Which part of AIO cooler is most important for CPU temps? or "Is my AIO so bad"?

[freeagent]

3 minutes ago, NorKris said:

hehe ye 145 watt can go for even a air cooler  

Right after you proclaimed what I said means nothing and AIO for life y0? 
 

Ok

[NorKris]

1 minute ago, freeagent said:

Right after you proclaimed what I said means nothing and AIO for life y0? 
 

Ok

you say that air coolers beat most AIOs in temps, and this is can happen when the aio is top mounted as exhaust and are full of bad RGB fans. or if the AIO is 120mm. 
But front mounted as intake with good fans.... different story 

[freeagent]

Your talking to a guy who used to use one with 120x38s.

[NorKris]

7 minutes ago, freeagent said:

Your talking to a guy who used to use one with 120x38s.

120mm AIO with 38mm fan?
or 120 times 38mm fans? xD

[freeagent]

12 minutes ago, NorKris said:

120mm AIO with 38mm fan?
or 120 times 38mm fans? xD

240 rad 4x 120x38s in the front position, and just two when in the top position.

[NorKris]

1 minute ago, freeagent said:

240 rad 4x 120x38s in the front position, and just two when in the top position.

ahok and the only way within the laws of physics that would get higher temps than an air cooler is cuz of bad mount, or old unit (bad pump) or lack of fluids

[freeagent]

Yup it’s pretty light right now. So yeah AIO are usually pretty good for a year or so. But if you push your system routinely you will only get 1 or 2 good years out of it. Mine is sitting in the basement and it feels a bit lighter then it did when new. I sold my D14 because I thought it was awesome. Whoops.

[NorKris]

7 minutes ago, freeagent said:

Yup it’s pretty light right now. So yeah AIO are usually pretty good for a year or so. But if you push your system routinely you will only get 1 or 2 good years out of it. Mine is sitting in the basement and it feels a bit lighter then it did when new. I sold my D14 because I thought it was awesome. Whoops.

I would love to see some documentation / testing on that  

[Mister Woof]

It depends on the chip. Blanket "AIO is not as good as big air" isn't always the case.

 

I had a 10900KF with a Deep Ass 3, which is the same or better than the legendary Noctua NH-D15.

CPU Stress tests alone....it's fine. Add in GPU load? NOPE. Not with an OC anyway.

 

Upgraded to a 360 AIO as intake, and temps are much better.

 

Seems your max package power was well over 220w. That is going to tax any air cooler. It's going to tax any AIO. The good part of an AIO is it takes a little longer to fully soak, so you have more headroom before it hits that, and usually your task should be done by then.

 

Don't underestimate the sheer amount of heat a CPU over 200w can produce.

 

I will wait for report back on if the fans are actually on the radiator or not.

[freeagent]

Yup, it was cooling my x5690. I ran it between 4200-4800MHz with 1.325-1.6v. Definitely over 200w..

 

Deep ass made me laugh way more than it should have..

 

I like to fold or run wcg sometimes.. no problem using cpu and gpu.. and really the main reason I use the kind of fans that I do. Its not quiet but it’s very effective.

[freeagent]

3 hours ago, NorKris said:

I would love to see some documentation / testing on that  

Just do what I did. Buy one, install it, run the shit out of your hardware. Watch temps. Keep abusing hardware. Stop when it gets hot. By that time a couple of years should have gone by. 

[NorKris]

8 hours ago, freeagent said:

Just do what I did. Buy one, install it, run the shit out of your hardware. Watch temps. Keep abusing hardware. Stop when it gets hot. By that time a couple of years should have gone by. 

hehe, i buy AIOs and take them apart, test water flow, connecting them to same rads to test everything by it self. 

[Senkhara]

On 7/4/2021 at 6:31 PM, IkeaGnome said:

You also don't have fans on the radiator. The air is going to take path of least resistance which is around the radiator.

 

What do you mean no fans? The fans are in front of the rad (you can see them on the front pic of the PC).

Yes they are argb, I'm not saying they have an amazing airflow but it's okay-ish, not terrible. Cooler Master is not the worst manufacturer. There are 3 intake 120mm fans blowing on the rad, bios settings are near to turbo, the rad itself is warm at most, not hot.

 

A few days ago it was way hotter outside than now, aand I definitely see a correlation with the cpu temps. Now in gaming temps are OK (60-70). Although in AIDA64 stress test it still takes easily 96 degrees in less than a minute. I brought another AIO for testing and I'll post results later.

 

@Jeppes Ah well. Can't we have both a nice design AND an effective cooling? Pretty frustrating actually. This AIO was the ONLY one that I kinda liked and it perfectly fits in the build style. But I also like cold temps. Someone please make something like RGB plates with custom design which you just put on a pump. There are such for PSU shrouds etc, maybe I can ask them to make a round one?

 

@freeagent Well I prefer AIOs. I know performance is about the same, but for me that's not all that matters. Firstly I'd like to see, like, my motherboard, RAM and stuff, and be able to change or disconnect something without removing the cooler or breaking my hands through it. In general I don't like how massive coolers are (yes there are small ones but you not gonna but them on cpus like 10900K), AIO though - the pump is neat, relatively small, and rad takes the empty space no one needs and makes the PC cozier.

Aand the tubes look nice

 

About rad mounting - guys, front mounting is mostly ok and also none other options are possible in this case (again, the case's the only one I liked :D).

 

On 7/4/2021 at 7:32 PM, NorKris said:

 

The pc looks amazing tho.

Thank you! I built my dream PC in favorite color ^_^ Only thing left is to upgrade from 1070Ti to 3070/Ti for 1440p monitor. But ah, the prices...

 

 

[IkeaGnome]

10 minutes ago, Senkhara said:

The fans are in front of the rad (you can see them on the front pic of the PC).

They are not mounted to the radiator it looks like. If the air isn't being forced through the radiator with fans mounted to it, the majority of the air is going to go around the radiator and not cool. I'd be willing to bet that if you turned the computer on and got it warm, you'd feel a lot of air going around the radiator, but not much going through the radiator. A piece of paper behind the radiator will visualize this well.

12 minutes ago, Senkhara said:

Yes they are argb, I'm not saying they have an amazing airflow but it's okay-ish, not terrible. Cooler Master is not the worst manufacturer.

I wasn't talking about the specific fans saying they're bad. Even the best delta fans would struggle here.

[freeagent]

28 minutes ago, Senkhara said:

Well I prefer AIOs.

All good. I was chit chatting with the other fellow. No need to explain. Enjoy your build.

[Senkhara]

On 7/4/2021 at 9:10 PM, NorKris said:

Yea. i agree. Pump in rad is just... stupid 

It is marketed as "rEdUcInG vIbRaTiOnS", but can as well be only marketing bull.

Probably doesn't make much difference but at least does not make worse - the top NZXT AIOs have this too and their performance is veeery good.

 

Pump on the rad would be great if there were no more wires coming from the pump, allowing for a cleaner look - but alas, there are wires still.

 

 

@IkeaGnome Thx, will check. Unfortunately, even it is the main issue, I won't be ready to sacrifice the whole front view And yet it seems like that most of the issues come from the hot weather. Now in gaming temps are ok, in stress test it still takes 96 degrees in less than a minute but no throttle.

 

 

@freeagent And I just added my opinion on the topic Why someone can still prefer AIOs even when they're not more effective in cooling.

[NorKris]

3 minutes ago, Senkhara said:

It is marketed as "rEdUcInG vIbRaTiOnS", but can as well be only marketing bull.

Probably doesn't make much difference but at least does not make worse - the top NZXT AIOs have this too and their performance is veeery good.

 

Pump on the rad would be great if there were no more wires coming from the pump, allowing for a cleaner look - but alas, there are wires still.

@IkeaGnome Thx, will check. Unfortunately, even it is the main issue, I won't be ready to sacrifice the whole front view And yet it seems like that most of the issues come from the hot weather. Now in gaming temps are ok, in stress test it still takes 96 degrees in less than a minute but no throttle.

@freeagent And I just added my opinion on the topic Why someone can still prefer AIOs even when they're not more effective in cooling.

Im pretty sure NZXT's "pump in rad" is only in a 120AIO, and who cares about them

Put im pretty sure your problems comes from: Bad AIO, not so good fans, Insane loads...
 

[Stahlmann]

@NorKris @freeagent @IkeaGnome  @Mister Woof

 

You guys probably need some actual comparable and standardized numbers for your AiO vs. air cooler war:

 

 

TLDW: Noise normalized, most 240mm and bigger AiOs will pretty much always perform better than even the biggest air coolers.

That doesn't mean that one is necessarily better. Both cooling methods have their own advantages and disadvantages.

[NorKris]

4 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

@NorKris @freeagent @IkeaGnome  @Mister Woof

 

You guys probably need some actual comparable and standardized numbers for your AiO vs. air cooler war:

 

 

That is what im using against "anti AIO" folks  and that vid linus made in 2014 or somthing when he mounted the same fans on both a NHD14(i think) and a H100

 

i mean imagine trying to tell som1 too cool 227w with an air cooler  

[Stahlmann]

4 minutes ago, NorKris said:

That is what im using against "anti AIO" folks  and that vid linus made in 2014 or somthing when he mounted the same fans on both a NHD14(i think) and a H100

 

I especially find one of the first comments on the video to summarize it pretty well:

 

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liquid is pretty and cool, but good air coolers get the job done for the life of the PC with zero maintenance.

 

[Kilrah]

8 minutes ago, NorKris said:

i mean imagine trying to tell som1 too cool 227w with an air cooler  

I'm cooling 280W with an air cooler... large die size tho, which helps more than the cooler itself and is something people usually don't realize.

[NorKris]

Just now, Kilrah said:

I'm cooling 280W with an air cooler...

not a normal aircooler..? or with normal 25mm fans   

[Kilrah]

NH-D14. See previous edited post.

[NorKris]

2 minutes ago, Kilrah said:

NH-D14. See previous edited post.

any pics of this? 

in GN's test, the Nhd15 got 47 over room temp when 198w-load. and if ur room temp is 28+.. and with a nhd14..
and 230watt? eehm

[Kilrah]

What pics? It's a looker on a CPU... and a 280W reading.

 

 

As mentioned the die is huge (5960X) and that helps a lot, on something like a 9900K it wouldn't get more than 220W or so for the same temps.