High temps and frame drops

[AAB]

Hi all

 

I have the following configuration:

 

Ryzen 5 3500

Galax 2060 Super

ASRock B450 Pro4

Corsair Vengeance LPX 2x8 3200Mhz

Cooler Master 550 watts

Cooler Master NR600(1 fan in the front 1 on the back)

 

The 2 fans are connected to motherboard fan headers and set to auto.

 

My problem is with high temps on the GPU and CPU when playing games like Witcher 3 or Battlefield 1 on High settings

I changed from 1440p to 1080p but the temps are still high and occasionally the frames drop from 100 to 30 or something...

 

The temps on the GPU are 82C when playing the game they stay between 68-80C. The CPU just stays stuck at 80C and has gone close to 85C, all cores run at 3.9Ghz at times. I have not attempted overclocking the GPU or CPU.

 

The CPU is close to a year old now should I sell it and get a 3600 or 5600X for better performance in games?

Should I add more fans and an after market cooler for my CPU ?

 

The idle temps of my CPU is around 58-60C.

GPU idle temps are 38-43C

 

 

 

[emosun]

Well the cpu is idling high for no usage. Are you blowing hot air through the machine or cool air.

[leclod]

You could change your cpu cooler or, and, add 2 fans to your case. Both are pretty cheap

 

Edit : sorry, I didn't see you proposed it

[AAB]

10 hours ago, emosun said:

Well the cpu is idling high for no usage. Are you blowing hot air through the machine or cool air.

Agreed but is the cpu a bottleneck when it comes to performance. Should I atleast get a 3600? 

 

let me check chech the arrows on the fans just to be sure the back one is indeed an exhaust fan.

 

 

[AAB]

10 hours ago, leclod said:

You could change your cpu cooler or, and, add 2 fans to your case. Both are pretty cheap

 

Edit : sorry, I didn't see you proposed it

Is the CPU causing frame drops cause of temps or is it just a week CPU

[leclod]

2 hours ago, AAB said:

Is the CPU causing frame drops cause of temps or is it just a week CPU

It could be temps more than it could weak cpu.

But it's weird with an atx case.

Does your exhaust fan indeed exhaust hot air ?

Do your fan curves go up ?

Me, I'd prefer 3 (or 2) intake fans to your config.

 

[AAB]

1 hour ago, leclod said:

It could be temps more than it could weak cpu.

But it's weird with an atx case.

Does your exhaust fan indeed exhaust hot air ?

Do your fan curves go up ?

Me, I'd prefer 3 (or 2) intake fans to your config.

 

I got this case after a gamers nexus review for good cooling.

 

Even I am wondering whether I screwed up while building the pc. May be committed some first time builder mistake let me chekc the fan on case may be I put them wrongly.

 

 

[leclod]

Me, with your case I'd buy 3 140mm fans right away.

Not because I need it, because I can.

 

I'd try to get one of those cheap Arctic 5* P14 (or F14) packs

[Kadzo]

Did you try re pasting and cleaning off the PC?

It can be as simple as clogging the vents etc.

[leclod]

16 minutes ago, Kadzo said:

Did you try re pasting and cleaning off the PC?

It can be as simple as clogging the vents etc.

And the cooler fins are sometimes nasty.

But "one year old", it can't be bad

[Mark Kaine]

FWIW i put my fans the "wrong" way too when i built my pc, but I put *all* fans the wrong way so cooling wasnt actually bad at all lol...

 

But yeah, you prob need better cooling , 2-3 front intake, 1 rear out should be enough . CPU cooler maybe but stock AMD fan should be sufficient if not overclocking.

 

Generally, the more fans the better ! 

 

[SamClan]

20 hours ago, AAB said:

Battlefield 1

FPS drops you said, go and play a few rounds of BF1 while doing so open your ingame console ^ should be that button, directly left of the 1 key. type

perfoverlay.drawgraph 

that will give you a graph that shows you where, gpu or cpu, your drops are coming from. 

 

Do you got a stock cooler for cpu? The stock cooler isn't very good. 

Furthermore test your CPU Temps only with ryzen master. HwMonitor for example shows a higher Temperature of at least 5 Degrees at my System at Idle. 

 

95° Celsius GPU is a problem 82 degrees Celsius is not 

CPU: Maximum operating temperature 95°C

 

your graphic-card wants Minimum 550W or greater system power supply - keep that in mind. 

 

 

 

 

[leclod]

17 hours ago, SamClan said:

your graphic-card wants Minimum 550W or greater system power supply - keep that in mind. 

 

The common psu calculators out there recommend 350W. I believe 550W is pretty right for that sweet spot on the psu efficiency curve. 

[SamClan]

On 5/19/2021 at 10:08 AM, leclod said:

The common psu calculators out there recommend 350W. I believe 550W is pretty right for that sweet spot on the psu efficiency curve. 

I was looking at the Galax Homepage and they say at least 550 W for a normal system. I am just not a fan of just going for the minimum speccs. w

[leclod]

44 minutes ago, SamClan said:

I was looking at the Galax Homepage and they say at least 550 W for a normal system. I am just not a fan of just going for the minimum speccs. w

That would be a weird statement, a link would be nice. What is a normal system, yours or mine ?

For example, without  a dedicated gpu (vast majority of pcs worldwide) the pc (most) needs less than 200W.

 

In this particular case 550W isn't minimum specs.

 

Edit : and I meant "The common psu calculators out there recommend 350W for this system"

 

[SamClan]

https://www.galax.com/en/graphics-card/galax-geforce-rtx-2060-super-ex-1click.html

scrool down 

go to 

REQUIREMENT

3. Minimum 550W or greater system power supply

 

what is a normal system yeah that is a good question. 

[AAB]

This is getting scary of its a PSU issue not sure how much I can sell this for and get a 650 or 750 watt I may need to replace the UPS as well.. , I have looked lockdown here so cant clean the pc or get additional fans.

 

As of now can only check the fans are in wrong config.

 

@SamClan I am running the game at1440p should I try at 1080p??

 

I will try the perfgraph suggestion, and yes I have stock cooler. I am looking at a Noctua cooler something thats not too big..

 

Also thinking about swapping the CPU with a 5600X?

 

Is it a bad idea considering my PSU?

 

[leclod]

2 hours ago, SamClan said:

https://www.galax.com/en/graphics-card/galax-geforce-rtx-2060-super-ex-1click.html

Ok, fair enough

[leclod]

32 minutes ago, AAB said:

As of now can only check the fans are in wrong config.

You must be the slowest fan checker in the world

[SamClan]

11 hours ago, AAB said:

This is getting scary of its a PSU issue not sure how much I can sell this for and get a 650 or 750 watt I may need to replace the UPS as well.. , I have looked lockdown here so cant clean the pc or get additional fans.

 

As of now can only check the fans are in wrong config.

 

@SamClan I am running the game at1440p should I try at 1080p??

 

I will try the perfgraph suggestion, and yes I have stock cooler. I am looking at a Noctua cooler something thats not too big..

 

Also thinking about swapping the CPU with a 5600X?

 

Is it a bad idea considering my PSU?

 

5600x takes less energy, that shouldn't be the problem. 

it is more likely your motherboard has a problem with the 5600x instead of the PSU. 

But why get a 5600x the 3600x is pretty capable and if you play at 1440p the "bottleneck" should be your GPU 

 

BUT first you have to figure out where the problems are coming from. 

 

 

 

11 hours ago, AAB said:

I am running the game at1440p should I try at 1080p??

Run your game normally to figure out where the problem is coming from perfgraph command. 

but yes you could try around. you should also try to figure out how to trigger those fps drops. and if you are able to play with the settings. 

 

 

 

 

 

[AAB]

5 hours ago, SamClan said:

5600x takes less energy, that shouldn't be the problem. 

it is more likely your motherboard has a problem with the 5600x instead of the PSU. 

But why get a 5600x the 3600x is pretty capable and if you play at 1440p the "bottleneck" should be your GPU 

 

BUT first you have to figure out where the problems are coming from. 

 

 

 

Run your game normally to figure out where the problem is coming from perfgraph command. 

but yes you could try around. you should also try to figure out how to trigger those fps drops. and if you are able to play with the settings. 

 

 

 

 

 

The ASRock B450Pro4 supports 5600x adter Bios flash, and has good vrm cooling based on reviews, it shoyld handle the 5600X fine right?

[SamClan]

5 hours ago, AAB said:

The ASRock B450Pro4 supports 5600x adter Bios flash, and has good vrm cooling based on reviews, it shoyld handle the 5600X fine right?

nothing speaks against it. was not sure if every b450 board gets the bios update for the "new" ryzens. 

[AAB]

I tried perfgraph the CPU has a few large spikes and frames drop during that time, the GPU just does not seem to be doing much, Its the cpu having big spikes. Is this due to the CPU running at high temps or is the CPU bottlenecking the GPU?

 

The spikes dont happen frequently, they just happen a few times but the frames can drop as low as 25 fps.