What Camera for a hobby

[Ozzi]

Hallo
first of all, i dont understand a ton about Camera just the basic stuff
with that said i do like taking picture of the nature and sunset and such, what Camera would you guys say i should buy that not to pricey, becouse there are a lot of camera out there, so i went to the one place where there are some people that understand more about this then me.
so my question is, what Camera would you guys recommend for a guy who just wants it as a hobby and dont want to pay a ton of money for a good camera 

[berberries]

definition of good is very vague. I feel that even a cheap camera like a Sony A6000 is good but I'm running a 5DM4 among many other Pro DSLRs as I let it grow past a hobby and into a freelance professional.

 

My best suggestion for you would actually be to walk into a REPUTABLE local camera store and allow the staff to advise you and recommend you a camera. Cameras are also a very personal thing, there are cameras that are great but you may not like due to how it feels in your hand.

[19_blackie_73]

Which country are you in?

 

Basically, the more you spend the better it gets. Basic dslrs like the 7x0d series by canon or nikons d5x00 series is always a good starting place, though you could get a sony a7 ii this weekend probably for a bit more than these two (there's a deal for it on mediamarkt.de for 875€ ish). This one will be an absolutele beast and have a bigger sensor than the other two, though adding more glass will be more expensive on this than the canons or nikons. Really depends what you want to spend.

[GDRRiley]

canon SL3

EF glass is nearly universal

[Ozzi]

On 10/23/2020 at 1:26 PM, 19_blackie_73 said:

Which country are you in?

 

Basically, the more you spend the better it gets. Basic dslrs like the 7x0d series by canon or nikons d5x00 series is always a good starting place, though you could get a sony a7 ii this weekend probably for a bit more than these two (there's a deal for it on mediamarkt.de for 875€ ish). This one will be an absolutele beast and have a bigger sensor than the other two, though adding more glass will be more expensive on this than the canons or nikons. Really depends what you want to spend.

I live in Denmark so i could get something shipped from Germany if i wanted to 

[19_blackie_73]

12 hours ago, Ozzi said:

I live in Denmark so i could get something shipped from Germany if i wanted to 

yeah, all depends on what you're willing to spend and sink into that hobby. the 24 or 28-70 it comes with ain't bad for a kit lens and is a good starting point, but adding a tele adds another 1000€ or so, where as for nikon or canon you could get a tamron 70-200 which runs you around 400€ and is probably the best price to performance lens you can get atm imo.

 

[GDRRiley]

5 hours ago, 19_blackie_73 said:

yeah, all depends on what you're willing to spend and sink into that hobby. the 24 or 28-70 it comes with ain't bad for a kit lens and is a good starting point, but adding a tele adds another 1000€ or so, where as for nikon or canon you could get a tamron 70-200 which runs you around 400€ and is probably the best price to performance lens you can get atm imo.

 

I'd start with a 24-105 over a 24/28-70

[Ozzi]

9 hours ago, 19_blackie_73 said:

yeah, all depends on what you're willing to spend and sink into that hobby. the 24 or 28-70 it comes with ain't bad for a kit lens and is a good starting point, but adding a tele adds another 1000€ or so, where as for nikon or canon you could get a tamron 70-200 which runs you around 400€ and is probably the best price to performance lens you can get atm imo.

 

okay i am lost 
could u pls explain it a bit better 

[19_blackie_73]

15 hours ago, GDRRiley said:

I'd start with a 24-105 over a 24/28-70

Yeah would be better, but the deal is/was only valid for the 28-70

 

10 hours ago, Ozzi said:

okay i am lost 
could u pls explain it a bit better 

In the world of interchangeable lens cameras (which i would recommend to you for landscapes and image quality) there are 2 main factors: the camera body with the sensor in it and all the electronics and the lenses.

 

1.) body

Biggest factors are: sensor size, sensor noise and dynamic range.

Sensor size: the go-to entry level cameras have aps-c sensors which are approximately 1.5x smaller diagonally than full frame sensors. Bigger sensor means that typically they are better in terms of noise and overall image quality as the pixels are bigger and with a bigger sensor, it is easier to get wide angle lenses. No rule without exemption (lookin at you D7500) but thats most times true.
Sensor noise: basically how much you can turn the iso up until you visibly see graininess and loose details. Entry level aps c cameras are already noisy at around ISO800-1000, whereas fullframe you can go to around ISO2-3000 to be at the same level.
Dynamic range: how much the sensor can capture in terms of the brightest and darkest part. Here, canon is in general quite a bit worse than nikon and sony. To illustrate: imagine having a sunset and the foreground is already relatively dark, but the sky is due to the sun setting really bright. Having a bad dynamic range means that the foreground is barely visbly, almost all black, and the sky is purely white as the camera fails to capture any detail. With good dynamic range, you might be able to capture the detail in the foreground as well as the detail in the sky.

On to the lenses:
The smaller the number on the lens, the wider the field of view (the more you can capture of the scene). A 20mm lens on a full frame body is quite wide, where as a 200mm lens is a very zoomed in lens or also called tele(photo) lens.
There's also a f/ number, which indicates how much light it can gather. A f/2.8 lens lets twice as much light in as a f/4 and quadruple of a f5.6.

Generally, lenses for sony systems are quite a bit more expensive than for nikon or especially canon. And fullframe lenses are more expensive generally than aps-c only lenses. Though you can mount fullframe glass on a apsc body if the mount is the same.
The aforementioned 28-70 is the standard zoom you will get with any full frame camera. Due to the smaller sensor size of aps-c, to get the same field of view you'll need to get a 18-55 (because of crop factor). Its a good starting point  and lets you determine if you rather shoot wide or tele and then get a lens for your needs. There are also superzooms that cover e.g. 18-200, but the more zoom range the more you sacrifice image quality.

It always depends on what you are willing to spend - the a7 ii (which is fullframe) with the 28-70 will give you stellar image quality for a relatively low price of around 870-1050€ depending if you get a deal or not, but adding lenses will become more expensive than for an entry level dslr like the D5600 (apsc). If you didn't understand something, i hope i did enough name dropping to give you an idea what to google.
or ask me again, thats the other option

[Ozzi]

4 hours ago, 19_blackie_73 said:

Yeah would be better, but the deal is/was only valid for the 28-70

 

In the world of interchangeable lens cameras (which i would recommend to you for landscapes and image quality) there are 2 main factors: the camera body with the sensor in it and all the electronics and the lenses.

 

1.) body

Biggest factors are: sensor size, sensor noise and dynamic range.

Sensor size: the go-to entry level cameras have aps-c sensors which are approximately 1.5x smaller diagonally than full frame sensors. Bigger sensor means that typically they are better in terms of noise and overall image quality as the pixels are bigger and with a bigger sensor, it is easier to get wide angle lenses. No rule without exemption (lookin at you D7500) but thats most times true.
Sensor noise: basically how much you can turn the iso up until you visibly see graininess and loose details. Entry level aps c cameras are already noisy at around ISO800-1000, whereas fullframe you can go to around ISO2-3000 to be at the same level.
Dynamic range: how much the sensor can capture in terms of the brightest and darkest part. Here, canon is in general quite a bit worse than nikon and sony. To illustrate: imagine having a sunset and the foreground is already relatively dark, but the sky is due to the sun setting really bright. Having a bad dynamic range means that the foreground is barely visbly, almost all black, and the sky is purely white as the camera fails to capture any detail. With good dynamic range, you might be able to capture the detail in the foreground as well as the detail in the sky.

On to the lenses:
The smaller the number on the lens, the wider the field of view (the more you can capture of the scene). A 20mm lens on a full frame body is quite wide, where as a 200mm lens is a very zoomed in lens or also called tele(photo) lens.
There's also a f/ number, which indicates how much light it can gather. A f/2.8 lens lets twice as much light in as a f/4 and quadruple of a f5.6.

Generally, lenses for sony systems are quite a bit more expensive than for nikon or especially canon. And fullframe lenses are more expensive generally than aps-c only lenses. Though you can mount fullframe glass on a apsc body if the mount is the same.
The aforementioned 28-70 is the standard zoom you will get with any full frame camera. Due to the smaller sensor size of aps-c, to get the same field of view you'll need to get a 18-55 (because of crop factor). Its a good starting point  and lets you determine if you rather shoot wide or tele and then get a lens for your needs. There are also superzooms that cover e.g. 18-200, but the more zoom range the more you sacrifice image quality.

It always depends on what you are willing to spend - the a7 ii (which is fullframe) with the 28-70 will give you stellar image quality for a relatively low price of around 870-1050€ depending if you get a deal or not, but adding lenses will become more expensive than for an entry level dslr like the D5600 (apsc). If you didn't understand something, i hope i did enough name dropping to give you an idea what to google.
or ask me again, thats the other option

Okay
everything makes a bit more sense now.
Thank you for the description, i helps a lot in understanding what i need to look for

[kucharczykt]

On 10/23/2020 at 6:13 AM, Ozzi said:

Hallo
first of all, i dont understand a ton about Camera just the basic stuff
with that said i do like taking picture of the nature and sunset and such, what Camera would you guys say i should buy that not to pricey, becouse there are a lot of camera out there, so i went to the one place where there are some people that understand more about this then me.
so my question is, what Camera would you guys recommend for a guy who just wants it as a hobby and dont want to pay a ton of money for a good camera 

I have a Sony a5000 they run about 3,170 krones and it takes pretty good photos without an extra lenses and a good prime/standard lenses is an extra 950 or so. Other lenses types such as telephoto and wide angle lenses cost about the same. Ive had good experience with it. I'm not shure if I'm allowed to do this but my website is here if you want to see what sort of photos the Sony a5000 can take: https://squareup.com/store/sureshotz-michigan-photography most are mighty edited just fyi

Edit: Link doesn't work I have to figure that out my bad.

Edited October 28, 2020 by kucharczykt

[GDRRiley]

1 minute ago, KimberlyShark said:

oh this is just an awesome model

not really. in the last 6 months things have changed.
fuji likely would be my rec now

 

[Skykiller]

On 10/23/2020 at 12:13 PM, Ozzi said:

Hallo
first of all, i dont understand a ton about Camera just the basic stuff
with that said i do like taking picture of the nature and sunset and such, what Camera would you guys say i should buy that not to pricey, becouse there are a lot of camera out there, so i went to the one place where there are some people that understand more about this then me.
so my question is, what Camera would you guys recommend for a guy who just wants it as a hobby and dont want to pay a ton of money for a good camera 

As many others said the sony a6000 line makes a great Job for beginners. But another option would be a Canon dslr something like a 100D or 250D. Something like that and you can not do really wrong with that for beginners that are all great cameras. When you realize that Photoraphy is something yoiu really love and want to do more and also a bit more on the proffesional side of things I would try get a Sony A7 or an used Canon RP. These are full fram Cameras. That means that the Sensor is bigger and that means that you imeages will have better colors and will perform better in low light or on high ISO.

But at first I would get a Cheaper Camera like i mentioned a 250D or A6000 and then maybe get anohter lens. Here would the Canon 250D be the better choice. Becouse it has the EF mount witch is out there for milions of years and so you can get very good lenses second had.