Laggy OS

[vilianbb]

Hey guys,

So I have my OS on a 240gb SSD and a separate 2tb HDD for mass storage... you know the drill, it's like every other system out there.
Anyway, my problem kind of comes when I stress my HDD (writing big chunks of data, downloading, installing on it) my OS begins to stutter and lag.
Is that normal behavior? 

Edit  : using win 10

[Enderman]

How did you install windows on the SSD?

Was the HDD unplugged when you did it?

[Moonzy]

what's the CPU, ram and motherboard?

the SSD is connected via SATA?

[vilianbb]

14 minutes ago, Enderman said:

How did you install windows on the SSD?

Was the HDD unplugged when you did it?

Using Windows media tool on a USB drive, I installed Windows 10 Pro without a license activation.
 And yes, the HDD was plugged in while Windows was installing.

[vilianbb]

14 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

what's the CPU, ram and motherboard?

the SSD is connected via SATA?

b450 Tomahawk with latest Bios, Sata connection, A400 Kingston, 16 ram at 3200 16cl, and overclocked 2700 at 4ghz all cores @1.3V
HDD - https://www.newegg.com/seagate-barracuda-st2000dm008-2tb/p/N82E16822184773

[Moonzy]

3 minutes ago, vilianbb said:

the HDD was plugged in while Windows was installing

do open disk management tool and make sure windows did not create any weird partition in the HDD

happened to me once where the OS would create an extra partition on the HDD (normally it would be on the SSD but somehow it went on the HDD), making the entire system acting wonky

 

3 minutes ago, vilianbb said:

b450 Tomahawk with latest Bios, Sata connection, A400 Kingston, 16 ram at 3200 16cl, and overclocked 2700 at 4ghz all cores @1.3V

looks fine

[vilianbb]

8 minutes ago, Moonzy said:

do open disk management tool and make sure windows did not create any weird partition in the HDD

happened to me once where the OS would create an extra partition on the HDD (normally it would be on the SSD but somehow it went on the HDD), making the entire system acting wonky

 

looks fine

 

I think it looks fine.

Also here is a picture of task manager

 

[Moonzy]

2 minutes ago, vilianbb said:

I think it looks fine.

yea it does looks fine

 

that ram usage ia a bit high though, does it occur if your ram usage is low?

i've had an SSD that chokes when my ram usage hits 90% (i believe it's using my ram as some sort of cache, it's DRAMless)

[vilianbb]

I believe not.
In notice the sutters when my HDD is stressed, not when ram get full.
And yeah, my ram appears to be very high on the imgage because i have a lot of stuff open in the background.(and yes, if it gets full it begins to compress it and send it to the OS drive for FlashStorage[Also known as paging file or virtual disk])
However, even if i close it down and my ram goes to 55-65% usage, the stutters are still there!

[Enderman]

59 minutes ago, vilianbb said:

Using Windows media tool on a USB drive, I installed Windows 10 Pro without a license activation.
 And yes, the HDD was plugged in while Windows was installing.

Yeah, you need to unplug all other drives when you do a clean install.

Windows is dumb and will put partitions and dependencies on other drives by accident and then you end up with problems like this.

[vilianbb]

1 hour ago, Enderman said:

Yeah, you need to unplug all other drives when you do a clean install.

Windows is dumb and will put partitions and dependencies on other drives by accident and then you end up with problems like this.

WAIT?!

could it be that im lagging so hard because my ssd is at almost 50C?

[Enderman]

8 minutes ago, vilianbb said:

WAIT?!

could it be that im lagging so hard because my ssd is at almost 50C?

No... 50C is fine.

[vilianbb]

8 minutes ago, vilianbb said:

WAIT?!

could it be that im lagging so hard because my ssd is at almost 50C?

But still, that would not be the case because i've never experienced this before

[LogicalDrm]

13 hours ago, vilianbb said:

I believe not.
In notice the sutters when my HDD is stressed, not when ram get full.
And yeah, my ram appears to be very high on the imgage because i have a lot of stuff open in the background.(and yes, if it gets full it begins to compress it and send it to the OS drive for FlashStorage[Also known as paging file or virtual disk])
However, even if i close it down and my ram goes to 55-65% usage, the stutters are still there!

How big is your Windows managed pagefile?

[homeap5]

Your problem may be with bad hdd. I had similar problem with drive that was faulty and slow down a lot when high number of small files was write. Remember that drive not only write file, but also updating some informations after that process. If something is wrong with drive, it may slow down whole system that trying to update ntfs partition. It may not be even bad sectors, but faulty electronic part of drive.

[Mateyyy]

Either something's up with your HDD, or you're just noticing effects of a poor DRAMless SSD.

[vilianbb]

7 hours ago, LogicalDrm said:

How big is your Windows managed pagefile?

How do i check?

 

5 hours ago, Mateyyy said:

Either something's up with your HDD, or you're just noticing effects of a poor DRAMless SSD.

Could be.

[LogicalDrm]

46 minutes ago, vilianbb said:

How do i check?

Either the Memory tab in task manager, or from System -> System Info -> Advanced ->Performance -> Advanced or something like that. It was easier to find in older versions.

[homeap5]

It's really easy - connect any hdd that is almost dead and you'll see how it may affect your system. If anyone have bigger experience with lot of drives, then should know that Windows always has problem with drives. Inserting scratched CD/DVD may freeze whole Explorer + other programs that uses Open/Save window (any window that populate drives). Bad HDD causes repeated writes and if something is wrong - it may freeze your system a lot, because apparently it's not a task (repeat write loop) that Microsoft made proper.

 

And it's not SSD fault, even if it's worst possible and have no cache. OP says that problems begins after big amount of writes to the HDD. I have that kind of HDD (had in fact, I give it for free to someone who doesn't care and use it only for read previously written data without any guarantee of cours). I also have lot of old HDDs and some of them are really almost dead. Sometimes the only way to made system working after hotplug that type of drive is to remove it the same way.

 

Unfortunatelly, even if it's really easy to check (if problem is still there if different drive is connected), it requires second drive for tests. Not everyone has few shelves filled with old drives.

(just one part)