Haswell i3 vs FX-6300

[Quack]

I'm helping a friend build on a budget of about 500-600, and was wondering whether a Haswell i3 or an AMD FX-6300 would be more "future-proof," for at least 4 years.

 

I know that the i3 will have more per-core performance, but an FX-6300 also has 6 cores.

 

What do you guys think? 

[FloRolf]

I'd go 6300. Just make sure to get some aftermarket cooler though.

[Guest]

fx 6300! 

[PassionFruit]

Go with the FX-6300.

[Prokart2000]

fx 6300 with hyper 212 evo

[Wiflare]

the fx-6300 would actually probably perform better.
edit: got misinformation from a source, removed lies.

[SkilledRebuilds]

Media center usage - i3

Gaming center usage - 6300

Video Encoding usage - 6300

[KamiKatze]

I recommended my friend the 6300 for a build with the same budget yesterday. Combined with y 212 EVO ofc. -> OC to 4 GHz at least.

[kuzimins]

i3

[RatedBlam]

the fx-6300 would actually probably perform better.

consider the athlon x4 760k, it's the same processor but with no igpu.

edit: it's also cheaper.

the Athlon quite clearly is 4 core opposed to 6.

And neither of those cpus have iGPUs

[Demolishdude]

FX-6300 is a boss. Get a Cooler master 212 EVO to go with it. I will tell you from personal experience, the stock fan that is with the 6300 sucks beyond imagination.

[Faa]

For gaming: i3
To waste lots of power with no proper purpose: 6300

[fringie]

4 years is a long time especially for a low end cpu. The haswell i3's have HT (prev generations didn't) but the 6300 will be better. Tell your friend to get a second hand higher tiered cpu. i3/6300 for 4 years won't fair very well unless they only do browsing and things of that intensity.

[Sonefiler]

Neither. With 500-600 you should be getting an APU, or maybe an Athlon x4 760K

[RatedBlam]

4 years is a long time especially for a low end cpu. The haswell i3's have HT (prev generations didn't) but the 6300 will be better. Tell your friend to get a second hand higher tiered cpu. i3/6300 for 4 years won't fair very well unless they only do browsing and things of that intensity.

Afaik all the i3s have had hyperthreading implemented.

But to voice my opinion my phenom II is still fine for basic gaming and that was introduced in 2008. So I feel that the 6300 might be a better option as multi-threading implementation get better and better.

[fringie]

Afaik all the i3s have had hyperthreading implemented.

But to voice my opinion my phenom II is still fine for basic gaming and that was introduced in 2008. So I feel that the 6300 might be a better option as multi-threading implementation get better and better.

Ooh my bad, your right.

[TechFan@ic]

I am an extremely pragmatic person.
So I'll just list the relevant facts for you and allow you to make your own educated decision.

The FX 6300 has 3 Piledriver modules each contains two cores, for a total of six cores.
The i3 4130 has 2 Haswell cores, each capable of executing 2 threads simultaneously, however the second thread only operates at a fraction of the main thread's throughput.
One Piledriver module roughly equals one Haswell core and a bit in total throughput, so a three module processor like the FX 6300 is going to be significantly faster than the i3 4130 in any multi-core workload.
This includes compression & decompression, video & audio format conversions (transcoding), productivity, gameplay recording & most relatively modern video games.

The FX 6300 is also unlocked so you can overclock it to match a quadcore Haswel i5 in total throughput.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+FX-6350+Six-Core
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i5-4570+%40+3.20GHz

There are two areas where the i3 has a distinct advantage over the FX 6300 which are single-threaded performance & power consumption, the latter is of no significance what so ever on the desktop.
The first used to be an important factor for performance in single-threaded applications and single-threaded games, both of which are rapidly decreasing in number today.
The i3 also has integrated graphics which the FX 6300 lacks, however if your friend is going to be using a dedicated video card for gaming the integrated graphics portion will be automatically disabled.
In any modern video game or application the FX 6300 is going to be faster & since your friend has longevity as a priority for the processor the FX 6300 will certainly trump the i3 in that regard.
 

[Faa]

In any modern video game or application the FX 6300 is going to be faster & since your friend has longevity as a priority for the processor the FX 6300 will certainly trump the i3 in that regard.

Stop spreading misinformation like this. The 6300 would only perform better in a game that can take advantage of more than 4 cores, but there are only a few so the i3 is definitely the best choice for gaming.

The i3 is even better than a 8350 in many games:

1. http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/radek/2013/i3hsw/wykresy/civ5_1920.png

2. http://www.hardwarepal.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/1920x1080-Very-Low-Thief-CPU-Benchmark.jpg

3. http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i3-4340-4330-4130_5.html#sect0

4. http://pclab.pl/art55953-3.html

5. http://gamegpu.ru/images/stories/Test_GPU/Action/Saints%20Row%20IV/test/sr4%20proz.jpg

6. http://gamegpu.ru/images/remote/http--www.gamegpu.ru-images-stories-Test_GPU-MMO-World_of_Tanks_0.8.10-wot_proze_3.jpg

7. http://hardwarepal.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/ARMA-3-CPU-Benchmark.jpg

8. http://hardwarepal.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Planetside-2-average-frametimes.jpg

And lets see it from a price/performance perspective with a fx 6350@4.5GHz: http://hardwarepal.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Average-CPU-Performance-Value.jpg

Not only the i3 performs better, but it's price/performance ratio is better.

[Hipstair]

Definitely go the FX-6300. It'll destroy the i3 in games and everyday tasks. Be sure to get something like the Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO. It'll be quieter that the stock cooler, and you can overclock your FX-6300 a little bit.

[LukaP]

Stop spreading misinformation like this. The 6300 would only perform better in a game that can take advantage of more than 4 cores, but there are only a few so the i3 is definitely the best choice for gaming.

The i3 is even better than a 8350 in many games:

1. http://pclab.pl/zdjecia/artykuly/radek/2013/i3hsw/wykresy/civ5_1920.png

2. http://www.hardwarepal.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/1920x1080-Very-Low-Thief-CPU-Benchmark.jpg

3. http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i3-4340-4330-4130_5.html#sect0

4. http://pclab.pl/art55953-3.html

5. http://gamegpu.ru/images/stories/Test_GPU/Action/Saints%20Row%20IV/test/sr4%20proz.jpg

6. http://gamegpu.ru/images/remote/http--www.gamegpu.ru-images-stories-Test_GPU-MMO-World_of_Tanks_0.8.10-wot_proze_3.jpg

7. http://hardwarepal.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/ARMA-3-CPU-Benchmark.jpg

8. http://hardwarepal.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Planetside-2-average-frametimes.jpg

And lets see it from a price/performance perspective with a fx 6350@4.5GHz: http://hardwarepal.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Average-CPU-Performance-Value.jpg

Not only the i3 performs better, but it's price/performance ratio is better.

he needs it to be better in 4 years too... and by then games will be many cores optimised, hence rendering the i3 worse than the 6300

[Faa]

he needs it to be better in 4 years too... and by then games will be many cores optimised, hence rendering the i3 worse than the 6300

With 30% more multithreading performance you're not going to make your "futureclaim"

I'm only hearing "if if if" well I can do it as well; make a game better optimized to take better advantage of HT that can bring a 100% performance gain that should blow a 6300 away.

[LukaP]

With 30% more multithreading performance you're not going to make your "futureclaim"

I'm only hearing "if if if" well I can do it as well; make a game better optimized to take better advantage of HT that can bring a 100% performance gain that should blow a 6300 away.

but noone will optimise for only intels HT, when they can jsut optimise for more cores... and give me a source where the i3 at same clocks as the 6300 beats it in multithreaded operation

[Faa]

but noone will optimise for only intels HT, when they can jsut optimise for more cores... and give me a source where the i3 at same clocks as the 6300 beats it in multithreaded operation

Which is a lot more tricky and its extremely rare to see. You get double performance if you have two threads with one thread using the alu only and the other the FPU, instead of doing it in 2 cycles (with no HT) you can do it within a single cycle so thats a 100% gain.

Still a 6300 isn't more futureproof than an i3 or are you going to claim an i7 is more futureproof than an i5? No.

[LukaP]

Which is a lot more tricky and its extremely rare to see. You get double performance if you have two threads with one thread using the alu only and the other the FPU, instead of doing it in 2 cycles (with no HT) you can do it within a single cycle so thats a 100% gain.

Still a 6300 isn't more futureproof than an i3 or are you going to claim an i7 is more futureproof than an i5? No.

yes i would, but not by much... since it can execute more threads at the same time

 

then again, im still not seeing any benchmarks showing the clock for clock superiority of the i3

[Faa]

yes i would, but not by much... since it can execute more threads at the same time

They can execute the same amount of threads, but the 6300 will be faster eg gaming+streaming

 

 

then again, im still not seeing any benchmarks showing the clock for clock superiority of the i3

What do you mean?