Would a 10900K work on this build?

[Pixelfie]

A friend offered me a great deal where I can get a 10900K for €200. I know I should upgrade my cooler, which will happen if this would work. I also know that the GPU is already a bottleneck here, but I will upgrade as soon as the market gets better.

My current build:

ASRock B460M Pro4

i5-10400F + stock cooler (will be upgraded if this CPU would work)

Sapphire Pulse RX 5500 XT 4GB

16GB DDR4 3200 HyperX Fury RGB

Antec DP301M + 1 exhaust (will add 2 intakes)

600W Be Quiet! PSU

 

[curiousmind34]

2 minutes ago, Pixelfie said:

A friend offered me a great deal where I can get a 10900K for €200. I know I should upgrade my cooler, which will happen if this would work. I also know that the GPU is already a bottleneck here, but I will upgrade as soon as the market gets better.

My current build:

ASRock B460M Pro4

i5-10400F + stock cooler (will be upgraded if this CPU would work)

Sapphire Pulse RX 5500 XT 4GB

16GB DDR4 3200 HyperX Fury RGB

Antec DP301M + 1 exhaust (will add 2 intakes)

600W Be Quiet! PSU

 

If by work you mean compatible, definitely. You are already aware of the bottlenecks, and 200 euros is a great price.

[--SID--]

VRM of B460M Pro4 is not sufficient for 10900K.

[curiousmind34]

2 minutes ago, --SID-- said:

VRM of B460M Pro4 is not sufficient for 10900K.

I'd disagree
Dawid Does Tech Stuff made a vid of putting a 10900k on a terrible h410 motherboard 

That had around a 10% performance decrease. Pixelfie's motherboard has a significantly better vrm than the one in the video, and while the vrm is not ideal I wouldn't call it a dealbreaker.

[-rascal-]

2 minutes ago, --SID-- said:

VRM of B460M Pro4 is not sufficient for 10900K.

 

This...and... you SHOULDN'T pair a i9-10900K with a B460 motherboard anyways.

 

Will also need a new CPU cooler for the i9-10900K, as it does not include one.

The stock cooler of the i5-10400F will also beg for mercy trying to cool a i9-10900K.

 

 

[Entropy.]

17 minutes ago, Pixelfie said:

A friend offered me a great deal where I can get a 10900K for €200. I know I should upgrade my cooler, which will happen if this would work. I also know that the GPU is already a bottleneck here, but I will upgrade as soon as the market gets better.

My current build:

ASRock B460M Pro4

i5-10400F + stock cooler (will be upgraded if this CPU would work)

Sapphire Pulse RX 5500 XT 4GB

16GB DDR4 3200 HyperX Fury RGB

Antec DP301M + 1 exhaust (will add 2 intakes)

600W Be Quiet! PSU

 

Consulting this: LGA1200 VRM list - Google Sheets
as well as some other resources, I highly doubt that you'd be able to run a 10900k under load, at least well on that motherboard. If it can't even run on the b460m pro4's big brother, then, well. You'd also really want a new cooler. The stock cooler would technically work, but It's just not enough.  

[Pixelfie]

9 minutes ago, --SID-- said:

VRM of B460M Pro4 is not sufficient for 10900K.

 

2 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

 

This...and... you SHOULDN'T pair a i9-10900K with a B460 motherboard anyways.

 

Will also need a new CPU cooler for the i9-10900K, as it does not include one.

The stock cooler of the i5-10400F will also beg for mercy trying to cool a i9-10900K.

 

 

He offered the CPU and a Gigabyte Z490M Gaming X for €285. Would this be better? As for the cooler, I will be upgrading it. Also, do I really need water cooling or will a decent air cooler be fine?

[-rascal-]

8 minutes ago, Pixelfie said:

 

He offered the CPU and a Gigabyte Z490M Gaming X for €285. Would this be better? As for the cooler, I will be upgrading it. Also, do I really need water cooling or will a decent air cooler be fine?

 

Yes, the Z490M Gaming X is a much better motherboard, BY FAR.

11 + 1 phase VRM design with decent cooling over the VRMs.

Not as good as the Gigabyte Aorus line-up, but Tom's Hardware was able to hold a 5.2GHz overclock with their i9-10900K sample running that board.

Running the i9-10900K at stock or with a mild overclock (e.g. 4.6 GHz ~ 5.0 GHz all-core OC) shouldn't be an issue

 

https://www.tomshardware.com/features/budget-micro-atx-z490-motherboards-tested/3

Quote

Gigabyte’s page for this board mentions an 11+1 phase setup. You get an Intersil ISL69629 controller (X+Y+Z=12), which feeds OnSemiconductor 4C10N (47A) on the high side and 4C06N (67A) on the low side. While this isn’t a more expensive DrMOS setup where the high and low sides are combined, it still handled our Intel Core i9-10900K at stock and our 5.2 GHz overclock. That said, it ran hot while overclocked, though well within its operating range.

 

You'll need either a high-end air cooler, or a 240mm / 280mm AIO.

Those 10-cores / 20-threads can run hot -- and even more so when overclocked.

 

Intel rates the chip as "95W" but reviews show the CPU can be 250W+ when overclocked to 5.0+ GHz.

So much for the "95W" rating....

[unclewebb]

20 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

Intel rates the chip as "95W"

The Intel TDP rating is measured with turbo boost disabled. This rating is accurate but completely irrelevant.

 

The 10900K has a 125W TDP rating.

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/199332/intel-core-i9-10900k-processor-20m-cache-up-to-5-30-ghz.html

 

22 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

the CPU can be 250W+

That is correct. They can go over 300W. An AIO is definitely recommended if you want to get maximum performance out of a 10900K.

Power consumption of 10 cores with 14 nm technology is a little obscene. Maybe that is why Intel is limiting the new Rocket Lake refresh to 8 cores. 

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, unclewebb said:

The Intel TDP rating is measured with turbo boost disabled. This rating is accurate but completely irrelevant.

 

100% accurate.

Same for AMD FTW

 

[Pixelfie]

4 minutes ago, unclewebb said:

The Intel TDP rating is measured with turbo boost disabled. This rating is accurate but completely irrelevant.

 

The 10900K has a 125W TDP rating.

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/199332/intel-core-i9-10900k-processor-20m-cache-up-to-5-30-ghz.html

 

That is correct. They can go over 300W. An AIO is definitely recommended if you want to get maximum performance out of a 10900K.

Power consumption of 10 cores with 14 nm technology is a little obscene. Maybe that is why Intel is limiting the new Rocket Lake refresh to 8 cores. 

Since you said it can go over 300W, should I also just upgrade the PSU? It's only 600w and I want to upgrade the GPU later on.

[-rascal-]

24 minutes ago, unclewebb said:

The Intel TDP rating is measured with turbo boost disabled. This rating is accurate but completely irrelevant.

 

The 10900K has a 125W TDP rating.

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/199332/intel-core-i9-10900k-processor-20m-cache-up-to-5-30-ghz.html

 

That is correct. They can go over 300W. An AIO is definitely recommended if you want to get maximum performance out of a 10900K.

Power consumption of 10 cores with 14 nm technology is a little obscene. Maybe that is why Intel is limiting the new Rocket Lake refresh to 8 cores. 

 

That is true, the factory rating is with Turbo Boost off, and Multi-Core Enhancement (MCE) disabled.

 

Whoops, forgot the 10900K is 125W vs the 10700K / 10600K. 

 

18 minutes ago, Pixelfie said:

Since you said it can go over 300W, should I also just upgrade the PSU? It's only 600w and I want to upgrade the GPU later on.

 

If you are going to stick with the 5600 XT for the time being, 600W should be enough.

However, if you decide to go with like a RTX 3070, or RX 5700 XT / 6700 XT / 6800 / 6800 XT, consider a 750W.

Then RTX 3080 / 3090 or RX 6900 XT, consider a ~850W.

 

[Pixelfie]

3 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

 

That is true, the factory rating is with Turbo Boost off, and Multi-Core Enhancement (MCE) disabled.

 

Whoops, forgot the 10900K is 125W vs the 10700K / 10600K. 

 

 

If you are going to stick with the 5600 XT for the time being, 600W should be enough.

However, if you decide to go with like a RTX 3070, or RX 5700 XT / 6700 XT / 6800 / 6800 XT, consider a 750W.

Then RTX 3080 / 3090 or RX 6900 XT, consider a ~850W.

 

Then I'm gonna stick to the 600w for now. Will upgrade the PSU when I get a new GPU later, but don't know yet what the prices, options and budget will be like then.

[unclewebb]

3 minutes ago, -rascal- said:

vs the 10700K

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/199335/intel-core-i7-10700k-processor-16m-cache-up-to-5-10-ghz.html

 

The 10700K also has a 125W TDP rating.

13 minutes ago, Pixelfie said:

it can go over 300W

You can adjust the maximum power consumption to whatever your power supply can handle. You do not have to run it fully overclocked.

[-rascal-]

2 minutes ago, unclewebb said:

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/199335/intel-core-i7-10700k-processor-16m-cache-up-to-5-10-ghz.html

 

The 10700K also has a 125W TDP rating.

You can adjust the maximum power consumption to whatever your power supply can handle. You do not have to run it fully overclocked.

 

Oof, I looked at the 'Configurable TDP-down' value.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, curiousmind34 said:

I'd disagree
Dawid Does Tech Stuff made a vid of putting a 10900k on a terrible h410 motherboard 

That had around a 10% performance decrease. Pixelfie's motherboard has a significantly better vrm than the one in the video, and while the vrm is not ideal I wouldn't call it a dealbreaker.

The Z490 version of the Pro 4 can't handle a stock 10900K when running Blender. It even struggles with an overclocked i5 10600K. Sure the cpu might not run as hot if he is just gaming but I would definitely want a fan over the VRM if running the B460M board. 

 

 

[curiousmind34]

20 minutes ago, lee32uk said:

The Z490 version of the Pro 4 can't handle a stock 10900K when running Blender. It even struggles with an overclocked i5 10600K. Sure the cpu might not run as hot if he is just gaming but I would definitely want a fan over the VRM if running the B460M board. 

 

 

alright yeah, you’re right

[--SID--]

6 hours ago, Pixelfie said:

should I also just upgrade the PSU? It's only 600w

Make and model of the psu?

[Pixelfie]

3 hours ago, --SID-- said:

Make and model of the psu?

Be Quiet System Power 9 600w

[--SID--]

Not great for that hardware. Low quality and kind of aged platform with double forward on the primary side.