build plan want feedback :D

[bradRED22]

Budget (including currency): 800 euro

Country: Spain

Games, programs or workloads that it will be used for:  shooter games, RAM intense games like city skyline, browsing, some very sslight 3D modelling for city skyline assets

Other details (existing parts lists, whether any peripherals are needed, what you're upgrading from, when you're going to buy, what resolution and refresh rate you want to play at, etc): 

 

Wanted to use these parts:

 

- ASUS TUF Z490-PLUS GAMING  (WI-FI) < motherboard

- Be quite! Pure wing 120mm (6 times) < fan < am aware I need 2 3pin splitters

- intel Core i5 10600K < CPU

- Noctua NH-D15S < CPU cooler

- Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1660 OC 6G < graphics card

- Be quite! Pure power 600W < power supply 

- Shinobi case < got from friend who moved abroad so want to keep and use as memory. I know its not the best case

 

 

Although I need help with the RAM please! 

(im planning to buy as company expense to get return on tax hence budget is lower can product cost)

[Eighjan]

3600MHz DDR4 should be more than enough, even for an Intel build; 3200 if you're tight on budget.

 

This case...?

[Mateyyy]

I'd probably get a Z490 Gaming Edge Wi-Fi instead of the TUF Z490-Plus (if you really need onboard Wi-Fi, otherwise you can save some more money), get a smaller cheaper CPU cooler (NH-U12S chromax.black, Dark Rock 4) and get a better GPU.

For memory, a 3600MHz CL16 kit would be ideal, though 3200 CL16 or 3600 CL18 will also do.

[Nena Trinity]

RX 5600XT would be a better performer IMO hell even better is 5700 or 5700XT! :3

[Chris Pratt]

For RAM, you can virtually go with any reputable brand. They're differentiating now mostly on looks and RGBness, which tells you a lot about the difference in the internals. If you're doing RAM intensive applications, it's pretty much the more MHz the better. However, there's diminishing returns over 3600MHz. For most applications 3200-3600MHz is still the sweet spot. DDR4, of course. And, don't over buy. For mostly playing City Skylines, I can't see needing more than 16GB. Buying more RAM doesn't make your computer faster, as long as you have enough. Once you get to that point where you've got what you need, anything else just sits there unused.

 

Also pay attention to how many memory lanes you have. The most common is dual-channel, which means you should always be using two equal sticks. For 16GB total, that means 2x8GB. Using a single stick of 16GB for example, will get you worse performance, because it can't use both channels at the same time. Quad-channel would obviously mean 4 sticks, but I don't think you're going to run into that with your build.

 

Then, note the memory timings. Some manufacturers will try to get you here, offering what seems like a better value on RAM, but only because it has looser timings. The timing are series of numbers delineated by dashes after the MHz rating, like 16-18-18-36. Memory timings are a vastly complex discussion, but suffice to say lower numbers here is better, and as a general rule of thumb the first timing should be no more than 1/200 of the MHz rating (i.e. remove the zeros and divide by two). So for 3200MHz, look for a 16, for 3600Mhz, look for an 18. However, again, lower is better, so if you can get 3600Mhz with a 16, go for that. You don't need to pay much attention to this honestly, just be on the look out for something crazy like 2400MHz with an 18. That would be some crazy bad RAM. It also helps when comparison shopping. If two sets of sticks are virtually identical and same price, pick the one with the better (lower) timings.

 

Finally, be aware that most RAM natively clocks at around 2133MHz or 2400MHz. The advertised Mhz is actually overclocked. In Intel world, this is referred to as its XMP (eXtreme Memory Profile), and often has to be enabled in the motherboard BIOS. 3600MHz and under you can almost always get what's on the sticker, as long as you've enabled XMP (or DOCP in AMD world). However, it becomes more dicey over 3600MHz. If you're going for super fast RAM, always check what your motherboard and CPU are capable of or you might end up paying for expensive "fast" RAM that you can only run at like 3600MHz anyways. And, of course, remember to check that you have XMP enabled. You don't want to buy some nice 3600MHz RAM and then run it at 2133MHz.

 

[Nena Trinity]

9 minutes ago, Chris Pratt said:

For RAM, you can virtually go with any reputable brand. They're differentiating now mostly on looks and RGBness, which tells you a lot about the difference in the internals. If you're doing RAM intensive applications, it's pretty much the more MHz the better. However, there's diminishing returns over 3600MHz. For most applications 3200-3600MHz is still the sweet spot. DDR4, of course. And, don't over buy. For mostly playing City Skylines, I can't see needing more than 16GB. Buying more RAM doesn't make your computer faster, as long as you have enough. Once you get to that point where you've got what you need, anything else just sits there unused.

 

Also pay attention to how many memory lanes you have. The most common is dual-channel, which means you should always be using two equal sticks. For 16GB total, that means 2x8GB. Using a single stick of 16GB for example, will get you worse performance, because it can't use both channels at the same time. Quad-channel would obviously mean 4 sticks, but I don't think you're going to run into that with your build.

 

Then, note the memory timings. Some manufacturers will try to get you here, offering what seems like a better value on RAM, but only because it has looser timings. The timing are series of numbers delineated by dashes after the MHz rating, like 16-18-18-36. Memory timings are a vastly complex discussion, but suffice to say lower numbers here is better, and as a general rule of thumb the first timing should be no more than 1/200 of the MHz rating (i.e. remove the zeros and divide by two). So for 3200MHz, look for a 16, for 3600Mhz, look for an 18. However, again, lower is better, so if you can get 3600Mhz with a 16, go for that. You don't need to pay much attention to this honestly, just be on the look out for something crazy like 2400MHz with an 18. That would be some crazy bad RAM. It also helps when comparison shopping. If two sets of sticks are virtually identical and same price, pick the one with the better (lower) timings.

 

Finally, be aware that most RAM natively clocks at around 2133MHz or 2400MHz. The advertised Mhz is actually overclocked. In Intel world, this is referred to as its XMP (eXtreme Memory Profile), and often has to be enabled in the motherboard BIOS. 3600MHz and under you can almost always get what's on the sticker, as long as you've enabled XMP (or DOCP in AMD world). However, it becomes more dicey over 3600MHz. If you're going for super fast RAM, always check what your motherboard and CPU are capable of or you might end up paying for expensive "fast" RAM that you can only run at like 3600MHz anyways. And, of course, remember to check that you have XMP enabled. You don't want to buy some nice 3600MHz RAM and then run it at 2133MHz.

 

RAM sweet spot IMO is 3200MHz/CL16

[UpTheDons]

PCPartPicker Part List: https://es.pcpartpicker.com/list/D77sNq

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor  (€172.26 @ Amazon Espana) 
Motherboard: MSI B450M PRO-VDH MAX Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard  (€82.24 @ PC Componentes) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory  (€109.99 @ Corsair) 
Storage: Crucial P1 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive  (€73.13 @ Amazon Espana) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  (€62.10 @ Amazon Espana) 
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1660 SUPER 6 GB VENTUS XS OC Video Card  (€258.15 @ PC Componentes) 
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply  (€74.95 @ Amazon Espana) 
Total: €832.82
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-06-18 12:52 CEST+0200

 

i would go with this. Better value to go with ryzen rn. This is a bit over but i went for 3600 ram not 3200.

[bradRED22]

57 minutes ago, Mateyyy said:

I'd probably get a Z490 Gaming Edge Wi-Fi instead of the TUF Z490-Plus (if you really need onboard Wi-Fi, otherwise you can save some more money), get a smaller cheaper CPU cooler (NH-U12S chromax.black, Dark Rock 4) and get a better GPU.

For memory, a 3600MHz CL16 kit would be ideal, though 3200 CL16 or 3600 CL18 will also do.

if I use the Z490 Gaming Edge Wi-Fi, can I still as Eighjan said, use the  3600MHz DDR4 ? might be dumb question but just scared ill mess it up

[bradRED22]

55 minutes ago, Nena Trinity said:

RX 5600XT would be a better performer IMO hell even better is 5700 or 5700XT! :3

true but 100 euro more expensive

[Mateyyy]

4 minutes ago, bradRED22 said:

if I use the Z490 Gaming Edge Wi-Fi, can I still as Eighjan said, use the  3600MHz DDR4 ? might be dumb question but just scared ill mess it up

Yes, 3600MHz should be quite easy for Comet Lake-S CPUs like the 10600K, and that board should have no problem handling it.

[bradRED22]

47 minutes ago, Chris Pratt said:

For RAM, you can virtually go with any reputable brand. They're differentiating now mostly on looks and RGBness, which tells you a lot about the difference in the internals. If you're doing RAM intensive applications, it's pretty much the more MHz the better. However, there's diminishing returns over 3600MHz. For most applications 3200-3600MHz is still the sweet spot. DDR4, of course. And, don't over buy. For mostly playing City Skylines, I can't see needing more than 16GB. Buying more RAM doesn't make your computer faster, as long as you have enough. Once you get to that point where you've got what you need, anything else just sits there unused.

 

Also pay attention to how many memory lanes you have. The most common is dual-channel, which means you should always be using two equal sticks. For 16GB total, that means 2x8GB. Using a single stick of 16GB for example, will get you worse performance, because it can't use both channels at the same time. Quad-channel would obviously mean 4 sticks, but I don't think you're going to run into that with your build.

 

Then, note the memory timings. Some manufacturers will try to get you here, offering what seems like a better value on RAM, but only because it has looser timings. The timing are series of numbers delineated by dashes after the MHz rating, like 16-18-18-36. Memory timings are a vastly complex discussion, but suffice to say lower numbers here is better, and as a general rule of thumb the first timing should be no more than 1/200 of the MHz rating (i.e. remove the zeros and divide by two). So for 3200MHz, look for a 16, for 3600Mhz, look for an 18. However, again, lower is better, so if you can get 3600Mhz with a 16, go for that. You don't need to pay much attention to this honestly, just be on the look out for something crazy like 2400MHz with an 18. That would be some crazy bad RAM. It also helps when comparison shopping. If two sets of sticks are virtually identical and same price, pick the one with the better (lower) timings.

 

Finally, be aware that most RAM natively clocks at around 2133MHz or 2400MHz. The advertised Mhz is actually overclocked. In Intel world, this is referred to as its XMP (eXtreme Memory Profile), and often has to be enabled in the motherboard BIOS. 3600MHz and under you can almost always get what's on the sticker, as long as you've enabled XMP (or DOCP in AMD world). However, it becomes more dicey over 3600MHz. If you're going for super fast RAM, always check what your motherboard and CPU are capable of or you might end up paying for expensive "fast" RAM that you can only run at like 3600MHz anyways. And, of course, remember to check that you have XMP enabled. You don't want to buy some nice 3600MHz RAM and then run it at 2133MHz.

 

this is all stuff I didnt know, thank you!!!

[Chris Pratt]

30 minutes ago, bradRED22 said:

this is all stuff I didnt know, thank you!!!

I forgot to mention to pay attention to your motherboard layout as well. If it's a mini ITX and there's only two slots, it doesn't matter, but if you're install two sticks in a board with 4 slots, you generally install them in alternating slots. The book that comes with your board should tell you exactly which slots to use. If you install them in the wrong slots, you can end up in the same situation as just having a single stick, because they're not actually running dual-channel.