Any performance difference between these Rams?

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56 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

I got this one now… funny enough because i think if i turn off the rgb it might be less visible in my PC (I mean everything except the GPU is black currently and I quite like that)

https://www.gskill.com/specification/165/167/1536717320/F4-3200C14D-16GTZRX-Specification

 

 

Anyway, I think its B-die, but now the B-die checker site is bugging out, it says its B-die, but it also says its not, and it takes forever to find it , i think the "X" is throwing it off lol…

 

These shops are a mess also, now I wanted to check again, its suddenly 10 bucks more (160 instead of 150) just adding to the confusion lol.

 

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

 

The link displays the 14-14-14 timing set. 

For sure it's the Bdie. You'll confirm it once installed and running. 

[Mark Kaine]

57 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

The link displays the 14-14-14 timing set. 

For sure it's the Bdie. You'll confirm it once installed and running. 

I think the X means ryzen "certified"  because that says something about ryzen in the link, the non X didnt… 

 

 

And yes, i will, hopefully! : D

[Mark Kaine]

Let's go!

 

 

"May 21" never did i have such fresh RAMs! 

 

Will update how it goes - I dont expect my PC to boot initially, not because of the quality of the RAM, but just because how terrible the BIOS is, although I turned XMP off for now, maybe that helps… ?

 

 

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11 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

Let's go!

 

 

"May 21" never did i have such fresh RAMs! 

 

Will update how it goes - I dont expect my PC to boot initially, not because of the quality of the RAM, but just because how terrible the BIOS is, although I turned XMP off for now, maybe that helps… ?

 

 

When installing new memory, set all defaults or clear the cmos.

 

Memory training will start at 3200mhz, should post up at this freq.. then train up to 3600 or 3733mhz maybe.

 

CL 14 1.35v 3200mhz.

CL 16 1.35v 3600mhz.

 

CL14 1.45v 3600mhz

CL 12 1.60v 3600mhz.

 

CL14 1.60v 4000mhz

CL 16 1.50v 4000mhz.

 

Are some rough figures for you. 

[Mark Kaine]

1 hour ago, ShrimpBrime said:

When installing new memory, set all defaults or clear the cmos.

 

Memory training will start at 3200mhz, should post up at this freq.. then train up to 3600 or 3733mhz maybe.

 

CL 14 1.35v 3200mhz.

CL 16 1.35v 3600mhz.

 

CL14 1.45v 3600mhz

CL 12 1.60v 3600mhz.

 

CL14 1.60v 4000mhz

CL 16 1.50v 4000mhz.

 

Are some rough figures for you. 

Well it booted! I just set the

XMP lol… do i really have to reset everything? I mean, making the fancurves was a pain - this bios is *really* laggy, like 5fps if I had to guess… -.-

 

And ok, so i leave the timings alone and just change the frequency and voltage? Honestly if it went to 3600 that would be a huge success already for me!

 

 

its at 1.36v but i guess thats normal for XMP.

And idk why my bus speed is 99.98, shouldnt that be "100"

 

The RAM temps are fine currently, 35C max during cinebench 

[Mark Kaine]

4 hours ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Memory training will start at 3200mhz, should post up at this freq.. then train up to 3600 or 3733mhz maybe.

 

CL 14 1.35v 3200mhz.

CL 16 1.35v 3600mhz.

 

CL14 1.45v 3600mhz

CL 12 1.60v 3600mhz.

 

CL14 1.60v 4000mhz

CL 16 1.50v 4000mhz.

That was more difficult than I thought… I tried the Ryzen dram calculator, but that is a huge pain finding the right settings they tell you… did not boot anyways  and then the bios didnt let me set some things back to "auto", then the RAM was at cl15 3200 XMP for some reason… lol.

 

Anyways i kept it really simple then and that finally worked:

 

i set voltage to 1.35, but that doesnt bother the mobo, its still running at 1.36v, XMP is off… but i guess thats alright too.

 

Idk if tighter timings will work but i guess i should test this oc for stability now first anyways , I mean 3600!!! is hella fast

 

 

PS: i eventually had to load default settings because it wouldnt let me set some stuff back to auto (as said)

 

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2 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

That was more difficult than I thought… I tried the Ryzen dram calculator, but that is a huge pain finding the right settings they tell you… did not boot anyways  and then the bios didnt let me set some things back to "auto", then the RAM was at cl15 3200 XMP for some reason… lol.

 

Anyways i kept it really simple then and that finally worked:

 

 

i set voltage to 1.35, but that doesnt bother the mobo, its still running at 1.36v, XMP is off… but i guess thats alright too.

 

Idk if tighter timings will work but i guess i should test this oc for stability now first anyways , I mean 3600!!! is hella fast

 

 

PS: i eventually had to load default settings because it wouldnt let me set some stuff back to auto (as said)

 

Lol, glad to see it's smoking fast!!! 

Awesome good job there with the overclock.

And yeah, clear defaults and now you know why....

 

Should be good for 3733mhz. Maybe 1.4v if it gets unstable.

[Mark Kaine]

11 hours ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Lol, glad to see it's smoking fast!!! 

Awesome good job there with the overclock.

And yeah, clear defaults and now you know why....

 

Should be good for 3733mhz. Maybe 1.4v if it gets unstable.

Thanks! Yeah, im glad i finally managed, theres so much stuff in the bios, its really complicated, for example "memory count retry" i set this to 4 instead of default 2, not sure if that did something, i have a feeling it did though. But theres plenty other settings that are somewhat unclear (such as "memory fast boot")

 

So far it looks stable, tested with prime, cinebench, occt, superposition… 

Some games… 

 

Oh and new issue, i stupidly installed "gskill lighting control" because i wanted to turn the rgb off, but now i have unsynced unicorn barf instead… kinda annoying!

 

 

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1 hour ago, Mark Kaine said:

Thanks! Yeah, im glad i finally managed, theres so much stuff in the bios, its really complicated, for example "memory count retry" i set this to 4 instead of default 2, not sure if that did something, i have a feeling it did though. But theres plenty other settings that are somewhat unclear (such as "memory fast boot")

 

So far it looks stable, tested with prime, cinebench, occt, superposition… 

Some games… 

 

Oh and new issue, i stupidly installed "gskill lighting control" because i wanted to turn the rgb off, but now i have unsynced unicorn barf instead… kinda annoying!

 

 

Memory retry count is the number of times the system will try the settings on a fail post. In this case, it will take 4 restarts with bad settings before the mainboard goes into safe mode and posts up giving a warning.

 

RGB I can't help with. I leave mine on rainbow puke lol.

[freeagent]

I leave mine rainbow pukey too. I find as soon as you mess with the software and then turn it off it will lose sync, even with just 2 sticks. So I just leave the software disabled at startup. No more sync probs.. I have my mem count retry set to 1.. because eff that.. lol.. I'm not going to sit there any longer than I have to watch it flounder  

 

Dram calculator never worked right for me either. Made settings way to tight in some places, and way to loose in others.. meh..

 

Have fun man! I am ok with 1.5v, and you should be too as long as you blow some air around..

[Mark Kaine]

1 hour ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Memory retry count is the number of times the system will try the settings on a fail post.

 

19 minutes ago, freeagent said:

I have my mem count retry set to 1.. because eff that.

Ok, i just wasnt sure if thats the "training" setting, because iirc it actually restarted 3 or 4 times until it finally booted with the OC.

 

1 hour ago, ShrimpBrime said:

RGB I can't help with. I leave mine on rainbow puke lol.

 

19 minutes ago, freeagent said:

leave mine rainbow pukey too. I find as soon as you mess with the software and then turn it off it will lose sync, even with just 2 sticks. So I just leave the software disabled at startup. No more sync probs..

haha, i see, well as long its synced its not actually bad, but the desyncing is really bad for my ocd lol…

 

So you have the gskill software installed or something else? Because it didnt seem to make a difference, I havent tried too much, i just reinstalled it twice, but it simply wouldnt work.

 

 

 

[freeagent]

6 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

Ok, i just wasnt sure if thats the "training" setting, because iirc it actually restarted 3 or 4 times until it finally booted with the OC.

No sir, that is your system telling you it is not stable. You may need more vdimm, or soc.. or it just might be cranky. Is it doing that with DOCP?

 

8 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

So you have the gskill software installed or something else? Because it didnt seem to make a difference, I havent tried too much, i just reinstalled it twice, but it simply wouldnt work.

I do have the G.Skill software installed, but currently disabled. The last couple of times I messed with Aura it screwed up the vrm lights, the only fix came in a bios flash, happened twice, and the RGB firmware was updated twice though different bios updates. I don't mess with lights much anymore.. I will sometimes set my ram to the gold pulse thingy because I think it looks good , I normally just run them @ stock or I turn them all off.

[Mark Kaine]

4 minutes ago, freeagent said:

No sir, that is your system telling you it is not stable.

But… its stable as stable gets (probably) !  It only did this once after i set the OC (3 reboots*) didnt do it since, and no errors in prime etc, so i think it looks pretty stable?

*i thought thats "training" but not sure…

 

7 minutes ago, freeagent said:

do have the G.Skill software installed, but currently disabled. The last couple of times I messed with Aura it screwed up the vrm lights, the only fix came in a bios flash, happened twice, and the RGB firmware was updated twice though different bios updates. I don't mess with lights much anymore.. I will sometimes set my ram to the gold pulse thingy because I think it looks good , I normally just run them @ stock or I turn them all off.

ah, i see. what a mess lol. problem  is the gskill software doesnt "see" my Ram, i believe its lying, but thats what it tells me anyway, and Aura seemed to work… but so many processes and stuff… they run even after uninstalling lol.

 

Ah, well, not much i can do about it as long gskill software refuses to recognize gskill ram?!

 

 

 

[freeagent]

2 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

But… its stable as stable gets (probably) !  It only did this once after i set the OC (3 reboots*) didnt do it since, and no errors in prime etc, so i think it looks pretty stable?

*i thought thats "training" but not sure…

It sounds ok if it was just the once and you made some corrections. Now that you have it set.. run some OCCT and check to see if everything is ok,  if that passes with no errors run some memtest and let it run up to at least 400%. If she's good, she's good  

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4 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

But… its stable as stable gets (probably) !  It only did this once after i set the OC (3 reboots*) didnt do it since, and no errors in prime etc, so i think it looks pretty stable?

*i thought thats "training" but not sure…

 

ah, i see. what a mess lol. problem  is the gskill software doesnt "see" my Ram, i believe its lying, but thats what it tells me anyway, and Aura seemed to work… but so many processes and stuff… they run even after uninstalling lol.

 

Ah, well, not much i can do about it as long gskill software refuses to recognize gskill ram?!

 

 

 

Gotta be clear. 

Restart the pc does not shut down and restart.

 

Memory training reboot, the pc shuts down 1 second and starts up again. With Asus boards usually 3 time during auto mem training. Both my Intel and AMD platforms will do this. An Asus thing I guess.

 

The higher end boards have a retry button that has come handy for me a few times, but usually when pushing the stability threshold at well over 4000mhz.

[Mark Kaine]

22 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Memory training reboot, the pc shuts down 1 second and starts up again

Thats exactly what it did…

 

First, with the dram calculator settings after trying 3 or 4(?) times it would always say "oc failed" …

 

But with my settings it would do it 3 or 4 times then boot… so thats why i thought its the retry setting, but regardless it does seem to have been training…?  i know you already  explained that earlier, and thats how i understood it. : p

 

 

 

 

 

[Mark Kaine]

On 6/16/2021 at 4:42 PM, ShrimpBrime said:

CL 14 1.35v 3200mhz.

CL 16 1.35v 3600mhz.

 

CL14 1.45v 3600mhz

CL 12 1.60v 3600mhz.

 

CL14 1.60v 4000mhz

CL 16 1.50v 4000mhz.

^just quoting this for a reference (for me)

 

Well, damn, it crashed (watching yt videos) 

"bugcheck" error, seems pretty clear its the RAM imo, because this PC hasnt crashed in months (last time it did was because of a weird bequiet PSU that didnt like my GPU in like january…)

 

 

So should i just put more voltage? (and if so how much?)

 

This is really weird about RAM, it ran really well, PC feels snappier too, but if it crashes thats obviously no good…

@ShrimpBrime how should I proceed , without making the RAM slower (lol)?  

 

 

Edit: did 11 loops on memtest64, no errors, so maybe it was something else?

but yeah, its strange, i guess maybe memory needs slightly more voltagage or whatever, oof.