Watchogs PC Version Trailer!! (Nvidia features)

[qwertywarrior]

Oh, in that case I see why you would want to turn those settings off. I almost feel bad for your graphics card, having that kind of workload.

turn on BF3

all of vram taken 

anyways i really cant tell the difference between medium and ultra

[rashdanml]

Despite the crap Ubisoft gets for "milking" Assassin's Creed (and I wholeheartedly disagree with the usage of the word in this scenario), they always do a fantastic job with creating outstanding (and authentic) environments. 

 

I do plan on buying/pre-ordering it for the PC. 

[Whiskers]

Threatened by consoles gamers? No, I couldn't care less. Threatened by the direction that game developers are heading due to the rapid adoption rate of consoles? Yes, absolutely. It is a fact that console gamers out number pc gamers. It is also fact that the average console gamer often buys games not because it is a good game deserving of the money, but because their friends bought it and they don't want to be left out. Developers are losing interest in pc gamers, we are too picky and too few in comparison to the console masses. This then brings up the question 'Why bother with the additional funding required for optimizing games for PCs?' Because consoles are more profitable there is less innovation for PC gamers and we get shitty ports. THAT is why the comparison is necessary, to make sure development isn't being stagnated by consoles. When there are games that look identical on consoles and PCs then you should be scared for the future of gaming. Overkill graphics on current PCs give future consoles something to shoot for.

I think developers tend to lose interest in us PC gamers because we're infamously difficult to please. Our hardware is also much more frustrating to develop for and we're not as directly profitable a market as the console crowd. And as a result of our diversification in regard to social communication, hardware types, peripherals that we use and many other things that also makes it a lot more challenging to provide the PC market with an excellent gaming experience in a game.

Also, the idea that PC game development can be 'stagnated' by the presence of consoles is absurd. If you have a look back in time you'll notice that the periods of biggest advancements in PC hardware and gaming titles have been in the first few years of a new generation of consoles being released. In 2003 to 2005 our hardware was pretty laughably poor in comparison to what it could have been, evidenced by the fact that the Xbox 360's CPU was somewhat more powerful than an Intel Pentium 4 Extreme Edition CPU from only around a year earlier which cost $999 to purchase.

Challenge is good. It leads to innovation and improvement. A lack of challenge is terrible, it leads to stagnation and sterility.

[Me1z]

Also, the idea that PC game development can be 'stagnated' by the presence of consoles is absurd. If you have a look back in time you'll notice that the periods of biggest advancements in PC hardware and gaming titles have been in the first few years of a new generation of consoles being released. In 2003 to 2005 our hardware was pretty laughably poor in comparison to what it could have been, evidenced by the fact that the Xbox 360's CPU was somewhat more powerful than an Intel Pentium 4 Extreme Edition CPU from only around a year earlier which cost $999 to purchase.

Challenge is good. It leads to innovation and improvement. A lack of challenge is terrible, it leads to stagnation and sterility.

 

How is it absurd, if like you said, the biggest advancements in PC hardware and gaming titles have been in the first few years of a new generation of consoles being released? New console -> better games because of new console hardware -> better PC hardware to stay ahead of more demanding games. After the first few years most of the console's potential has been discovered and game advancements plateau due to hardware limits (Which is how they push the next gen consoles). This prevents games from advancing for better hardware, because the games still need to be compatible with the aging consoles. This translates into less PC hardware improvements.

 

Xbox360 release -> DX10 gpus and DX11 gpus within the first 5 years. After that nothing but 5 years of software stagnation because consoles were holding back game development. All of a sudden we have the XboxOne and look at that.... DX12 on the horizon because the new console allows for 5 more years of game innovation. Its a cycle and unfortunately consoles are at the heart of it.

[xamon]

With a GTX 570 I'm surprised you need to. My GTX 580 plays BF4 at 1080p 70fps with everything on ultra, meaning I leave 'that crap' on and see no real performance hit. I may not be the best, but at least everything looks pretty when I get my ass handed to me 

 

 

 

Threatened by consoles gamers? No, I couldn't care less. Threatened by the direction that game developers are heading due to the rapid adoption rate of consoles? Yes, absolutely. It is a fact that console gamers out number pc gamers. It is also fact that the average console gamer often buys games not because it is a good game deserving of the money, but because their friends bought it and they don't want to be left out. Developers are losing interest in pc gamers, we are too picky and too few in comparison to the console masses. This then brings up the question 'Why bother with the additional funding required for optimizing games for PCs?' Because consoles are more profitable there is less innovation for PC gamers and we get shitty ports. THAT is why the comparison is necessary, to make sure development isn't being stagnated by consoles. When there are games that look identical on consoles and PCs then you should be scared for the future of gaming. Overkill graphics on current PCs give future consoles something to shoot for.

At one point in time the first part of your argument was true but not anymore. The PC market is again in a revival, pushing a lot of developers to take the PC version of their games as seriously as the console counterpart (and that is a growing trend recently). Bringing up the superiority of the PC the way a lot of PC gamers do, i.e the whole PC master race nonsense, is not beneficial nor does it bring a conversation that is needed to keep devs in check. It is more akin to a child running around showing his new shiny toy in an arrogant way and annoying everyone while doing so. 

We need to have constructive criticism when we bring up the console market or when we talk to develop about our platform and how their games needs to be for our platform. As of now, the way it is brought up brings nothing at all.

[Notional]

Looks amazing, like the first E3 Demo we saw a few years ago. However.. it's all based on blackbox proprietary nvidia stuff? So this will run horribly on an AMD gfx?

Maybe it's just because it is sponsored by nvidia, so they give some marketing fot it. I hope it will handle HDAO or other more AMD friendly tech.

 

I'm really looking forward to this game anyways, even if my 280x might struggle.

[Whiskers]

How is it absurd, if like you said, the biggest advancements in PC hardware and gaming titles have been in the first few years of a new generation of consoles being released? New console -> better games because of new console hardware -> better PC hardware to stay ahead of more demanding games. After the first few years most of the console's potential has been discovered and game advancements plateau due to hardware limits (Which is how they push the next gen consoles). This prevents games from advancing for better hardware, because the games still need to be compatible with the aging consoles. This translates into less PC hardware improvements.

 

Xbox360 release -> DX10 gpus and DX11 gpus within the first 5 years. After that nothing but 5 years of software stagnation because consoles were holding back game development. All of a sudden we have the XboxOne and look at that.... DX12 on the horizon because the new console allows for 5 more years of game innovation. Its a cycle and unfortunately consoles are at the heart of it.

 

You're sort of misunderstanding what I mean, I think. I don't believe that consoles hold PC gaming back, I believe that PC gaming holds itself back.

 

Why do we get console ports? Well, some would say developer laziness... and yeah, that's a fair criticism. But the thing is that developing for the PC is a lot more frustrating and complicated than developing for a console. On a console you have absolute, complete documentation on the capabilities and functions of the device you're working with as well as consistent development tools that 'just work'. On PC you have countless technologies and functions each with their own varied levels of documentation and compatibility, their own costs and hardware requirements or software dependencies and their own significance within the PC gaming community in terms of brand loyalty. You have infinite hardware combinations with their own inclusion or exclusion of aforementioned technologies and functions, each with their own level of raw performance and real-life performance, each with their own significance in terms of market share and each with their own caveats. And to be brutally honest, you also have the PC gamers themselves who think that they know better than the developers and as such criticise every choice they make in developing a game for their platform whereas on the console the criticisms are focused on the game itself and at most which console gets better features or performance.

 

PC gaming is a more powerful and more versatile option for crafting bigger and potentially better gaming experiences. But as a result of that it's also a much more complicated and difficult platform to create games on. In my opinion, that's the cause of any the issues that we have.

[TheProfosist]

Damn its looking good! i might have to play just for the graphics.

[Curemylife]

With a GTX 570 I'm surprised you need to. My GTX 580 plays BF4 at 1080p 70fps with everything on ultra, meaning I leave 'that crap' on and see no real performance hit. I may not be the best, but at least everything looks pretty when I get my ass handed to me 

How..? Dual 680's only pulls of around 100fps (1080p), single 780 about 80-90fps and my total need for unnecessary HW got me to buy an old 580 matrix, but that card only works fairly well on medium and that's while playing on 1650x1050....

[Jayvin]

Death to all GPU's!

[A/C]

why we always gotta hate on them, sure its ten times better and the occasional joke gives a good laugh but we're all gamers in the end so just give it a rest.

 

Are you serious?

 

there will be no Physx here they used a plugin instead or something like that that they have implemented on the engine 

 

Why would you need Physx? An outdated and obsolete technology IMHO.

[Jobobee]

I really hope that Watch_Dogs will be better optimised for PC than AC4 was, and that my 780 Ti will be able to max it @1440p.

[A/C]

I find it sad that some people just need to make the console comparison.

 

Why? Are you threatened? Have a small penis and need to justify your PC expense? Does anyone really care? Thats the kind of childish attitude that makes people hate fanboys. 

 

Yes, consoles won't look as good but guess what? Not every PC will be playing this game like that either. You know why? Not every PC gamer has that kind of hardware. Some PC guys will actually play with worse fidelity. Some will match the consoles. Far less of the market will have the hardware to do that. Its just a fact, no need to get so defensive.

 

So once again, why so bothered? If all you care about is enlarging your e-penis, go get a handful of Quadros and start rendering your own 3D landscapes. I mean, who cares about gameplay you just need something to look drop dead sexy right? Isn't that why we play games? For pretty, pretty lights? 

 

Why so bothered? Because they get every game before the PC. The biggest reason to buy a console is first releases and exclusives - take that away and the customer base would shrink by a half. And I'm not even exaggerating. It's the only reason why gamers need to wait for GTA V and why we don't get some very good games at all because they're "exclusives". Please, what makes consoles so much capable to justify the fact that these games aren't on PC (red dead redempion maybe, bad company 1...)? If not for consoles we'd have 128-player battlefield servers a long time ago, that and countless other things...

 

When bashing consoles I'm not deffensive, I'm offensive, the consoles are the biggest thing that's holding the gaming industry down. They always use outdated and underpowered hardware uncapable of driving the industry forward the way the PC is capable. They're holding back the progress and that's why I hate them. PC's have exclusives, sure, but it's either because they are no compromise games like Star Citizen, which the consoles can't run or indie games which can't get on consoles because they aren't held by a publisher.

 

If gameplay is all everything cares for then why is Crysis and AC such a big hit? I can have good gameplay on a mobile phone game, have loads of fun on it, but Oculus cometh I'll ask you all how you feel about the VR gaming. I don't hate on nintendo consoles, nintendo was and is always dear to me, I love their SNES, N64 and Wii to this day because they are a sort of corpus separatum and I accually find sense in owning a nintendo console. Maybe because we're all suckers for the underdog, maybe because we're nostalgic... I don't know. I don't like PS and XBOX because they pretend they're  something bigger and better then a casual gaming machine. You see, I have no problem with casual gaming. Consoles are perfect for that with their simple controllers and convenient form and a place beneath the TV. But If you want bleeding edge - which we tech enthusiasts do by default, you go to PC, this is mostly an enthusiast forum so I understand why so many people talk and think the way I do now, I'm sure if I went with this to a PS4 forum I'd get bashed fast.

 

It's not about the "e-penis" I don't care about that, it's not about "status", I'm not bothered because most people use them, I'm bothered because they hinder the industry and act monopolistical. I don't need to justify my purchase, this is my 5th PC, I bought a console and only justified its purchase when the GTA V came out. By then it collected dust in the living room, and so it does now after I played GTA V. I feel threatened by the consoles because I see what they are doing to the progress and innovation in the industry. If they updated their hardware more often they could keep up with PC's but then most people would never buy them which wouldn't make the console industry profitable. That's why we love steam - I believe that basically steam is a software console, with all of the convenience of a console but none of the drawbacks, but that's a whole other story for which I don't really have the time right now...

[DeViLzzz]

Oh I LOVE Physx!!!!!!!!!!

I do too.  Nvidia is about playing games the way they were meant to be played.

[ManOfDisguise]

Haha now i feel really sorry for the crap graphics console gamers are gona get

[ForeseenVisionz]

Are you serious?

 

 

Why would you need Physx? An outdated and obsolete technology IMHO.

Yeah I am.  Im talking exactly about people like you. 

[xamon]

Why so bothered? Because they get every game before the PC. The biggest reason to buy a console is first releases and exclusives - take that away and the customer base would shrink by a half. And I'm not even exaggerating. It's the only reason why gamers need to wait for GTA V and why we don't get some very good games at all because they're "exclusives". Please, what makes consoles so much capable to justify the fact that these games aren't on PC (red dead redempion maybe, bad company 1...)? If not for consoles we'd have 128-player battlefield servers a long time ago, that and countless other things...

 

When bashing consoles I'm not deffensive, I'm offensive, the consoles are the biggest thing that's holding the gaming industry down. They always use outdated and underpowered hardware uncapable of driving the industry forward the way the PC is capable. They're holding back the progress and that's why I hate them. PC's have exclusives, sure, but it's either because they are no compromise games like Star Citizen, which the consoles can't run or indie games which can't get on consoles because they aren't held by a publisher.

 

If gameplay is all everything cares for then why is Crysis and AC such a big hit? I can have good gameplay on a mobile phone game, have loads of fun on it, but Oculus cometh I'll ask you all how you feel about the VR gaming. I don't hate on nintendo consoles, nintendo was and is always dear to me, I love their SNES, N64 and Wii to this day because they are a sort of corpus separatum and I accually find sense in owning a nintendo console. Maybe because we're all suckers for the underdog, maybe because we're nostalgic... I don't know. I don't like PS and XBOX because they pretend they're  something bigger and better then a casual gaming machine. You see, I have no problem with casual gaming. Consoles are perfect for that with their simple controllers and convenient form and a place beneath the TV. But If you want bleeding edge - which we tech enthusiasts do by default, you go to PC, this is mostly an enthusiast forum so I understand why so many people talk and think the way I do now, I'm sure if I went with this to a PS4 forum I'd get bashed fast.

 

It's not about the "e-penis" I don't care about that, it's not about "status", I'm not bothered because most people use them, I'm bothered because they hinder the industry and act monopolistical. I don't need to justify my purchase, this is my 5th PC, I bought a console and only justified its purchase when the GTA V came out. By then it collected dust in the living room, and so it does now after I played GTA V. I feel threatened by the consoles because I see what they are doing to the progress and innovation in the industry. If they updated their hardware more often they could keep up with PC's but then most people would never buy them which wouldn't make the console industry profitable. That's why we love steam - I believe that basically steam is a software console, with all of the convenience of a console but none of the drawbacks, but that's a whole other story for which I don't really have the time right now...

First releases and exclusives are not the biggest reason to buy a console. People buy consoles for convenience (plug and play), the ease of use and the price. Exclusive come into play when they have to choose which console to get. Taking away exclusives and first release will not diminish the amount of console gaming. Something like a Steam machine if it end up working perfectly and has a low enough entry price with no issues (i.e automatic drivers update, games work out of the box etc) can move some console gamers to the PC. Publishers creates exclusive because they get into a contract with a console maker. They agree to it because the console maker (Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo), agrees to finance some of the game (or all of it) or give a large sum of money. This reduces the amount of risk that is well known to exist in the AAA market. 

 

Which leads me into my other point. The biggest thing that is holding back progress is the budget at which those games are being developed. Because of those budget, companies needs a large install base and needs to create a game that can appeal to the largest amount of people. Innovation and imaginative new games are curbed to the side due to the risk they can cause in favor of safe and iterative games. Console themselves have nothing to do with it, they are only the platform with the largest installed base. Without the install base of console, we would have never gotten most of the games we have the way they are (AC, Mass effect for example). Companies just would not have invested in them and game developers would have to resort to something like what Star Citizen did, which is to take the risk out of it upfront by having a massive crowd funding,  which is rare (so rare that they are the only one who did it)

 

Crysis and AC are hits beside their graphics only. In the case of AC, one of its biggest attracting point is its gameplay. The PS and Xbox are not casual gaming machine. How casual a gaming machine is is not defined by the fact that they use controllers (guess what some PC gamers use controller exclusively too, its a question of preference, and not I am not saying the controller is empirically superior than the mouse and keyboard), or by the level of graphical fidelity they can push.  The reason why the console market is thriving and getting games first and exclusive is purely business. They have a larger install base, they are known to spend more money on game thus we (being the company) will spend the bulk of our budget attracting them to our game. Now that PC gaming is in a revival, you are seeing companies doing the same thing again on PC, spending more money on their game, making the PC version the best. But again here they are being hindered by the PC market itself.

 

And here is my last point, the PC market is not uniform, we are not all enthusiast nor does every one has the money to be. The majority of PC gamers do not have the means to afford enthusiast grade hardware. Looking at the top gpus used on Steam (the survey has a good enough sample size) most people use sub mid range graphics and close to 47% still have dual core CPUs. In the case where a company would spend its own money to make the game, they would have to take into account those gamers too. I would say that you somewhat hit the nail on the head with this "If they updated their hardware more often they could keep up with PC's but then most people would never buy them which wouldn't make the console industry profitable" but you seems to not understand the consequence if this happens. More hardware update will just separate and create a bigger diversity in the console market just like on the PC. The difference here is that unless those different machines are compatible, some will be release and developer will not support them because there will not be a big enough install base (something similar happened during the gaming crash in the 80s). This will not lead to them flocking to the PC nor make games better, believe me on that.

 

People need to understand that we are not in competition with the console market. The biggest reason we have to wait, have bad ports and the likes was only a business decision. We were not worth it because those companies felt like they would not get a return on their investment. In the past few years though, they saw the worth of the platform and are now working in a way that they can capitalize on it. That is it, its all about money. If the money trail comes exclusively on PC, you will see more game on PC. If that company has to gets more money on console, they will spend more money on their console port, if the PC is their bread maker, they will spend more on the pc. That is it.

[A/C]

 

 

Steam save us!

[Me1z]

How..? Dual 680's only pulls of around 100fps (1080p), single 780 about 80-90fps and my total need for unnecessary HW got me to buy an old 580 matrix, but that card only works fairly well on medium and that's while playing on 1650x1050....

 

I overclocked it to 899mhz and it has an H50 strapped to it to cool it. In BF4 fps peaks at 75 fps and occasionally drops to 59, but normally stays around 68. Something odd I've noticed is that my dual monitors actually helps, I've tested with and without and single monitor usually suffers a 10fps drop. Kinda weird.

[iCas]

there will be no Physx here they used a plugin instead or something like that that they have implemented on the engine

What!? Noooooooooooooooo ;'(

[Snickerzz]

YAYYAYAYYAYAYYA FINALLY GLAD TO HAVE A 660, SUCK IT AMD (jk but really, mantle, mining, game bundles, etc etc.. got tired of not hearing anything good from nvidia)

 

also, the tree leaves actually look like fucking leaves!

[Snickerzz]

So it only looks that good on Nvidia cards, that's cool...

you have mining, mantle, game bundles, and a bunch of other shit, why can't nvidia have something? ;-;

[AMICLG]

you have mining, mantle, game bundles, and a bunch of other shit, why can't nvidia have something? ;-;

True but it's still not fair that the game that people spent their money on won't look as good because they don't have an nvidia card.

[Snickerzz]

True but it's still not fair that the game that people spent their money on won't look as good because they don't have an nvidia card.

its also not fair that i paid for BF4 but don't get the performance boost mantle gives

 

also, thats like saying its not fair i paid 400$ for my 480 when it came out and i cant run WD at its best rofl

[.:Lucky:.™]

I can't wait, hope the games a lot of fun with friends.