Upgrading my motherboard, is it necessary/beneficial?

[alexinho2_]

So i’m gonna be putting in my 3070 into my pc. I currently have a b450 pro vdh max paired with a ryzen 7 3700x. I’m thinking of upgrading but have had mixed answers. some say I should be fine with this motherboard. Others says i should upgrade. what would be most beneficial? I was planning on upgrading to the B550 gaming plus from MSI btw. 

[Omar.B]

@alexinho2_ I see no point from upgrading the board unless you wanna upgrade your cpu in the future then this board (b550 gaming plus) will be a good choice , what is your budget and the other components ? 

[Satan_Prometheus]

Your current motherboard isn't going to hold back the performance of the 3070 in any way so I don't see the point in upgrading unless you're also planning to change something else.

[tdkid]

are you or are you planning to overclock? if so the B series motherboards can not do it.

[alexinho2_]

6 hours ago, Omar.B said:

@alexinho2_ I see no point from upgrading the board unless you wanna upgrade your cpu in the future then this board (b550 gaming plus) will be a good choice , what is your budget and the other components ? 

i have a ryzen 7 3700x 16gb ddr4 3200 ram, i will be upgrading from a 500w psu to a corsair rm750 psu and 

[alexinho2_]

3 hours ago, tdkid said:

are you or are you planning to overclock? if so the B series motherboards can not do it.

no i am not, i am just planning on leaving it stock 

[alexinho2_]

6 hours ago, Satan_Prometheus said:

Your current motherboard isn't going to hold back the performance of the 3070 in any way so I don't see the point in upgrading unless you're also planning to change something else.

not really, just the psu but i know that has nothing to do with it, i just thought i needed to since i saw my b450 would be gen 3 pcie but i’ve had other people tell me i wouldn’t need the upgrade that there isn’t a significant difference 

[MadAnt250]

8 hours ago, alexinho2_ said:

some say I should be fine

It will be fine.

3 hours ago, tdkid said:

are you or are you planning to overclock? if so the B series motherboards can not do it.

What! That is not true.

[Omar.B]

6 hours ago, alexinho2_ said:

i have a ryzen 7 3700x 16gb ddr4 3200 ram, i will be upgrading from a 500w psu to a corsair rm750 psu and 

Yes this is a better choice to upgrade and do you have a cpu cooler?

[tdkid]

7 hours ago, alexinho2_ said:

no i am not, i am just planning on leaving it stock 

ok, then you shouldnt have a problem upgrading from one board to another as the B450 and B550 both use the AM4 socket so there is no need to get another CPU.

 

 

 

7 hours ago, MadAnt250 said:

 

What! That is not true.

it actually is. with the MSI B series motherboards you can not normally overclock the board to increase the limits on things so you can not increase them individually very much. if you are not aware, MSI does a livestream on youtube, twitch and a few other sites usually on Wed. around 11am east coast USA time (add or subtract time for your local time). come to the stream and ask them if the B series can be overclocked.

[Satan_Prometheus]

2 hours ago, tdkid said:

it actually is. with the MSI B series motherboards you can not normally overclock the board to increase the limits on things so you can not increase them individually very much. if you are not aware, MSI does a livestream on youtube, twitch and a few other sites usually on Wed. around 11am east coast USA time (add or subtract time for your local time). come to the stream and ask them if the B series can be overclocked.

I think you're confusing Intel B series boards (which generally do not support overclocking) with AMD B series boards (which do support overclocking). B450 and B550 both support overclocking.

 

11 hours ago, alexinho2_ said:

not really, just the psu but i know that has nothing to do with it, i just thought i needed to since i saw my b450 would be gen 3 pcie but i’ve had other people tell me i wouldn’t need the upgrade that there isn’t a significant difference 

PCIe Gen 4 has a higher theoretical bandwidth limit than PCIe Gen 3, but cards like the 3070 do not need the extra bandwidth provided by PCIe Gen 4 in order to perform to their potential as Gen 3 still has enough bandwidth to support them.

 

It's kind of like if you were driving a car with a maximum speed of 100 miles per hour, and you have two possible roads that you could take. One of them has a speed limit of 120 miles per hour (hell yeah!) and the other has a speed limit of 200 miles per hour. It doesn't matter which road you drive on, because your car can only go 100 miles per hour, so the fastest you will go on either road is 100 miles per hour regardless of the speed limit.

[Blue4130]

3 hours ago, tdkid said:

ok, then you shouldnt have a problem upgrading from one board to another as the B450 and B550 both use the AM4 socket so there is no need to get another CPU.

 

 

 

it actually is. with the MSI B series motherboards you can not normally overclock the board to increase the limits on things so you can not increase them individually very much. if you are not aware, MSI does a livestream on youtube, twitch and a few other sites usually on Wed. around 11am east coast USA time (add or subtract time for your local time). come to the stream and ask them if the B series can be overclocked.

My B550 mortar begs to differ. 

[alexinho2_]

13 hours ago, Omar.B said:

Yes this is a better choice to upgrade and do you have a cpu cooler?

yes i do i have the cooler master ml240l cpu cooler 

[alexinho2_]

9 hours ago, Satan_Prometheus said:

I think you're confusing Intel B series boards (which generally do not support overclocking) with AMD B series boards (which do support overclocking). B450 and B550 both support overclocking.

 

PCIe Gen 4 has a higher theoretical bandwidth limit than PCIe Gen 3, but cards like the 3070 do not need the extra bandwidth provided by PCIe Gen 4 in order to perform to their potential as Gen 3 still has enough bandwidth to support them.

 

It's kind of like if you were driving a car with a maximum speed of 100 miles per hour, and you have two possible roads that you could take. One of them has a speed limit of 120 miles per hour (hell yeah!) and the other has a speed limit of 200 miles per hour. It doesn't matter which road you drive on, because your car can only go 100 miles per hour, so the fastest you will go on either road is 100 miles per hour regardless of the speed limit.

ahh okok i get it. Makes sense, thanks for the analogy. 

[Mister Woof]

I'd only upgrade if you plan to need PCIE4 storage. 

[-rascal-]

12 hours ago, tdkid said:

ok, then you shouldnt have a problem upgrading from one board to another as the B450 and B550 both use the AM4 socket so there is no need to get another CPU.

 

 

 

it actually is. with the MSI B series motherboards you can not normally overclock the board to increase the limits on things so you can not increase them individually very much. if you are not aware, MSI does a livestream on youtube, twitch and a few other sites usually on Wed. around 11am east coast USA time (add or subtract time for your local time). come to the stream and ask them if the B series can be overclocked.

 

Intel B-series =/= AMD B-series.

 

ALL B350 / B450 / B550 chipset based motherboards support overclocking.

The only AMD chipset that does not support it is the A-series (i.e. A320, A520).

 

 

 

 

The MSi B550 Gaming Plus user manual even mentions the OC menu in the BIOS....

[tdkid]

9 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

 

Intel B-series =/= AMD B-series.

 

ALL B350 / B450 / B550 chipset based motherboards support overclocking.

The only AMD chipset that does not support it is the A-series (i.e. A320, A520).

 

 

 

 

no i am not. for the 3 of you who answered that they do. i suggest you join in the MSI livesteam next week on youtube or twitch and ask them yourselves. and look at what you posted rascal. AMD says you will void the warrant if you overclock.

 

[Blue4130]

4 minutes ago, tdkid said:

no i am not. 

Here is the B550 tomahawk bios. I see lots of overclocking options under the OC tab. 

[tdkid]

1 minute ago, Blue4130 said:

Here is the B550 mortar bios. I see lots of overclocking options under the OC tab. 

and i see that you have will have voided youre warranty if you have overclocked going by what rascal has posted.

[Blue4130]

Just now, tdkid said:

and i see that you have will have voided youre warranty if you have overclocked going by what rascal has posted.

Nobody is talking warranty, the issue is you said overclocking was not possible which is false. 

[tdkid]

3 minutes ago, Blue4130 said:

Nobody is talking warranty, the issue is you said overclocking was not possible which is false. 

Intel B-series motherboard B560 and Z590 support overclocking | by Sajjad Hussain | God Hardware | Medium

[Blue4130]

Just now, tdkid said:

Intel B-series motherboard B560 and Z590 support overclocking | by Sajjad Hussain | God Hardware | Medium

Why are you bringing Intel into this? You said overclocking was not possible on b series amd boards. That is factually wrong. 

[tdkid]

5 minutes ago, Blue4130 said:

Why are you bringing Intel into this? You said overclocking was not possible on b series amd boards. That is factually wrong. 

i am done explaining it.

[Blue4130]

7 minutes ago, tdkid said:

i am done explaining it.

To be fair, you haven't explained anything. 

[tdkid]

Just now, Blue4130 said:

To be fair, you haven't explained anything. 

to be fair. i am done because i dont want this to turn into another time that i have to prove my side is right going back 20+ years and the other person goes "no its not" providing no proof what so ever or wikipedia as proof and going "my side is right because i say so". there have been too many times i have done this that i just stop doing it because its BS.

 

now this has  gone off topic but the people at the MSI livestream agree with me. if youy want to ask them yourself, then come watch one of their streams. its uisually on Wed. at 10-11am east coast USA time.