HDD temps normal?

[ItzUknown]

I was playing Need for Speed Heat and I saw on HWI monitor that my Hard Drive (Western Digital 4tb Blue) is at 58 -59 all the time. I was playing for more than 1 hour and 30 minutes and I would like to ask if those temperatures are actually safe to play with(Idle is close to 35 - 40 if I remember correctly and the ambient is close to 30C)

Thanks in advance!!

[Levent]

yes

[ItzUknown]

2 minutes ago, Levent said:

yes

So I wont have a problem playing 2 or 3 hours maintaining that temp?

 

[Dedayog]

7 minutes ago, ItzUknown said:

I was playing Need for Speed Heat and I saw on HWI monitor that my Hard Drive (Western Digital 4tb Blue) is at 58 -59 all the time. I was playing for more than 1 hour and 30 minutes and I would like to ask if those temperatures are actually safe to play with(Idle is close to 35 - 40 if I remember correctly and the ambient is close to 30C)

Thanks in advance!!

No offense, but stop monitoring HDD temps. They're always going to be fine.  Decades of using them, no issues ever.   They don't get overheated.

 

As long as it's under 70c or so, you're good.  Google it.

[.Apex.]

17 minutes ago, ItzUknown said:

So I wont have a problem playing 2 or 3 hours maintaining that temp?

 

20 minutes ago, Levent said:

yes

13 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

No offense, but stop monitoring HDD temps. They're always going to be fine.  Decades of using them, no issues ever.   They don't get overheated.

 

As long as it's under 70c or so, you're good.  Google it.

Actually the maximum operating temperature for an HDD is 55-60C according to Western Digital, it is already unsafe to run it above 50C and that shouldn't even happen under normal conditions, make sure you have a fan on the HDD or make sure you have enough exhaust in your PC so the air inside the case doesn't get extremely hot.

[.Apex.]

18 minutes ago, ItzUknown said:

I was playing Need for Speed Heat and I saw on HWI monitor that my Hard Drive (Western Digital 4tb Blue) is at 58 -59 all the time. I was playing for more than 1 hour and 30 minutes and I would like to ask if those temperatures are actually safe to play with(Idle is close to 35 - 40 if I remember correctly and the ambient is close to 30C)

Thanks in advance!!

I wouldn't trust HWMonitor's results though, the application is known to be unreliable, use HWiNFO instead in "sensors-only" mode

[Enderman]

It's fine but lower is better so maybe improve your case airflow a bit and clean up your wiring.

[ItzUknown]

37 minutes ago, Dedayog said:

No offense, but stop monitoring HDD temps. They're always going to be fine.  Decades of using them, no issues ever.   They don't get overheated.

 

As long as it's under 70c or so, you're good.  Google it.

Tried to but only found that 50 is too hot.Thanks for the help though

[ItzUknown]

26 minutes ago, Syn. said:

Actually the maximum operating temperature for an HDD is 55-60C according to Western Digital, it is already unsafe to run it above 50C and that shouldn't even happen under normal conditions, make sure you have a fan on the HDD or make sure you have enough exhaust in your PC so the air inside the case doesn't get extremely hot.

I have a corsair 280x that has a bay for the hardrive far away from any fans

[ItzUknown]

18 minutes ago, Enderman said:

It's fine but lower is better so maybe improve your case airflow a bit and clean up your wiring.

The corsair 280x i have really can get any airflow over the hdd but I can say with confidence that in winter its better

[Enderman]

1 minute ago, ItzUknown said:

The corsair 280x i have really can get any airflow over the hdd but I can say with confidence that in winter its better

No other fans in your case?

[Dedayog]

43 minutes ago, Syn. said:

Actually the maximum operating temperature for an HDD is 55-60C according to Western Digital, it is already unsafe to run it above 50C and that shouldn't even happen under normal conditions, make sure you have a fan on the HDD or make sure you have enough exhaust in your PC so the air inside the case doesn't get extremely hot.

Odd, how 55-60c is the limit but you say 50c is unsafe?  How do you determine that? 

 

Quick google search shows 70c as well.

[Jarsky]

NVMe's its normal to run hot...upwards of 60-70C, but ~60C is not normal for spinning drives. Typically they should be between 35-45C under load. 

What's the rest of your thermals look like? 

[.Apex.]

1 hour ago, Dedayog said:

Odd, how 55-60c is the limit but you say 50c is unsafe?  How do you determine that? 

 

Quick google search shows 70c as well.

It's in Western Digital's HDD documentation, the 70C limit is the non-operating temperature, and same with any temperature limits, it doesn't mean you can run them at those limits as higher temperature will degrade anything much quicker, they are limits for a reason, that's where I derive that +50C is unsafe, and there have been research on how the failure rate exponentially increases with higher temperatures.

 

Documentation:
https://documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library/en_us/assets/public/western-digital/product/internal-drives/wd-black-hdd/product-brief-western-digital-wd-black-pc-hdd.pdf

 

Research:

http://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.com/en/us/archive/disk_failures.pdf

On page 6 there's a correlation between drive temp and failure rate on temps higher than 45C, so you'd imagine that 50C makes it even worse, there's also a correlation between low temps and failure rate as well, the optimal temperature seems to be around 30-40C

"Figure 5 looks at the average temperatures for different age groups. The distributions are in sync with Figure 4 showing a mostly flat failure rate at mid-range temperatures and a modest increase at the low end of the temperature distribution.  What stands out are the 3 and 4-year old drives, where the trend for higher failures with higher temperature is much more constant and also more pronounced."

[Dedayog]

1 hour ago, Syn. said:

It's in Western Digital's HDD documentation, the 70C limit is the non-operating temperature, and same with any temperature limits, it doesn't mean you can run them at those limits as higher temperature will degrade anything much quicker, they are limits for a reason, that's where I derive that +50C is unsafe, and there have been research on how the failure rate exponentially increases with higher temperatures.

 

Documentation:
https://documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library/en_us/assets/public/western-digital/product/internal-drives/wd-black-hdd/product-brief-western-digital-wd-black-pc-hdd.pdf

 

Research:

http://static.googleusercontent.com/media/research.google.com/en/us/archive/disk_failures.pdf

On page 6 there's a correlation between drive temp and failure rate on temps higher than 45C, so you'd imagine that 50C makes it even worse, there's also a correlation between low temps and failure rate as well, the optimal temperature seems to be around 30-40C

"Figure 5 looks at the average temperatures for different age groups. The distributions are in sync with Figure 4 showing a mostly flat failure rate at mid-range temperatures and a modest increase at the low end of the temperature distribution.  What stands out are the 3 and 4-year old drives, where the trend for higher failures with higher temperature is much more constant and also more pronounced."

Appreciate that info, thanks.

[ItzUknown]

8 hours ago, Enderman said:

No other fans in your case?

I have 2 fans at the bottom of the case for intakes to help the gpu.I want to put also 1-2 fans up top as exhaust.But the case doesnt connect with the hard drive bay to have airflow over the drive

[Enderman]

What case?

There should still be gaps behind the motherboard and stuff to allow air to get down to where HDDs are.

I would recommend having more positive air pressure, so more intake than exhaust fans, or run the exhaust fans slower than intake.

This should push air into places where there are no fans.

[ItzUknown]

1 minute ago, Enderman said:

What case?

There should still be gaps behind the motherboard and stuff to allow air to get down to where HDDs are.

I would recommend having more positive air pressure, so more intake than exhaust fans, or run the exhaust fans slower than intake.

This should push air into places where there are no fans.

I only have 2 fans as intake for my gpu at the bottom I have the Corsair 280x and I am also saving up to buy 4 more fans.I just want to know that if I play with these temps that everything is still fine

[Enderman]

13 minutes ago, ItzUknown said:

I only have 2 fans as intake for my gpu at the bottom I have the Corsair 280x and I am also saving up to buy 4 more fans.I just want to know that if I play with these temps that everything is still fine

Yeah it's fine just not ideal.

You can see your case has a vent beside the power supply in the back compartment.

If you have more intake fans than exhaust you can make positive air pressure which will push air through all the cable holes into the back compartment and cool the stuff there better.

[ItzUknown]

36 minutes ago, Enderman said:

Yeah it's fine just not ideal.

You can see your case has a vent beside the power supply in the back compartment.

If you have more intake fans than exhaust you can make positive air pressure which will push air through all the cable holes into the back compartment and cool the stuff there better.

I'll probably end up with 4 intakes 2 exhausts. Also Ive let my pc idle for like 40 - 50 minutes cause I didnt do anything with it but the hdd is at 40C. It may be due to it downloading a game on steam but still,kind of high

[Enderman]

10 hours ago, ItzUknown said:

I'll probably end up with 4 intakes 2 exhausts. Also Ive let my pc idle for like 40 - 50 minutes cause I didnt do anything with it but the hdd is at 40C. It may be due to it downloading a game on steam but still,kind of high

40C is fine, its just like 60-70C that is not great.

If you can get it to like 50C with the extra fans then that will be good.

[ItzUknown]

1 hour ago, Enderman said:

40C is fine, its just like 60-70C that is not great.

If you can get it to like 50C with the extra fans then that will be good.

I had my pc idle with 32 ambient and the HDD was at 47 without really doing anything,however it was on for like 9 hours.I turned it off and I will reopen it back again.Starting temp is 31-32