching that value. For the sole 65 W processor, the PPT value is 88 W, and we’re seeing only 76 W, showing some of the efficiencies on the Ryzen 5 5600X.

 

Tom's Hardware  got  112 / 120 w (with PBO) in y-cruncher , and 120w in Handbrake : https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-5800x-zen-3-review/3

 

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Notably, AMD's decision to stick with the AM4 socket still constrains its maximum power consumption to 142W, which means that it could not increase power consumption for the new flagship models. However, Zen 3's IPC gains allow the Ryzen 5000 chips to stay within the same TDP thermal and electrical ranges as the Ryzen 3000 series CPUs while delivering more performance.  

 

As such, the 105W Ryzen 7 5800X must adhere to the same 142W PPT limit as its 105W predecessor. As you can see in the y-cruncher threaded benchmark results, the Ryzen 7 5800X consumes a peak of 112 watts at stock settings in this heavy AVX workload, which is much higher than the previous-gen Ryzen 7 3800XT. We also see more power consumption during the HandBrake and Blender runs, but the deltas aren't as pronounced in these heavily-threaded workloads.

 

 

 

 

[Chris Pratt]

7 minutes ago, mariushm said:

Maybe with nitrogen and sub-zero temperatures and overclocking. Otherwise no, it peaks at around 140 watts or so. 

The 5950x peaks with 16 cores and better binning peaks at around 160 watts 

 

You probably saw a benchmark the measures SYSTEM power (measured at the AC socket, including efficiency losses in power supply and motherboard / ram power consumption)

 

See https://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU-2020/2734

 

From review here : https://www.anandtech.com/show/16214/amd-zen-3-ryzen-deep-dive-review-5950x-5900x-5800x-and-5700x-tested

 

 

Tom's Hardware  got  112 / 120 w (with PBO) in y-cruncher , and 120w in Handbrake : https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-7-5800x-zen-3-review/3

 

 

 

 

 

Nope. I don't have first hand experience with the 5800X, but I've pulled over 220W package with my 5900X, without doing anything crazy/exotic. 190W for a 5800X would not be extraordinary. As I said, it needs to be fully loaded, though. Anything showing lower numbers may be more generally realistic, but isn't pushing it as far as it can go.

 

In any case, you still can't use TDP numbers to determine what cooler is sufficient. There's no correlation whatsoever.

[mariushm]

2 minutes ago, Chris Pratt said:

Nope. I don't have first hand experience with the 5800X, but I've pulled over 220W package with my 5900X, without doing anything crazy/exotic. 190W for a 5800X would not be extraordinary. As I said, it needs to be fully loaded, though. Anything showing lower numbers may be more generally realistic, but isn't pushing it as far as it can go.

 

In any case, you still can't use TDP numbers to determine what cooler is sufficient. There's no correlation whatsoever.

I have a 5800x - I'll fully load it when I get home just to prove it to you. No, you shouldn't get more than 140 watts except if you're overclocking.