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so, i got my stepdad into gaming a couple years ago by introducing him to farming simulator on xbox. he still almost exclusively plays farm sim. this year, i took my tax return and bought an asus tuf a15 (1660ti) and after finally experiencing pc mods, he decided to get a pc himself. farm sim being farm sim and the pc market being what it is, i sold him on an hp prebuilt on sale at bestbuy for about 500. 

 

now, being a $500ish hp, it obviously doesnt have a dedicated gpu. the ryzen 5 works well enough for him, as the visuals arent all that important when compared to simple mod availability.

 

now for the slightly odd question. will increasing the ram on his pc improve the gpu performance at all? i'm not overly familiar with how amd apus work, and my google-fu failed me. there are mods that dont seem to play well together due to the limited availability of gfx memory (iirc, system currently has 12gb, max 32gb). 

 

before anyone says it, yes. i have mentioned getting a different pc or adding a dedicated gpu. neither is likely to happen. doesnt wanna pay regular retail for a gpu, much less scalper prices and he wont do used. 

 

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More RAM, no. Faster RAM, yes. For 12GB (8+4), RAM slows down significantly after usage goes beyond 8GB. This depends on the motherboard support though, hope it's not some custom mobo that's super locked down

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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I'm guessing that's two mismatched sticks of RAM, a 4GB & an 8 GB. Getting a matched set of fast (DDR4 3000 or 3200 is sufficient) 8 GB sticks and making sure they're set to dual channel should give at least a small boost. However, without knowing more about the actual specs, it's hard to say for sure. Or if there's something else that might help noticeably. (Also making sure it's actually using XMP, or they'll probably be running at 2133 and not helping at all.)

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3 minutes ago, ramava said:

I'm guessing that's two mismatched sticks of RAM, a 4GB & an 8 GB. Getting a matched set of fast (DDR4 3000 or 3200 is sufficient) 8 GB sticks and making sure they're set to dual channel should give at least a small boost. However, without knowing more about the actual specs, it's hard to say for sure. Or if there's something else that might help noticeably.

ok, here is a link to the spec page https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/hp-desktop-pc-m01-f0000a/38096274/model/30973231/document/c06442767

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1 minute ago, moron88 said:

ok, here is a link to the spec page https://support.hp.com/us-en/product/hp-desktop-pc-m01-f0000a/38096274/model/30973231/document/c06442767

Supports PC4-25600 (DDR4-3200), which is good. Problem is whether it allows overclocking (to go beyond 3200) and how much control you have over what it runs. Can you go into the BIOS and see if it lets you change memory frequency and timings?

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

Supports PC4-25600 (DDR4-3200), which is good. Problem is whether it allows overclocking (to go beyond 3200) and how much control you have over what it runs. Can you go into the BIOS and see if it lets you change memory frequency and timings?

i'll try and see when he gets home, but i'm guessing not given the 180w power supply. i did find a reasonably priced ram set locally.

 https://www.bestbuy.com/site/corsair-vengeance-lpx-16gb-2pk-x-8gb-3-2-ghz-ddr4-dram-desktop-memory-kit-black/4895506.p?skuId=4895506

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After looking at the specs, that's all I can think of without installing a discrete GPU. I wouldn't worry about overclocking past 3200. The gains past 3200 aren't likely to be worth the effort and may not even be noticeable.

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2 minutes ago, ramava said:

After looking at the specs, that's all I can think of without installing a discrete GPU. I wouldn't worry about overclocking past 3200. The gains past 3200 aren't likely to be worth the effort and may not even be noticeable.

that's what i was half thinking.  i have a higher watt psu that aught to work if/when he decides to spring for one. 

 

thanks for the help guys, much appreciated.

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22 minutes ago, moron88 said:

i'll try and see when he gets home, but i'm guessing not given the 180w power supply. i did find a reasonably priced ram set locally.

 https://www.bestbuy.com/site/corsair-vengeance-lpx-16gb-2pk-x-8gb-3-2-ghz-ddr4-dram-desktop-memory-kit-black/4895506.p?skuId=4895506

problem is if it doesn't support XMP, these 1.35V kits will usually run at 2133MHz instead. In that case you need one of these

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/memory/#U=4&Z=16384002&L=220&S=3200,5100

CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1

 

Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync

 

Desktop benching:

Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 

SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s

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More memory can help, especially since the iGPU in the chip will dedicate a portion of that for video usage. 

Before you reply to my post, REFRESH. 99.99% chance I edited my post. 

 

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