[POLL] OLED or MiniLED

[Stahlmann]

Which one of these 2 technologies would you rather have in your next monitor or TV and why?

 

MicroLED is not a choice as it's not likely to be affordable anytime soon while high-end OLED and MiniLED TV's sit at a somewhat similar price range.

(For example Samsung Q90A vs LG C1 both sitting at $1500-$1800 for the 55" model)

 

I'm up for discussion!

[thewill102]

The only reason why i really dont want an OLED screen is the burn in. I have an OLED on my phone, and i dont have any burn ins (so far), but im always scared that it will eventually happen. As there is no fix to it, thats what im mainly afraid of. Especially considering that im mostly playing CS:GO, and i do not want a crosshair visible when im watching YouTube.

 

But other than that, i prefer the OLED.

[Eigenvektor]

I'd say OLED, because it seems to be the superior technology (aside from longevity). Dimming zones feels more workaround-ish. But in reality, I'll likely wait for Micro-LED because it seems to combine best of both worlds.

[Freakwise]

Honestly if you ask me now, i prefer oled it's kinda awesome, but if, sometimes in the future when the dimming zone density increase by 50% to 150% which kinda sounds unreasonable, i would choose miniled

[Stahlmann]

13 minutes ago, thewill102 said:

The only reason why i really dont want an OLED screen is the burn in. I have an OLED on my phone, and i dont have any burn ins (so far), but im always scared that it will eventually happen. As there is no fix to it, thats what im mainly afraid of. Especially considering that im mostly playing CS:GO, and i do not want a crosshair visible when im watching YouTube.

 

But other than that, i prefer the OLED.

Burn in can be a problem, but doesn't have to. With modern OLED TV's it's not really a big problem anymore. But if you'd have a bright coloured static crosshair on screen for hours each day, it might become a problem in a few years. Burn in is nothing that suddenly happens, but develops over time. There are very simple things the user can do to prevent it.

 

One of these things is to keep brightness under control in SDR content. Imo for normal use (even during daytime) calibrating to a 150 cd/m2 white level is more than enough. And for HDR content you can then still enjoy the higher brightness.

 

9 minutes ago, Eigenvektor said:

I'd say OLED, because it seems to be the superior technology (aside from longevity). Dimming zones feels more workaround-ish. But in reality, I'll likely wait for Micro-LED because it seems to combine best of both worlds.

MicroLED seems to have pixel level dimming like OLED, with even higher peak brightness than MiniLED. How good it works and if it's ever affordable for consumers remains to be seen. Currently the manufacturing process for these extremely small LEDs is very costly and these TVs start over $150.000,00. So i'd say you're in for a long wait.

 

7 minutes ago, Liam danu said:

Honestly if you ask me now, i prefer oled it's kinda awesome, but if, sometimes in the future when the dimming zone density increase by 50% to 150% which kinda sounds unreasonable, i would choose miniled

The 55" Q90A has around 1.000 dimming zones. Even with 1.500 zones you'd still compare it to "8.294.400 zones" with a 4K OLED display.

[SupaKomputa]

For the same price? Oled for sure.

I'm not spending my time in front of the tv all the time, so i guess it would be safe.

Had samsung s5 amoled for years, no burn in, i guess it depends on the screen time.

[Ankh Tech]

I actually am lost on this one, I love the deeper blacks, but brightmess is also very important to me, I wish they make a hybrid product or something

 

Edit: I believe the hybrid is microLED, correct me if I am wrong

[SupaKomputa]

1 minute ago, Ankh Tech said:

I love the deeper blacks, but brightmess is also very important to me

You can fix brightness (like turning off ambient lights), not blacks.

[Ankh Tech]

Just now, SupaKomputa said:

You can fix brightness (like turning off ambient lights), not blacks.

I guess, I prefer oled anyways, but miniLED is also very good

[Stahlmann]

6 minutes ago, Ankh Tech said:

I actually am lost on this one, I love the deeper blacks, but brightmess is also very important to me, I wish they make a hybrid product or something

That would be MicroLED, but it's still far off and extremely expensive.

 

6 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

For the same price? Oled for sure.

I'm not spending my time in front of the tv all the time, so i guess it would be safe.

Had samsung s5 amoled for years, no burn in, i guess it depends on the screen time.

Screen time is a big part. If you really think about it you phone screen is normally on for a few minutes each day. With monitors and TV's you're talking about hours.

 

For example the TV doesn't care if you have a static crosshair for 5 hours once or for 1 hour across 5 days. It does the same in terms of "using" up the pixels durability. So it's not forgetting something and leaving the TV on overnight, but cumulative useage that makes burn in appear.

[Freakwise]

12 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

The 55" Q90A has around 1.000 dimming zones. Even with 1.500 zones you'd still compare it to "8.294.400 zones" with a 4K OLED display.

Yeah i know, i somewhat see mini led as budget choice for tv in the future

Sure now days the price is same as oled, but when microled is newly introduced i bet the price difference is much, much larger and could be a factor of consideration

 

I mean it shouldn't be that expensive isn't it?, After all it was normal glorified lcd on steroids

[Stahlmann]

3 minutes ago, Liam danu said:

Yeah i know, i somewhat see mini led as budget choice for tv in the future

Sure now days the price is same as oled, but when microled is newly introduced i bet the price difference is much, much larger and could be a factor of consideration

 

I mean it shouldn't be that expensive isn't it?, After all it was normal glorified lcd on steroids

Like i said above, the manufacturing of these little tiny LEDs is extremely expensive and hard to do.

 

Get closer to your monitor until you can make out a single pixel. And now think you have to fit 3 little LEDs (Red, Green, Blue) that can get extremely bright into this little space.

 

The MicroLED TV that you can currently buy for over $150K is the Samsung one, which is 110" for a 4K TV. They can't get them small enough to fit in 55" TV's for example.

 

The main problem MicroLED has right now is manufacturing these LEDs cost effectifely.

[Levent]

The one that doesnt have pwm flicker (I love OLED colors though). I dont care about brightness as I always keep my room quite dim. 

[SupaKomputa]

3 minutes ago, Liam danu said:

Yeah i know, i somewhat see mini led as budget choice for tv in the future

Yes because LED (backlight) is freakin cheap, and easy to mass produce.

[Stahlmann]

1 minute ago, Levent said:

The one that doesnt have pwm flicker (I love OLED colors though). I dont care about brightness as I always keep my room quite dim. 

Current OLED TV's don't have a backlight and thus no flickering. The current Samsung TV's flicker at 960Hz, which is not noticeable to anyone i know. I can only just barely notice the 60Hz flickering on my OLED TV when i turn on the motion blur reduction. Are you really that susceptible to flickering?

[Levent]

15 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

Current OLED TV's don't have a backlight and thus no flickering. The current Samsung TV's flicker at 960Hz, which is not noticeable to anyone i know. I can only just barely notice the 60Hz flickering on my OLED TV when i turn on the motion blur reduction. Are you really that susceptible to flickering?

I am not sure, but my Mi A3 has a terrible PWM flicker despite being a "Super Amoled" device.

[p0tat0stix]

For me, definitely miniLED simply because I'm on PC and my fear of burn-in is real. I can't tell you how many times I've gone into the office in the morning only to notice that my monitor is still on because of some window that was left open. Wouldn't an OLED monitor have burn in after a few of these occurrences?

[Stahlmann]

12 minutes ago, p0tat0stix said:

For me, definitely miniLED simply because I'm on PC and my fear of burn-in is real. I can't tell you how many times I've gone into the office in the morning only to notice that my monitor is still on because of some window that was left open. Wouldn't an OLED monitor have burn in after a few of these occurrences?

No. Like i said above it's not something that happens overnight. It's something that happens cumulatively over a long period of time. Burn-in is describing pixels that have degraded over time. And the patterns you see are the pixels that were used most and degraded to a point where they can't get to the same brightness as the rest of the display.

 

If you know you have any type of OLED display hooked up to your PC just use a screen saver or auto standby and you won't have to fear forgetting about turning it off. LG's OLED TV's even have auto standby every 3 hours or so that can't be disabled so user error is taken out of the equasion.

 

There are a few more feature that reduce the risk of burn in, for example:

 

- Automatic detection and dimming of static logos and HUD (the lower the brightness, the lower the long term burn-in risk)

 

- The screen is shifting very slowly and only by a few pixels (not noticeable, prevents objects that are only a few pixels big like lines and dots from degrading the same pixels for a longer time)

 

 

Burn-in can be reduced and pretty much entirely avoided with very small changes in user behaviour.

[Doobeedoo]

I mean OLED is great but it's only on gigantic displays and MiniLED is still a FALD LCD also both in the end very expensive.

[Stahlmann]

2 hours ago, Doobeedoo said:

I mean OLED is great but it's only on gigantic displays and MiniLED is still a FALD LCD also both in the end very expensive.

LG released it's first 32" OLED monitor a short while ago. I'd say we're not that far away from getting OLED monitors with gaming features. Of course the price is something we don't know yet.

 

And 27" and 32" miniLED monitors are already on the market with the gaming ones also coming soon.

[jones177]

I bought LG OLEDs in 2019 and both are used as monitors. 

I have no interest in the MiniLEDs because none are G-sync compatible yet. 

 

[Doobeedoo]

57 minutes ago, Stahlmann said:

LG released it's first 32" OLED monitor a short while ago. I'd say we're not that far away from getting OLED monitors with gaming features. Of course the price is something we don't know yet.

 

And 27" and 32" miniLED monitors are already on the market with the gaming ones also coming soon.

That OLED is 60Hz

And the MiniLED monitors are insanely pricey though.

 

It will sadly take a while before we get away from LCD tech in monitor space, let alone nearly affordable prices.

[Mihle]

OLED for now until better MiniLED, or even MicroLED is the same price or less.

 

On 4k displays, I don't think one "zone" per pixel maybe will be needed. I haven't seen it, but if its for example one zone per 4 pixels, (2x2), it might be more than good enough.

[Stahlmann]

11 hours ago, Doobeedoo said:

That OLED is 60Hz

And the MiniLED monitors are insanely pricey though.

 

It will sadly take a while before we get away from LCD tech in monitor space, let alone nearly affordable prices.

MiniLED is also LCD, just a different backlight, but that's not what the topic is about.

 

It's about the choice between OLED and MiniLED in the current market.

 

3 hours ago, Mihle said:

OLED for now until better MiniLED, or even MicroLED is the same price or less.

 

On 4k displays, I don't think one "zone" per pixel maybe will be needed. I haven't seen it, but if its for example one zone per 4 pixels, (2x2), it might be more than good enough.

I don't see MiniLED coming anywhere close to even 1 zone per 4 pixels. That would still mean a 4K monitor would need around 2 million zones. If you compare that number to the current approx. 1100 zones that MiniLED monitors have. At the point where you have 2 million zones, i don't think it makes sense to use a backlight anymore. Then you're better off with self-emmissive technologies like OLED.

[Stahlmann]

11 hours ago, jones177 said:

I bought LG OLEDs in 2019 and both are used as monitors. 

I have no interest in the MiniLEDs because none are G-sync compatible yet. 

Samsung QN90A is G-Sync compatible afaik.

 

This is from the Rtings.com review: