Wait or Get RTX 30 series GPU?

[FrenchfryPolice]

Hey Guys, 

 

Looking for your expertise and advise

I am at that point where I'm wondering about jumping to the 3080/3090 (looking to play cyberpunk as close to perfect as I can get) but I'm not looking to drastically upgrade my current build right now. Thinking about building a new one from scratch until maybe end of 2021 or early 2022

Would my current specs bottleneck updating the GPU drastically or would I be better served just keeping what I have until then?

 

System Specs:

CPU - Intel Core i7-5820K 3.3GHz 6-Core (cooled by Corsair H110) 

MOBO - Asus X99 - deluxe edition

RAM – (4x4) Crucial Ballistix sport 16gb DDR4 -2400 CL16

GPU - 1080 Founders --SLI

CASE - Corsair Graphite 760T

PSU - EVGA Supernova 1300 watt

Monitor: Dell Alienware AW3418DW 34"  3440 x 1440 

[AndreiArgeanu]

5 minutes ago, FrenchfryPolice said:

Would my current specs bottleneck updating the GPU drastically or would I be better served just keeping what I have until then?

You would probably better off to wait. I mean AMD still has to come out with their own cards that might be worth considering. However your current system wouldn't really hold back the 3080 that much, and you can also overclock the cpu as well easily to something like 4ghz all core to mitigate a potential bottleneck. But at 1440p, that won't be the case.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

I would wait for a bit, to see if the 6900xt/x/  a they may be worth it, for the best preformance (like between a 3080/3090 hopefully, probably not tho)

[SupaKomputa]

Waiting for what? AMD GPU?

Honestly if you're getting 3080, it's probably ok.

Even if AMD can beat it, i don't think it would be that much.

So you won't be missing a lot.

 

For the CPU, upgrading to AMD 5000 should be great.

[Helpful Tech Witch]

1 minute ago, AndreiArgeanu said:

However your current system wouldn't really hold back the 3080 that much

Lol, this is so wrong. if a 10900k seems to be bottlenecking a 3080 at 1440p, then a 5th gen i7 is like trying to push frames through a pinhole.

[bomerr]

Get an e5-1660v3 ($140) or i7-6950x ($330) on Ali-Express

and Crucial 3200 or 3600 ram. (4x8GB). 

 

 

 

https://www.overclock.net/threads/struggle-with-overclocking-the-6950x.1745860/page-2#post-28423892

 

 

[AndreiArgeanu]

5 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

Lol, this is so wrong. if a 10900k seems to be bottlenecking a 3080 at 1440p, then a 5th gen i7 is like trying to push frames through a pinhole.

It "seems" to be bottlenecking it. But it's not. "Weaker than expected 1440p performance was down to the Ampere architecture and the change to the SM configuration."

[SupaKomputa]

3 minutes ago, bomerr said:

Get an e5-1660v3 ($140) or i7-6950x ($330) on Ali-Express

and Crucial 3200 or 3600 ram. (4x8GB). 

Why?? For $330 you can get a new Ryzen + mobo.

Keep investing in an outdated system when you have the money to get a new one.

You won't know how long that old motherboard can last.

[ewitte]

9 minutes ago, HelpfulTechWizard said:

Lol, this is so wrong. if a 10900k seems to be bottlenecking a 3080 at 1440p, then a 5th gen i7 is like trying to push frames through a pinhole.

It happens if you look at some games they list CPU and GPU frame times.  Just did maximum settings 3440x1440 on a 3080 and ran the benchmark in Horizon Zero Dawn the minimum CPU FPS was 58 the GPU was something in the 70s.  I'm upgrading to Zen3 hopefully gives a decent boost.  Doom Eternal on the other hand averages over 200fps with maximum settings it doesn't really bother me if CPU is holding me back when its that fast (I cap at 142fps).

[bomerr]

6 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

Why?? For $330 you can get a new Ryzen + mobo.

Keep investing in an outdated system when you have the money to get a new one.

You won't know how long that old motherboard can last.

An entry level Ryzen won't be better than a 6950x. Remember that 10900k is a Skylake refresh, Skylake is only 1 generation newer than Broadwell. So 6950x isn't that outdated. 

 

Look at TimeSpy scores. Avg 6950x + 2080 Ti scores slightly higher than a 3700X + 2080 Ti. So he would need to spend at least 500 on a new AMD platform, not 330. 

[bomerr]

1 minute ago, ewitte said:

It happens if you look at some games they list CPU and GPU frame times.  Just did maximum settings 3440x1440 on a 3080 and ran the benchmark in Horizon Zero Dawn the minimum CPU FPS was 58 the GPU was something in the 70s.  I'm upgrading to Zen3 hopefully gives a decent boost.  Doom Eternal on the other hand averages over 200fps with maximum settings it doesn't really bother me if CPU is holding me back when its that fast (I cap at 142fps).

The problem with AMD and gaming is that Ryzen design suffers from high memory latency so if you're serious about gaming, stick with Intel. 

[Praesi]

If you can game now, you can a bit longer. 

I would wait, at least for the second generation of the 3000 series.

[ewitte]

4 minutes ago, bomerr said:

The problem with AMD and gaming is that Ryzen design suffers from high memory latency so if you're serious about gaming, stick with Intel. 

Its not all I'm doing and Intel is way behind for multi-core.  Also all indication is Zen3 may win out on pretty much everything and doesn't require a new Motherboard.

[WihGlah]

For 3440 x 1440, a 3080 would be a great buy. You might be a little bottlenecked - but not much. 

[SkillTim]

Order 30 Series and wait.

[BTGbullseye]

1 hour ago, bomerr said:

An entry level Ryzen won't be better than a 6950x.

That 6950x is on-par with the 3600. A $200 CPU. Add in the cost of a high-end motherboard for it, and it's still less expensive.

1 hour ago, bomerr said:

The problem with AMD and gaming is that Ryzen design suffers from high memory latency so if you're serious about gaming, stick with Intel. 

That's false on so many levels.

[FrenchfryPolice]

4 hours ago, SupaKomputa said:

Waiting for what? AMD GPU?

Honestly if you're getting 3080, it's probably ok.

Even if AMD can beat it, i don't think it would be that much.

So you won't be missing a lot.

 

For the CPU, upgrading to AMD 5000 should be great.

 

I should have phrased my question a bit better.

Since I will be putting together a new build towards the end of next year, I wanted to pick your brains on whether buying a 3080 now would show me noticeable improvements on my current rig. Or will they be bottlenecked where there won't be too much gains from what the 1080s are pushing. If the consensus is the latter, I would be willing to muscle through with the 1080s until I am ready to build a new rig. At that point, I think the cards could potentially be cheaper or have TI versions... And maybe AMD GPU could be  contenders as well. 
 

[Mark Kaine]

6 minutes ago, FrenchfryPolice said:

 

I should have phrased my question a bit better.

Since I will be putting together a new build towards the end of next year, I wanted to pick your brains on whether buying a 3080 now would show me noticeable improvements on my current rig. If not, I would be willing to muscle through with the 1080s until I am ready to build a new rig. At that point, I think the cards could potentially be cheaper or have TI versions... And maybe AMD GPU could be  contenders as well. 
 

which is precisely why you shouldn't buy a new GPU now... at the time you build your PC there'll *most likely* be better options.

 

you have nothing to gain all to lose by buying a  3080 now... 

[bomerr]

2 hours ago, BTGbullseye said:

That 6950x is on-par with the 3600. A $200 CPU. Add in the cost of a high-end motherboard for it, and it's still less expensive.

That's false on so many levels.

That's completely false. Go look at TimeSpy scores. a 6950x scores around a 3700x and OC'd higher. So you'll need a 3800XT or even a 3900x to get more performance (and at that point you might as well get a 10850k) Sorry but your 3600 isn't even as powerful as a stock 5960x/1660v3.

 

https://www.3dmark.com/compare/spy/8917303/spy/8915612

 

https://www.3dmark.com/spy/1518460

 

https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-5-3600-review,20.html

[FrenchfryPolice]

Can't thank everyone enough for suggestions and thoughts. The LTT forums have been very supportive from my very first build and still continue to be helpful today. . 

2 hours ago, Mark Kaine said:

which is precisely why you shouldn't buy a new GPU now... at the time you build your PC there'll *most likely* be better options.

 

you have nothing to gain all to lose by buying a  3080 now... 

The more I think about it, this will most likely be the outcome. It would be nice to have all that Ray Tracing beauty but it might not be enough to justify the immediate plunge just yet. 

[BTGbullseye]

13 hours ago, bomerr said:

That's completely false. Go look at TimeSpy scores. a 6950x scores around a 3700x and OC'd higher. So you'll need a 3800XT or even a 3900x to get more performance (and at that point you might as well get a 10850k) Sorry but your 3600 isn't even as powerful as a stock 5960x/1660v3.

I'm sorry, but comparing world record benchmarks isn't relevant to normal people. Look at more typical benchmarks, like those that aren't using LN2.

[bomerr]

1 hour ago, BTGbullseye said:

I'm sorry, but comparing world record benchmarks isn't relevant to normal people. Look at more typical benchmarks, like those that aren't using LN2.

I did. You can search average benchmarks on TimeSpy per CPU. 

 

Also 

https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-5-3600-review,20

.html

 

https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/amd-ryzen-7-3700x-ryzen-9-3900x-review,20.html

 

These aren't LN2 and not even OC'd. OC'd a 6950x will hit timespy CPU score of 11-12k which is around the same as the 3900x, not a 3600. 

 

Look I know you AMD fanboys are soaked AMD finally has a CPU that isn't total trash and while the power to performance of new Ryzens is better than older Intels, i.e. they use less energy. old Haswell-E and Broadwell-E CPUs still have more raw performance than most gaming-grade Ryzens, again at higher power usage.