10Gbe switch

[chuckthetekkie]

I am looking for at least a 10Gbe switch with at least 12 or more RJ-45 ports but I can’t even find one with 8 ports. They either use SFP+ connectors or only have 2-4 10Gbe ports.

 

I want this for my network backbone so each room gets its own 10Gbe connection. 

[Electronics Wizardy]

Whats your budget?

 

Can you go fiber? Id go fibre here, as its lower power, cheaper, lower latency, and the cables can handle much higher speeds.

 

But netgear has some reasonbly priced options, like this 12 port guyhttps://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-Ethernet-Lifetime-Protection-XS712Tv2/dp/B074V579V3 

[chuckthetekkie]

I’m having someone finally install internet cables to each room in our house. 
 

I know nothing about fiber. 
 

I have this switch that I bought by accident as I didn’t realize it used SFP and not RJ-45. 
 

Brocade EMC MP-8000B 32 Port Fibre Switch 

 

Would this work for fiber? 

[Electronics Wizardy]

Just now, chuckthetekkie said:

I’m having someone finally install internet cables to each room in our house. 
 

I know nothing about fiber. 
 

I have this switch that I bought by accident as I didn’t realize it used SFP and not RJ-45. 
 

Brocade EMC MP-8000B 32 Port Fibre Switch 

 

Would this work for fiber? 

Yea that switch would work here, but Id get a different switch as those are extremly loud and power hungry(I think around 200-400w) The mikrotik switches are pretty cheap and lower power + noise.

[Kilrah]

Sometimes getting an SFP+ switch and RJ45 modules comes out cheaper than one with built-in RJ45.

[Lurick]

3 minutes ago, chuckthetekkie said:

I’m having someone finally install internet cables to each room in our house. 
 

I know nothing about fiber. 
 

I have this switch that I bought by accident as I didn’t realize it used SFP and not RJ-45. 
 

Brocade EMC MP-8000B 32 Port Fibre Switch 

 

Would this work for fiber? 

There are 10G copper SFP+ you can buy BUT know they run hotter than fiber equivalents and as such require active cooling.

[chuckthetekkie]

My head hurts now. 
 

My plan was to get a 10Gbe switch so each room in our house had a dedicated 10Gbe to every other room. Each room was going to have a switch with 2x10Gbe ports and 8 or so 1Gig ports as almost everything uses Gigabit like consoles and such. 
 

I was going to have a NAS connected to the main switch. 
 

The main switch is what is going to be connected to the ISP modem. 
 

While I don’t have an unlimited budget, I will have quite a bit to retrofit the house. 

[Falcon1986]

@chuckthetekkie

 

 

 

Fiber was suggested because of the extent to which you want to supply all rooms with 10Gb and the fact that using ethernet with transceivers would generate a significant amount of heat. To link say 2 devices at 10Gbps, you can use Cat6/6A with transceivers, the heat would be manageable and you’d only need a 4-5 port 10Gb/SFP+ switch.

 

 

[jimm_eh]

2 hours ago, Kilrah said:

Sometimes getting an SFP+ switch and RJ45 modules comes out cheaper than one with built-in RJ45.

Indeed, that's what I ended up doing. SFP+ NICs and switches were much cheaper than RJ45 equivalents, so I went that way, with an RJ45 transceiver for the one QNAP server with that.

The one thing I'd be concerned about would be heat.  One RJ45 transceiver module in the passively cooled Mikrotik isn't too bad, and I'm almost never moving full 10gbit data between 4 nodes simultaneously - but if that happened, I'd be checking temps.

[chuckthetekkie]

1 hour ago, Falcon1986 said:

@chuckthetekkie

 

 

 

Fiber was suggested because of the extent to which you want to supply all rooms with 10Gb and the fact that using ethernet with transceivers would generate a significant amount of heat. To link say 2 devices at 10Gbps, you can use Cat6/6A with transceivers, the heat would be manageable and you’d only need a 4-5 port 10Gb/SFP+ switch.

 

 

I’m a bit confused what you mean by “transceivers”. The main backbone RJ-45 ported switch would be in same room as our cable modem with the NAS connected to the switch and then have cat 7 cables in the walls with one cable to each room that will have internet. 
 

 

 

[Kilrah]

The thing you plug into your switch's SFP+ cage. That may be a fiber transceiver, a permanently attached copper transceiver, one like below i.e. a transceiver with an RJ45 port...

 

https://www.amazon.com/10GBASE-T-Transceiver-Copper-Compatible-SFP-10G-T-S/dp/B06XQBFHNL

[chuckthetekkie]

On 5/22/2021 at 3:48 AM, Kilrah said:

The thing you plug into your switch's SFP+ cage. That may be a fiber transceiver, a permanently attached copper transceiver, one like below i.e. a transceiver with an RJ45 port...

 

https://www.amazon.com/10GBASE-T-Transceiver-Copper-Compatible-SFP-10G-T-S/dp/B06XQBFHNL

Now I get it.  Fiber can go inside walls right?  Can I use any fiber cables or are there ones rated for in wall use?  I assume I should use dual fiber cables, right?

 

I have so far 7 rooms that will have to be linked to the main switch as well as a ceiling mounted AP on the 2nd floor. I will have a dual 10G NAS also connected to the main switch.  I have 1.4Gbps internet and I want each room to have its own 10Gig connection for maximum speed to the NAS.  Each room can use a Gigabit Ethernet switch that has at least one 10Gig link to the 10Gig switch.

 

Right now I haven't decided where the internet modem will be as it will depend on whether or not more cable can be installed in the office room.  Otherwise it will be in the basement where the main ISP cable comes in.

[RasmusDC]

fiber can go i wall but are not easy to install. the chepeast 10GBE switch solution is from Mikrotik, so there you can get 4 port SFP+ switches cheap. (cheapish)

 

or else thiss

 

https://eu.store.ui.com/collections/unifi-network-routing-switching/products/unifi-flex-xg-beta

 

the switch XG is 5 RJ45 ports with 10GBE for a "decent" price.

 

i know D-link has the 8GBit, asus has a cheap 2 port 10gbit with 6 ports with 1000mbit

 

then you have to remember, if you want that, then you need a Tier 1 switch, a switch that can distribute 10gbe to all your switchen, so you do not just couple in after eachother. since the link then will be downgraded from switch to switch...

[chuckthetekkie]

I live in the US, not Europe.  I think something got lost in translation in your last sentences.

[Kilrah]

What matters is the switch model, not the particular store...

[Zomeguy]

I don't have the setup you're going for but I am using a MikroTik CRS305-1G-4S+IN with RJ45 tranceivers so something like this

 

https://www.amazon.ca/SFP-10G-T-Cisco-10GBase-T-Transceiver-30-Meters/dp/B07MM4VMB9

 

Which takes the 10G SFP+ port and converts it to a 10G RJ45 Port.

 

MikroTik stuff is pretty reasonably priced for 10G speed.

[Alex Atkin UK]

33 minutes ago, Zomeguy said:

I don't have the setup you're going for but I am using a MikroTik CRS305-1G-4S+IN with RJ45 tranceivers so something like this

 

https://www.amazon.ca/SFP-10G-T-Cisco-10GBase-T-Transceiver-30-Meters/dp/B07MM4VMB9

 

Which takes the 10G SFP+ port and converts it to a 10G RJ45 Port.

 

MikroTik stuff is pretty reasonably priced for 10G speed.

I hope you paid attention to the official documentation where it states you can only use TWO 10G RJ45 transceivers on that model due to a lack of active cooling and likely the power requirements too.

Its also not recommended to do so without active cooling.

[chuckthetekkie]

Took me long enough to see what I needed was literally staring me in the face.

 

I think I'm going to follow Linus' footsteps and use the MikroTik CRS312-4C+8XG-RM.  I finally realized what I wanted was in his video this whole time and it took me watching it 3 times before I saw what I needed was in the description.  8-Multi-Gig RJ-45 and 4 combo multi-gig ports is all I need for the main backbone switch.  

 

Thanks

 

EDIT: If I'm going to completely wire the whole house and I will have quite a bit of money to spend I may as well run both CAT 7 and Fiber to really future proof the house's network capabilities.  I may even go with TP-LINK's new multi-gig switch that has 8x2.5g and 2x10g SPF+ ports for each room so any gaming PCs can fully utilize our multi-gig internet connection of about 1.4Gbps which periodically the ISP increases the download speed for no extra charge.

Edited June 2, 2021 by chuckthetekkie

[Zomeguy]

On 5/28/2021 at 2:53 PM, Alex Atkin UK said:

I hope you paid attention to the official documentation where it states you can only use TWO 10G RJ45 transceivers on that model due to a lack of active cooling and likely the power requirements too.

Its also not recommended to do so without active cooling.

I read part of the manual but definitely not that part. Oops. Luckily I'm only running one RJ45 transceiver one fibre optic transceiver at the moment. Thanks for the heads up.