Alder Lake CPU questions

[Mister Woof]

9 minutes ago, QuantumSingularity said:

I admit i haven't done any OC tests in the last year, simply because of the GPU shortage. No need to stress people's CPUs further when their 1060 i struggling to keep up with their stock 5600X.

eh it's all academic at this point. All of the CPUs on that list, sans 1st/2nd gen Ryzen, are going to give you a relatively similar experience so long as you shut off the FPS counter. And play at a realistic resolution like 1440p, it's going to be even less perceptible. 

 

But generally speaking, over the last several years, overclocking on Intel is more accessible and gains are more tangible. However, Alder Lake OC results are still not yet determined.

 

Optimum Tech did a minor OC section, and didn't seem too impressed, though.

 

Leo over at Kitguru saw some significant gains from OC:

 

 

[xg32]

34 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

In most scenarios, AMD gains almost nothing in games from OC. Sometimes losing, especially if it's an all-core OC (lowers single core opportunistic boosting, which is helpful for games). Usually, if there's any gains, it's going to be with PBO. And as shown above, it's minimal.

 

The 10900k for example gained over 3x more from a modest OC than the 5800x with PBO. (10900K 11.5%, 5800x 3.5%)

 

The 10700k gained 14%, and the 10600K gained even more, close to 17% from OC.

 

Of course, that's skylake. Alderlake may be different. 

think we'll have to hope for GN to do a super tune with uneven power draw, the 12600kf maxed out is gonna be real interesting, some ddr5 kits arent even available yet.

 

I'm now running HT off at 5.2, thanks for reminding me. 150w 80C max spikes, lost ark is smooth as butter.

[Mister Woof]

8 minutes ago, xg32 said:

think we'll have to hope for GN to do a super tune with uneven power draw, the 12600kf maxed out is gonna be real interesting, some ddr5 kits arent even available yet.

 

I'm now running HT off at 5.2, thanks for reminding me. 150w 80C max spikes, lost ark is smooth as butter.

Man I want to play that one. Buddy is playing the closed beta rn but it seems its official release keeps getting delayed

[BotDamian]

Could windows11 and Linux run on the efficient cores and programs would use only the performance cores?

I honestly think that the small cores are more than enough for a good experience on windows. That would make the whole system extremely efficient and powerful.

[QuantumSingularity]

And also i'm not sure how much of this 12600K performance is down to the CPU and how much to the platform change to DDR5, since basically every test against Ryzen is ran with DDR5 on intel VS DDR4 on Ryzen. The only video i managed to find a comparison between 5600X and 12600K with the same RAM is this one below where the guy didn't turn down the settings and let the GPU be the bottleneck in the test, thus bringing the expected identical avg FPS, but it really gets interesting when we get to 1% and 0.1% LOW where the 12600K basically bows down to the 5600 in almost every game. GN also noticed something similar in their tests with DDR5.

 

 

[YoungBlade]

39 minutes ago, QuantumSingularity said:

And also i'm not sure how much of this 12600K performance is down to the CPU and how much to the platform change to DDR5, since basically every test against Ryzen is ran with DDR5 on intel VS DDR4 on Ryzen. The only video i managed to find a comparison between 5600X and 12600K with the same RAM is this one below where the guy didn't turn down the settings and let the GPU be the bottleneck in the test, thus bringing the expected identical avg FPS, but it really gets interesting when we get to 1% and 0.1% LOW where the 12600K basically bows down to the 5600 in almost every game. GN also noticed something similar in their tests with DDR5.

Hardware Unboxed used identical DDR4 for both and didn't see those kinds of issues with 1% lows on Intel

 

[DarkSmith2]

7 hours ago, QuantumSingularity said:

And also i'm not sure how much of this 12600K performance is down to the CPU and how much to the platform change to DDR5, since basically every test against Ryzen is ran with DDR5 on intel VS DDR4 on Ryzen. The only video i managed to find a comparison between 5600X and 12600K with the same RAM is this one below where the guy didn't turn down the settings and let the GPU be the bottleneck in the test, thus bringing the expected identical avg FPS, but it really gets interesting when we get to 1% and 0.1% LOW where the 12600K basically bows down to the 5600 in almost every game. GN also noticed something similar in their tests with DDR5.

 

 

this video is complete fake, you realize ye?

[DarkSmith2]

with real cpu bound gaming, and the right tuning/oc fps gains of alderlake seem pretty huge.. over 30% more fps in some titles, abnormal higher %lows. Very nice CPU for 1080p competitive gaming and probably not beatable by zen3D in that scenario. Its also lifting the Driver Overhead of Nvidia GPUs in Dx12 Games.

 

[Mister Woof]

48 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

with real cpu bound gaming, and the right tuning/oc fps gains of alderlake seem pretty huge.. over 30% more fps in some titles, abnormal higher %lows. Very nice CPU for 1080p competitive gaming and probably not beatable by zen3D in that scenario. Its also lifting the Driver Overhead of Nvidia GPUs in Dx12 Games.

 

10900K still got the chops, lol

[DarkSmith2]

52 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

10900K still got the chops, lol

if found it impressive that the 12900k at 5.2GHz with ddr4 4000 cl14 is beating the 10900k at 5.3GHz with ddr4 4533 CL15 actually.

[Mister Woof]

38 minutes ago, DarkSmith2 said:

if found it impressive that the 12900k at 5.2GHz with ddr4 4000 cl14 is beating the 10900k at 5.3GHz with ddr4 4533 CL15 actually.

It's good but IMO not unexpected. The 10900k is still pretty strong even being 2 years old. It's even more interesting that it's basically the same tech from 2015.

[QuantumSingularity]

Well, one thing is for sure - the competition lines up to be pretty heated. The price of the 12600k looks really tempting, but the mobos for it start at $200 and probably won't drop down anytime soon (if at all). 5600X can sit quite happily in less than $100 B550 Mobo and perform at max. AMD still have the bang-4-buck upper hand as a platform which in the current conditions is probably the most important thing. Everyone tries to scoop every single available dollar for a new GPU. 

[Mister Woof]

13 minutes ago, QuantumSingularity said:

Well, one thing is for sure - the competition lines up to be pretty heated. The price of the 12600k looks really tempting, but the mobos for it start at $200 and probably won't drop down anytime soon (if at all). 5600X can sit quite happily in less than $100 B550 Mobo and perform at max. AMD still have the bang-4-buck upper hand as a platform which in the current conditions is probably the most important thing. Everyone tries to scoop every single available dollar for a new GPU. 

I think someone already mentioned it here, but if you have any of the current gen CPUs (or even Zen2 or better) you won't really feel limited in most use cases.