If RTX 3000 cards are better in DLSS+RayTracing does that mean team red not worth buying for gaming ?

[Anas Dweik]

i saw a lot of reviews , when dlss and raytracing are on ryx cards are much better than AMDs cards does that mean they are bad or not worth buying ?

 

for example 6900 xt has lower performance than the 3080 in Dlss + RT. 

what do you think guys? is dlss and RT a scale to buy the cards these dayS?

[Chris Fortune]

In short No

but if you want to make use of DLSS then maybe, personally whilst RT is better it is far from being usable yet so I would not base a purchase on that in any way.

[xg32]

DLSS is required in cyberpunk 2077, but other than that the amd cards this gen blows nvidia out of the water, as the AIB 6900xt cards are binned and will clock way higher, can't go wrong this gen, i'm waiting on a 3080ti, i know multiple friends that are waiting on a zen 3+6900xt build.

 

rtx 4000 series rumors indicate that nvidia's going all out to take the crown back next gen, think a 50-60% jump is believable given how low ampere clocks are,  so waiting is also an option.

[Anas Dweik]

1 minute ago, xg32 said:

DLSS is required in cyberpunk 2077, but other than that the amd cards this gen blows nvidia out of the water, as the AIB 6900xt cards are binned and will clock way higher, can't go wrong this gen, i'm waiting on a 3080ti, i know multiple friends that are waiting on a zen 3+6900xt build.

 

rtx 4000 series rumors indicate that nvidia's going all out to take the crown back next gen, so waiting is also an option.

i dont think 6900xt is worth to buy for gaming when u have 3080 , dont you think so ?

 

[LIGISTX]

4 minutes ago, Anas Dweik said:

i saw a lot of reviews , when dlss and raytracing are on ryx cards are much better than AMDs cards does that mean they are bad or not worth buying ?

 

for example 6900 xt has lower performance than the 3080 in Dlss + RT. 

what do you think guys?

This is extremely dependent personal preference. Basically, AMD has not created a competitor to DLSS - yet. Nor are they at the same level as nvidia for ray tracing. Their cards are typically a little less expensive, so if those are features you don't think you need (honestly, DLSS 2.0 everyone needs, its a fantastic piece of tech), then you base your buying choices on that. Save a few bucks and give up those features. If you want those features, well you made your mind up and your going green for the time being anyways. AMD is not bad, they just offer a different value proposition. If you want ray tracing, you more or less NEED to go nvidia, that is their value. If you don't think you need that and want to save a few bucks, AMD has value there with a more price competitive offering.

1 minute ago, Chris Fortune said:

In short No

but if you want to make use of DLSS then maybe, personally whilst RT is better it is far from being usable yet so I would not base a purchase on that in any way.

I don't think RT is not usable, it works pretty well in fact. Even on 3440x1440 I do "ok enough" with a 2080 with ray tracing on minimum in cyberpunk, and run COD maxed out with RT on..... 

[Anas Dweik]

5 minutes ago, Chris Fortune said:

In short No

but if you want to make use of DLSS then maybe, personally whilst RT is better it is far from being usable yet so I would not base a purchase on that in any way.

but in the up coming games , they will use the ray tracing , its like the future of games . right ?

 

[xg32]

5 minutes ago, Anas Dweik said:

i dont think 6900xt is worth to buy for gaming when u have 3080 , dont you think so ?

 

imagine a 6900xt aib model clocked around 2800-3000mhz vs a 3080 at 2040~mhz, it's not even close. i don't think this gen of cards are strong enough to run ray tracing without it being choppy, but dlss is the real thing, and banking on amd to push out new features on time is always a gamble.

[Chris Fortune]

1 minute ago, LIGISTX said:

This is extremely dependent personal preference. Basically, AMD has not created a competitor to DLSS - yet. Nor are they at the same level as nvidia for ray tracing. Their cards are typically a little less expensive, so if those are features you don't think you need (honestly, DLSS 2.0 everyone needs, its a fantastic piece of tech), then you base your buying choices on that. Save a few bucks and give up those features. If you want those features, well you made your mind up and your going green for the time being anyways. AMD is not bad, they just offer a different value proposition. If you want ray tracing, you more or less NEED to go nvidia, that is their value. If you don't think you need that and want to save a few bucks, AMD has value there with a more price competitive offering.

I don't think RT is not usable, it works pretty well in fact. Even on 3440x1440 I do "ok enough" with a 2080 with ray tracing on minimum in cyberpunk, and run COD maxed out with RT on..... 

Perhaps I should have said widely usable, the number of games where it is a deal breaker is single digits if there are any at all and whilst I definitely can see an improvement over non RT in Cyberpunk it is by no means ugly without (i.e. not a deal breaker). I suppose this will change over time as more games make use of the tech and it gains optimisation but right now I don't see it.

[Anas Dweik]

5 minutes ago, xg32 said:

imagine a 6900xt aib model clocked around 2800-3000mhz vs a 3080 at 2040~mhz, it's not even close, i don't think this gen of cards are strong enough to run ray tracing without it being choppy, but dlss is the real thing, and banking on amd to push out new features on time is always a gamble.

but its all about features these days , cuz prices are close ." away from 3090 and 6900 xt"

 

[xg32]

8 minutes ago, Anas Dweik said:

but its all about features these days , cuz prices are close . away from 3090 and 6900 xt

 

ya, RTX sucks right now, it's just dlss and maybe gsync if u already have the monitor, the 3080ti will be perfectly fine, it's just...slower, not by much though.

 

For the recent games i played at 4k, 2077 RT off high1080p dlss->4k; control 1440p high dlss->4k, 90-100fps, the only game i truly used RT on was metro exodus, RT high DLSS ultra 60fps lock. one game. DLSS is enough to skew it toward nvidia though.

[Chris Fortune]

1 minute ago, Anas Dweik said:

but its all about features these days , cuz prices are close ." away from 3090 and 6900 xt"

 

An important factor here is what is the budget you are looking at? In that price range what is available? Then compare your options against each other in those factors you care about.

 

As is obvious from some of the prior responses we see things differently and whilst some claim not to be able to see it at all (Not n Apple Fan for one) others see it as nice but not well enough optimised yet (me) and others see it as useful (Ligistx in this thread). Unfortunately unless you can actually see it running you can't know where you fall on the spectrum.

[Coolmaster]

21 minutes ago, Anas Dweik said:

but in the up coming games , they will use the ray tracing , its like the future of games . right ?

 

RTX is a niche feature, which do make games look better, but only a handful of games support it and it isn't going to be all games for a while. Non raytracing rendering still looks good, and most games only use that. Raytracing isn't a must have, but nice to use if you want to. AMD currently has slightly lower prices for traditional performance, while Nvidia has better raytracing, video encoding, driver stability, and productivity support.

[Naijin]

36 minutes ago, Anas Dweik said:

i saw a lot of reviews , when dlss and raytracing are on ryx cards are much better than AMDs cards does that mean they are bad or not worth buying ?

 

for example 6900 xt has lower performance than the 3080 in Dlss + RT. 

what do you think guys? is dlss and RT a scale to buy the cards these dayS?

Just no.

There is a reason why raytracing has been shown in benchmarks a lot, and it's pressure from Nvidia. Because Hardware Unboxed made a video comparing the RTX 3000 series to RX 6000 series using only 1 raytracing benchmark, Nvidia put Hardware Unboxed on a banlist for receiving Nvidia cards for review.

 

Right now, raytracing is still very taxing and, while it may be the "future", it's still far away from being usable, and few games support it. Most gamers still prefer higher fps and stable gameplay. Using raytracing often cuts those frames in half. While DLSS is great, it does reduce visuals slightly when you experience frame drops in a busy area for example.

 

I bought an RX 6800 XT, because the performance is simply better than an RTX 3080, and I saved 150-200 EUR buying directly from AMD. I don't use raytracing or DLSS, because I don't need them. I have good hopes in DirectX and Vulkan raytracing, that AMD will come back again.

[SpaceGhostC2C]

32 minutes ago, xg32 said:

DLSS is required in cyberpunk 2077

No it's not. 

 

32 minutes ago, xg32 said:

but other than that the amd cards this gen blows nvidia out of the water

More like they're roughly equivalent. 

[SpaceGhostC2C]

33 minutes ago, Anas Dweik said:

but in the up coming games , they will use the ray tracing , its like the future of games . right ?

 

If and when that happens, it'll be a problem for the GPUs available then. It's not like "the future" means "in two months".