Any performance difference between these Rams?

[Mark Kaine]

I dont wanna bet on the wrong horse ram, and Im a bit confused as 1 of these is significantly cheaper than the other 2…

 

 

[SupaKomputa]

Those are basically have the same chip.

Either one you choose doesn't matter.

[Mark Kaine]

4 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

Those are basically have the same chip.

Either one you choose doesn't matter.

Now im even more confused, the cheap one is 14 16 16 36

the more expensive are 14 14 14 31…

 

Now wether that info is correct or not idk, but it would explain the price differences… and a bit misleading because  they basically really look like the same kit o.o

[Middcore]

There will in all likelihood be no perceptible difference. 

 

The more expensive one is probably more expensive because it has RGB lighting. 

[WhitetailAni]

Just now, Mark Kaine said:

Now im even more confused, the cheap one is 14 16 16 36

the more expensive are 14 14 14 31…

The cheap one may be able to hit the timings of the second one if you push it hard enough, if both have B-die. The 14-14-14-31 timings you listed are the ones that my B-die kit are rated for. Keep in mind that the cheap one most likely will require more volts on both the RAM and IMC on the CPU to hit those tighter timings, but the difference (if any) is 0.01% CPU performance. The most important timing is CAS latency, and both are C14 kits.

[SupaKomputa]

The better one just have better timings preconfig out of the box.

Just get the cheapest one, you can make it the same performance as the other one.

[Mark Kaine]

Just now, Middcore said:

There will in all likelihood be no perceptible difference. 

 

The more expensive one is probably more expensive because it has RGB lighting. 

i mean i didnt know the shop has this info, and i didnt see it at first, but the cheapest, the black and white, has higher timings, and the silver and the rgb one cost exactly  the same , but 15 bucks more than the black and white, it really seems misleading, the model numbers are *almost* the same, but apparently  there are more differences than just color.  If the info is correct!

[Mark Kaine]

3 minutes ago, FakeKGB said:

The cheap one may be able to hit the timings of the second one if you push it hard enough, if both have B-die. The 14-14-14-31 timings you listed are the ones that my B-die kit are rated for. Keep in mind that the cheap one most likely will require more volts on both the RAM and IMC on the CPU to hit those tighter timings, but the difference (if any) is 0.01% CPU performance. The most important timing is CAS latency, and both are C14 kits.

Thats what i suspected, but it doesnt  say the manufacturer… i just thought the price differences are weird, so the cheap one might be hynix or some trash… this is more difficult than i thought…

2 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

The better one just have better timings preconfig out of the box.

Just get the cheapest one, you can make it the same performance as the other one.

Not if one is hynixtrash and the other is Samsung UwU

 

Also my mobo cant overclock, well at least not with the trashy Ram I have right now (Corsair Vengeance "lpx")  

[WhitetailAni]

1 minute ago, Mark Kaine said:

Not if one is hynixtrash and the other is Samsung UwU

I doubt any of the kits are Hynix - afaik only B-die kits can hit 3200 C14 for DDR4 and Hynix is usually around 3200 C15-C16 with tighter subtimings.

Probably wrong but that's my experience.

[SupaKomputa]

1 minute ago, Mark Kaine said:

Not if one is hynixtrash and the other is Samsung UwU

3200 CL14 most likely are samsung B-die.

https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/

 

Those chip can easily overclocked to 4000 minimum.

I say get the RGB if it's really cheaper.

[Mark Kaine]

4 minutes ago, FakeKGB said:

I doubt any of the kits are Hynix - afaik only B-die kits can hit 3200 C14 for DDR4 and Hynix is usually around 3200 C15-C16 with tighter subtimings.

Probably wrong but that's my experience.

Ah, ok, didnt know that, but would make sense. Whats the best way to find the manufacturer tho? Because  i dont want to get "hynix" again, that would probably be the same annoyance as I have now. 

[WhitetailAni]

4 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

Whats the best way to find the manufacturer tho? Because  i dont want to get "hynix" again, that would probably be the same annoyance as I have now. 

I use this:
https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/
To find if the kit is B-die or not.

 

Also, I got a 2x8GB hit of Vengeance LPX that was "Ryzen Ready" or something like that and it didn't have Hynix chips, instead it had Nanya Technologies RAM chips. They seem to play well with Ryzen. No idea what the luck is of getting Nanya dies in LPX - if it's based on the "Ryzen Ready" marker or something else. Either way I wouldn't test your luck.

 

The kits you linked have a 99.9% chance of being B-die, I think. B-die can do basically anything you throw at it - my dad got a 3200 C14-14-14-31 kit for his 1600X and it ran those timings no problems. I would have gotten another 2x8GB kit of B-die but I couldn't find any at Micro Center.

[mariushm]

Why don't you go straight to the source?  Titles and descriptions can be wrong :

 

F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW-G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

F4-3200C14D-16GTZSW-G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

F4-3200C14D-16GTZRX-G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

 

They seem to be all the same.

 

 

[Mark Kaine]

8 minutes ago, FakeKGB said:

Also, I got a 2x8GB hit of Vengeance LPX that was "Ryzen Ready" or something like that and it didn't have Hynix chips, instead it had Nanya

interesting … well mine were sold as "ryzen optimized" iirc, but it doesnt say so on the box, and they're  indeed hynix.

 

5 minutes ago, mariushm said:

Why don't you go straight to the source?  Titles and descriptions can be wrong :

 

F4-3200C14D-16GTZKW-G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

F4-3200C14D-16GTZSW-G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

F4-3200C14D-16GTZRX-G.SKILL International Enterprise Co., Ltd.

 

They seem to be all the same.

 

 

Thanks, and well yeah, I thought  it might be faster to ask here and didnt  really know where to look anyway (also interesting if that seller yet again has the wrong info…)

[Daethz]

There used to be a page that said if ram had samsung B-dies based on model number.

If you can find that I believe the ones with those are the best.

Either way it's ram and they are all the same speed and CL so I doubt any differences will be enough to measure.

[Mark Kaine]

Err, my motherboard isnt on the QVL, no b350 boards are, should this be an issue or should it just work anyways ?

 

@SupaKomputa@FakeKGB@Middcore@mariushm

[mariushm]

The memory controller is in the cpu, not the chipset ...

 

How the traces (very thin wires) are routed between the cpu socket and the memory slots can affect the maximum frequency and timings that will be supported. 

The generation of Ryzen processors will also affect things, because again, the memory controller is in the cpu...

 

The b350 boards being some of the first, may not be as well optimized / fine tuned for high frequency ram sticks. 

 

If it's a first generation Ryzen, then I'd say it's probably around 70% chances those sticks are gonna run at 3200 Mhz, but maybe you'd have to raise the timings to around 16-18. They'll run at 2933 or 3000 Mhz just fine.

 

If it's second generation ryzen or newer, probably 95% chance they'll run fine on a b350 motherboard. Very unlikely but you may have to play with the timings, use something higher like 16-16...  

[Mark Kaine]

23 minutes ago, mariushm said:

If it's second generation ryzen or newer, probably 95% chance they'll run fine on a b350 motherboard. Very unlikely but you may have to play with the timings, use something higher like 16-16...  

Huh, ok I see. Its a 3600, so it should just work I guess. I want to buy another mobo also, but Im not sure when i'll do that so it kinda should work with what I have, and well, my hope is that i could get better overclocking with better Ram, but thats quite uncertain anyhow, I guess…  Or should i try finding older "B-die" Ram? Im not sure why they didnt put any B350 boards on the QVL, i mean this motherboard (B350m "mortar") officially "supports" 3200 Ram, of course I'd prefer if I could overclock it to ~3800 or so though, which may or may not need a newer or better board as far I understand.

[Guest]

30 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

Or should i try finding older "B-die" Ram? 

It's all older Die because Samsung stopped producing it. It's been replaced with A-Dies which at 3600mhz would carry a timing set of 16-18-18, very similar to micron A die or samsung D-Die.... most of these all very similar in timing sets. Also advertised as "AMD ready" modules will also have the looser sets 16-18-18 for example.

[Mark Kaine]

17 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

It's all older Die because Samsung stopped producing it. It's been replaced with A-Dies which at 3600mhz would carry a timing set of 16-18-18, very similar to micron A die or samsung D-Die.... most of these all very similar in timing sets. Also advertised as "AMD ready" modules will also have the looser sets 16-18-18 for example.

Ah ok makes sense…  so i should actually try getting 3600 RAMs?  Seeing as they're yet again cheaper would make sense I guess, even if its not guaranteed to work at that speed on my mobo?

 

"Trident Z RGB 16GB Kit DDR4-3600 CL16 (F4-3600C16D-16GTZRC)"

 

^would that be better, but its not "B-die"? (im gonna look that up in a sec)

 

This Ram business is confusing, really not sure why these would be cheaper than 3200  Ram… lol.

 

Edit:  

 

Not the B-Team , aha

[SupaKomputa]

5 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

really not sure why these would be cheaper than 3200  Ram

B-Die are rare and expensive, if you can get one, they are sought after in the OC community.

Most B-die are already booked by major brands, samsung doesn't make it anymore, not even to itself.

If you want to get a cheap but nearly as good as B-die, get a OEM samsung (the green one) D-Die module (like mine), it's relatively easy to get, for only $25 per 8gb module.

 

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

B-Die are rare and expensive, if you can get one, they are sought after in the OC community.

Most B-die are already booked by major brands, samsung doesn't make it anymore, not even to itself.

If you want to get a cheap but nearly as good as B-die, get a OEM samsung (the green one) D-Die module (like mine), it's relatively easy to get, for only $25 per 8gb module

 

B-Die is actually not that rare, but yes sometimes expensive. Sometimes not. Just gotta know where to look.

 

Like this set here, I generally advise for people to grab. Fast, B-Die and not too pricey. 

Newegg looks to have all the colors of this kit, you change the product letter at the end of the part number. SW in this case is white. KW black, GTZ without end letter is Red.

https://www.neweggbusiness.com/product/product.aspx?item=9b-20-232-438&tpk=9b-20-232-438

[Mark Kaine]

3 hours ago, SupaKomputa said:

If you want to get a cheap but nearly as good as B-die, get a OEM samsung (the green one) D-Die module (like mine), it's relatively easy to get, for only $25 per 8gb module.

Thing is living in scam country (also known as EU) I found this but it costs more than twice that!

 

 

55 euros…

 

then i can also get the black and white trident z for 20 bucks more that are b-die lol. But still interesting.

also he fried his windows with all the overclocking lol 

 

2 hours ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Like this set here, I generally advise for people to grab. Fast, B-Die and not too pricey. 

Newegg looks to have all the colors of this kit, you change the product letter at the end of the part number. SW in this case is white. KW black, GTZ without end letter is Red.

https://www.neweggbusiness.com/product/product.aspx?item=9b-20-232-438&tpk=9b-20-232-438

Cant find this here, but i should be ok with  any trident z with Samsung b-die basically, right?

Cheapest I found is 130 euros for the 3200 CL14

 

Also saw Trident z neo 3600 CL14 b-die for 205 euros, that would be an alternative if i want "faster" I guess?

 

*only* 75 bucks more -.-

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Mark Kaine said:

 

Cheapest I found is 130 euros for the 3200 CL14

 

*only* 75 bucks more -.-

This 3200 CL 14, if is the B-Die (14-14-14) timings will easily do 16-16-16 3600mhz manually. Like super easily. 

 

130EU might as well get that kit. 

[Mark Kaine]

16 hours ago, ShrimpBrime said:

This 3200 CL 14, if is the B-Die (14-14-14) timings will easily do 16-16-16 3600mhz manually. Like super easily. 

 

130EU might as well get that kit. 

I got this one now… funny enough because i think if i turn off the rgb it might be less visible in my PC (I mean everything except the GPU is black currently and I quite like that)

https://www.gskill.com/specification/165/167/1536717320/F4-3200C14D-16GTZRX-Specification

 

 

Anyway, I think its B-die, but now the B-die checker site is bugging out, it says its B-die, but it also says its not, and it takes forever to find it , i think the "X" is throwing it off lol…

 

These shops are a mess also, now I wanted to check again, its suddenly 10 bucks more (160 instead of 150) just adding to the confusion lol.

 

 

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