Could something like this work? (packing this much in such a small case)

[Vectoras]

Budget (including currency): £ 2500 - but this is concept only, possibly a build at some point

Country: UK

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for: gaming

 

Would it be possible to put a 5900X and a powerful GPU (3060Ti) in such a small case and have it decently cooled ?

What better parts would you recommend given my almost blind choices?

 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/tpwMqp

[jaslion]

Yes but I'd recommend a nr200p max with the aio and all already in it. It's the better case here similar size too. That cooler isn't really capable of cooling a 5900x but then again for gaming a 5600x is more than enough too.

 

The main issue with this case is that it's harder to install fans for ventilation and half the side is obstructed so you can't get fresh air to the cpu cooler only already heated one from the gpu or fresh from the top if you go for a weird airflow pattern.

 

So to answer your question. Yes it can totally work but I would change to case for a better one that has a far better cooler.

[mariushm]

Go with a B550 ITX board, you'll save money, get more efficient VRM for CPU and you'll have less heat produced by the chipset. 

Ex: B550I Aorus Pro AX is 160 pounds ... so you save 100 pounds and get same performance if not more ... as you also get 2.5gbps ethernet, 3 video outputs should you go in the future with some integrated graphics cpu : https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/9pn8TW/gigabyte-b550i-aorus-pro-ax-mini-itx-am4-motherboard-b550i-aorus-pro-ax

 

You still get pci-e 4.0 for the video card and m.2 directly from cpu.

 

make sure the case accepts video card that's that long ... the card itself is not *that* hot or power hungry 

 

Also the case accepts SFX power supplies and ATX power supplies as long as they're maximum 160 mm - keep that in mind... rm 2019 is exactly 160mm deep/long

 

The CPU will consume up to around 100-120 watts , the 3060 ti will go up to around 230 watts (peaks, more like 200w average) .. The 32 GB will consume around 20w .. the mobo around 10-15w ... so you're looking at around 250 (vga) + 150 (cpu+mobo) + 50w (rest) = 450w  power consumption, making a 650w psu more than enough. 

 

You could spend 5 pounds more than the 100 pounds you'd pay for Corsair 850w and go with a 760w PLATINUM efficiency and also smaller psu size at 150mm depth : https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/fdXYcf/fractal-design-ion-760-w-80-platinum-certified-fully-modular-at-power-supply-fd-psu-ionp-760p-bk

 

So you get a slightly cooler psu and more efficient one.

other ok option Corsair SF750 platinum at 108 pounds : https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/nJrmP6/corsair-750-w-80-platinum-certified-fully-modular-sfx-power-supply-cp-9020186-na

 

Crucial P2 1 TB?  Nah, that's QLC .. slow and low endurance ... go for something better, ex WD SN550 , WD SN750, or other models 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/BhmFf7/western-digital-blue-sn550-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds100t2b0c

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/P8Z9TW/western-digital-wd_black-sn750-se-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds100t1b0e

 

 

 

 

[Vectoras]

40 minutes ago, jaslion said:

Yes but I'd recommend a nr200p max with the aio and all already in it. It's the better case here similar size too. That cooler isn't really capable of cooling a 5900x but then again for gaming a 5600x is more than enough too.

 

The main issue with this case is that it's harder to install fans for ventilation and half the side is obstructed so you can't get fresh air to the cpu cooler only already heated one from the gpu or fresh from the top if you go for a weird airflow pattern.

 

So to answer your question. Yes it can totally work but I would change to case for a better one that has a far better cooler.

Hi, thanks for taking the time to answer.

 

That case you suggested is so beautiful indeed. The already fitted things add to it being very a very attractive option.

This being a concept, I am going to go forward to ask how would things change if an aio would be used on the Q58 case?

[jaslion]

2 minutes ago, Vectoras said:

Hi, thanks for taking the time to answer.

 

That case you suggested is so beautiful indeed. The already fitted things add to it being very a very attractive option.

This being a concept, I am going to go forward to ask how would things change if an aio would be used on the Q58 case?

It would be a worse more expensive nr200p basically. Not really much else to say about it.

[Vectoras]

47 minutes ago, mariushm said:

Go with a B550 ITX board, you'll save money, get more efficient VRM for CPU and you'll have less heat produced by the chipset. 

Ex: B550I Aorus Pro AX is 160 pounds ... so you save 100 pounds and get same performance if not more ... as you also get 2.5gbps ethernet, 3 video outputs should you go in the future with some integrated graphics cpu : https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/9pn8TW/gigabyte-b550i-aorus-pro-ax-mini-itx-am4-motherboard-b550i-aorus-pro-ax

 

You still get pci-e 4.0 for the video card and m.2 directly from cpu.

 

make sure the case accepts video card that's that long ... the card itself is not *that* hot or power hungry 

 

Also the case accepts SFX power supplies and ATX power supplies as long as they're maximum 160 mm - keep that in mind... rm 2019 is exactly 160mm deep/long

 

The CPU will consume up to around 100-120 watts , the 3060 ti will go up to around 230 watts (peaks, more like 200w average) .. The 32 GB will consume around 20w .. the mobo around 10-15w ... so you're looking at around 250 (vga) + 150 (cpu+mobo) + 50w (rest) = 450w  power consumption, making a 650w psu more than enough. 

 

You could spend 5 pounds more than the 100 pounds you'd pay for Corsair 850w and go with a 760w PLATINUM efficiency and also smaller psu size at 150mm depth : https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/fdXYcf/fractal-design-ion-760-w-80-platinum-certified-fully-modular-at-power-supply-fd-psu-ionp-760p-bk

 

So you get a slightly cooler psu and more efficient one.

other ok option Corsair SF750 platinum at 108 pounds : https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/nJrmP6/corsair-750-w-80-platinum-certified-fully-modular-sfx-power-supply-cp-9020186-na

 

Crucial P2 1 TB?  Nah, that's QLC .. slow and low endurance ... go for something better, ex WD SN550 , WD SN750, or other models 

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/BhmFf7/western-digital-blue-sn550-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds100t2b0c

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/product/P8Z9TW/western-digital-wd_black-sn750-se-1-tb-m2-2280-nvme-solid-state-drive-wds100t1b0e

 

 

 

 

Big thank you for giving such an extensive response. I would definitely go with your suggestions in terms of PSU and SSD if I would be to build this right now. The motherboard suggestion is also very attractive especially because you have said about more efficient VRMs.

[mariushm]

Yeah, here's some more details about the VRMs..

 

The Asus X570i  uses a 4 phase VRM and parallels 2 power stages on each phase, so you have 8  x TDA21472  70A power stages - so 8 x 70A =  590A peak current

The Gigabyte B550i Aorus Pro AX uses 6 phases for the CPU and only one power stage per phase, so you have 6 x ISL99390 90A power stages - 6 x 90A = 540A peak current 

 

The peak current is lower , but the peak is kinda irrelevant, it's like saying a 3W flashlight led can do 10W for a second before it blows up - those peak values are only achievable with very big coolers and the chips would be super inefficient at such high currents - you wouldn't use them at more than let's say 50A (for the 70A power stages) or 75A (for the 90A power stages)

 

Either way, you're looking at maybe 200A peaks (ex 160 watts pulled at 1.2v = ~135A for a 5950x) so already capacity wise, the VRMs are at least 2-3 times more powerful than absolute maximum required.

 

6 power stages is better than 8 power stages ( 4 groups of 2 in parallel) in this case, because each power stage has a higher load on it, so it's closer to the sweetspot when it comes to efficiency. 

In theory, having 6 phases is also better than 4 phases (smoother voltage to cpu, better overclocking potential) but in practice, Asus is very good at tuning and tweaking their 4 phase controllers and using pairs of power stages to achieve very good performance, so can't really say the Gigabyte board would offer better OC. 

 

But anyway, at the end of the day, you really can't argue with the price difference.. 160-180 pounds vs 260 pounds for the Asus, and you get a superior product in my opinion  (you lose the pci-e 4.0 lanes going to second m.2 connector, but you still have pci-e 3.0 lanes, and you also get better onboard network)

 

If you're curious and want to read more about the Gigabyte board, there's a review here : https://www.techpowerup.com/review/gigabyte-b550i-aorus-pro-ax/