ASUS Z-390E UNABLE TO BOOT WITH 3600MHZ MEMORY

[johnny_rocket]

Having some issues posting with 32GB (2 - 16GB sticks) 3600MHz ram and tried the following below to no avail:

- Running from the A2/B2 slots as recommended in the manual

- Tried XMP I and II using the respective settings on both with no success.
- Set the ram overclock to manual and input the timings no change.
- Updated to the latest bios and turned the CPU overclock off and back on.
- Tried changing the voltage to 1.4 for the DRAM.
- Changed overclock to auto and dram frequency to auto this just booted the ram to 2400MHz
- Changed dram frequency back to 3600MHz and doesn't post and goes through the reboot loop.
- Tried loading one stick at a time in each slot and was only able to lead 1 stick of 16GB using 3600MHz on XMP II before blue screening in Windows, XMP I did not post. Added another stick using XMP II and again would not post.

 

Hardware specs: i7-9700K / ASUS Z-390E HyperX Predator Black 32GB kit 3600MHz DDR4 CL17 DIMM XMP Desktop PC Memory (HX436C17PB3K2/32) (on the QVL list for this motherboard) Samung SSD EVO 850

 

It seems the max dram frequency speed I can set it to without blowing up is 3333MHz. Is there a setting that needs to be set to run ram over 3333MHz stable? Looser DRAM timings?

 

Also tried -
VCCIO/VCCSA to 1.25 and 1.3

CPU overclock to 5.0 across all cores
CPU voltage to 1.35

DRAM voltage to 1.4

DRAM frequency to 3600MHz

Still won't post using 3600MHz.
 

Currently out of options with things to try, any suggestions or a guide from someone that has the same CPU/board and ram speed that has this working would be appreciated.

Thanks.

[MurderM]

You may have gotten a shitty motherboard, or shitty ram. Only real way is for you to either run at 3200mhz or try new ram first, and if that doesn't work a new motherboard.

 

On another note, can I ask why you need 3600mhz vs 3200mhz? There won't be any noticeable difference at all as you will likely have to increase the timings.

[johnny_rocket]

10 minutes ago, MurderM said:

You may have gotten a shitty motherboard, or shitty ram. Only real way is for you to either run at 3200mhz or try new ram first, and if that doesn't work a new motherboard.

 

On another note, can I ask why you need 3600mhz vs 3200mhz? There won't be any noticeable difference at all as you will likely have to increase the timings.

I was able to run 3200MHz pretty stable and pushed it to see what else I can get before post fails and 3333MHz is the limit. 

 

As for the memory speed wanted to go with the fastest option for my i7-9700K cpu.

[MurderM]

Just now, johnny_rocket said:

I was able to run 3200MHz pretty stable and pushed it to see what else I can get before post fails and 3333MHz is the limit. 

 

As for the memory speed wanted to go with the fastest option for my i7-9700K cpu.

Yeah Ryzen processors are more memory speed dependant, for Intel it really doesn't matter to be honest with you. The difference between 3200 and 3600 might be like....a fourth of a single frame....lol.

[svmlegacy]

This might just be a potato CPU for mem OC.

Source: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/186604/intel-core-i7-9700k-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz.html

Read into memory OC'ing if you want tips on pushing Intel memory controllers.

[johnny_rocket]

10 minutes ago, svmlegacy said:

This might just be a potato CPU for mem OC.

Source: https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/186604/intel-core-i7-9700k-processor-12m-cache-up-to-4-90-ghz.html

Read into memory OC'ing if you want tips on pushing Intel memory controllers.

Weird thing is I've seen plenty of reviews with CPU speed comparisons with 3200 vs 3600 memory however, they were using a different motherboard but same CPU i7-9700K.

[svmlegacy]

6 minutes ago, johnny_rocket said:

Weird thing is I've seen plenty of reviews with CPU speed comparisons with 3200 vs 3600 memory however, they were using a different motherboard but same CPU i7-9700K.

Definitely some 9700K's can do that speed. Not all can though, and it is considered an OC. Intel only guarantee's 2667.

[Bad5ector]

@svmlegacyGlad someone else knows how to use Ark  I was just about to post that.

 

Yeah man, your CPU's memory controller can't handle that sweet sweet 3600 speed. But don't worry too much, you are able to get 3200mhz and that's not too shabby. Maybe see if you can tighten your timings. I'm sure there are others out there that have the same CPU as you and got to 3600mhz, but it's not a guarantee. It's like my 7700K I can barely get it to 5ghz OC without upping the voltage to the moon. Where others were posting 5ghz at lower than stock voltage, it's all about the silicon lottery.

[TrigrH]

2 hours ago, Bad5ector said:

@svmlegacyGlad someone else knows how to use Ark  I was just about to post that.

 

Yeah man, your CPU's memory controller can't handle that sweet sweet 3600 speed. 

Wrong. 8th gen and even 9th gen CPUs can hit 4000 without issue.

 

@johnny_rocket 

load optimised defaults

set AI Tweaker to manual 

start with a fixed dram of 1.45v

VCCIO/VCCSA to 1.25 and 1.3 (for now)

Ensure all dram timings are set to auto

then set 3000mhz and slowly increase by 1 strap every boot.

[Bad5ector]

5 hours ago, TrigrH said:

Wrong. 8th gen and even 9th gen CPUs can hit 4000 without issue

Gee if they ran without issue,  why doesn't the plug and play XMP profile work?? Sure sounds like an issue to me.  Furthermore you seem to neglect the rest of my statement that yes it can be achieved on that chip,  I never said those chips couldn't but it's looking like the OP might have one that just doesn't like to OC. 

 

I mean those suggestions seem like another thing to try. Sure hope they help. 

[TrigrH]

2 hours ago, Bad5ector said:

Gee if they ran without issue,  why doesn't the plug and play XMP profile work??

After looking at the bios update history, honestly looks like an issue with this specific motherboard.

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Sure sounds like an issue to me.  Furthermore you seem to neglect the rest of my statement that yes it can be achieved on that chip,  I never said those chips couldn't but it's looking like the OP might have one that just doesn't like to OC. 

This isn't first gen ryzen, for an 9th gen i7 to not able to handle 3600mhz with a QVL memory kit is either a motherboard issue or a genuinely defective IMC.

[Bad5ector]

12 minutes ago, TrigrH said:

This isn't first gen ryzen, for an 9th gen i7 to not able to handle 3600mhz with a QVL memory kit is either a motherboard issue or a genuinely defective IMC.

Agreed. I was leaning more towards the IMC but didn't dig too deep into the Motherborad's BIOS revision history. 

[johnny_rocket]

21 hours ago, TrigrH said:

Wrong. 8th gen and even 9th gen CPUs can hit 4000 without issue.

 

@johnny_rocket 

load optimised defaults

set AI Tweaker to manual 

start with a fixed dram of 1.45v

VCCIO/VCCSA to 1.25 and 1.3 (for now)

Ensure all dram timings are set to auto

then set 3000mhz and slowly increase by 1 strap every boot.

Tried this, as soon as I get up to 3400MHz not posting. It seems 3333MHz is the limit.

 

Is there anything else I can try?

[DarkSmith2]

well thats a crap board for RAM OC

and a crap RAM kit too.

 

should have researched before buying.

You could maybe try 3600CL18 or 3600CL19. :sadface

[TrigrH]

1 hour ago, johnny_rocket said:

Tried this, as soon as I get up to 3400MHz not posting. It seems 3333MHz is the limit.

 

Is there anything else I can try?

if this kit is actually on the QVL then I would be contacting ASUS support and seeing that gets anywhere.