Posted May 16, 2020 (edited) So I'm not sure how to test for this let alone find others who have, but I'm curious to see if my i7 6700K is bottlenecking my RTX 2080 TI. I recently upgraded from a GTX 1080 and obviously gaming performance is significantly better, but, i'm wondering if there is any bottleneck present, therefore meaning that i could be achieving even better performance with a more modern cpu like say an i9 9900 or something. i dont have extra money to spend on the system right now and i only have the 1 pc so im wondering if anyone else has ever tested this before. Monitor: Asus PG279Q 1440p 165Hz - likely not to change anytime soon Edited May 16, 2020 by TX_Hazzrd added display information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 16, 2020 Author Just now, BlueScope819 said: First thing. i9 9900? Just get a 3800x. To determine this, look at task manager while in a game and compare gpu useage to CPU useage. If CPU is pegged at 100%, you have a bottleneck. sounds simple enough. and i just threw out i9 as an example. i built this pc back in 2016 and i havent kept up with all the cpus that have been coming out since then so im not familiar lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 16, 2020 I mean, you could do bottle neck calculator at https://pc-builds.com/calculator/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, dean334 said: I mean, you could do bottle neck calculator at https://pc-builds.com/calculator/ Lol. 5 minutes ago, dean334 said: I mean, you could do bottle neck calculator at https://pc-builds.com/calculator/ Hahahahahaha. 5 minutes ago, dean334 said: I mean, you could do bottle neck calculator at https://pc-builds.com/calculator/ ROFL. 5 minutes ago, dean334 said: I mean, you could do bottle neck calculator at https://pc-builds.com/calculator/ Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. 12 minutes ago, TX_Hazzrd said: So I'm not sure how to test for this let alone find others who have, but I'm curious to see if my i7 6700K is bottlenecking my RTX 2080 TI. I recently upgraded from a GTX 1080 and obviously gaming performance is significantly better, but, i'm wondering if there is any bottleneck present, therefore meaning that i could be achieving even better performance with a more modern cpu like say an i9 9900 or something. i dont have extra money to spend on the system right now and i only have the 1 pc so im wondering if anyone else has ever tested this before. We are going to need to know at what resolution you play. If there is a chance that it is then it will be at lower resolutions and with certain games. AMD Ryzen 5800X| Fractal Design S36 360 AIO w/6 Corsair SP120L fans | Asus Crosshair VII WiFi X470 | G.SKILL TridentZ 4400CL19 2x8GB @ 3800MHz 14-14-14-14-30 | EVGA 3080 FTW3 Hybrid | Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 500GB - Boot Drive | Samsung 850 EVO SSD 1TB - Game Drive | Seagate 1TB HDD - Media Drive | EVGA 650 G3 PSU | Thermaltake Core P3 Case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 16, 2020 Author 3 minutes ago, dean334 said: I mean, you could do bottle neck calculator at https://pc-builds.com/calculator/ nice, didnt even know this existed. it does suggest a significant bottleneck. ill be looking into worthwhile upgrades eventually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 16, 2020 Author 1 minute ago, nick name said: Lol. Hahahahahaha. ROFL. Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. We are going to need to know at what resolution you play. If there is a change that it is then it will be at lower resolutions and with certain games. ill state it here and then edit the original post to show that information. Im on a 2k monitor (1440p) that turbos to 165hz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 16, 2020 1 minute ago, TX_Hazzrd said: ill state it here and then edit the original post to show that information. Im on a 2k monitor (1440p) that turbos to 165hz What games do you play? AMD Ryzen 5800X| Fractal Design S36 360 AIO w/6 Corsair SP120L fans | Asus Crosshair VII WiFi X470 | G.SKILL TridentZ 4400CL19 2x8GB @ 3800MHz 14-14-14-14-30 | EVGA 3080 FTW3 Hybrid | Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 500GB - Boot Drive | Samsung 850 EVO SSD 1TB - Game Drive | Seagate 1TB HDD - Media Drive | EVGA 650 G3 PSU | Thermaltake Core P3 Case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 16, 2020 Author Just now, nick name said: What games do you play? Dying Light Modern Warfare GTA V (this actually got a worse framerate when i upgraded from my 1080 which really confused me) Killing Floor 2 DOOM Eternal I play a lot of different games these are just my current primary rotation I know games that have a lot of ai or other "events" happening are a lot more cpu intensive so im sure that effects a fair amount of games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 16, 2020 @TX_Hazzrd it will depend on the games you play, but yes, the i7-6700K (especially at stock frequencies) can bottleneck a RTX 2080. Overclocking the CPU can ease up the bottleneck a bit, considering the i7-6700K runs only at 4.0 GHz / 4.2 GHz with it's 4 cores / 8 threads at stock. Intel Z390 Rig ( *NEW* Primary ) Intel X99 Rig (Officially Decommissioned, Dead CPU returned to Intel) i7-8086K @ 5.1 GHz Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master Sapphire NITRO+ RX 6800 XT S.E + EKwb Quantum Vector Full Cover Waterblock 32GB G.Skill TridentZ DDR4-3000 CL14 @ DDR-3400 custom CL15 timings SanDisk 480 GB SSD + 1TB Samsung 860 EVO + 500GB Samsung 980 + 1TB WD SN750 EVGA SuperNOVA 850W P2 + Red/White CableMod Cables Lian-Li O11 Dynamic EVO XL Ekwb Custom loop + 2x EKwb Quantum Surface P360M Radiators Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum + Corsair K70 (Red LED, anodized black, Cheery MX Browns) AMD Ryzen Rig AMD R7-5800X Gigabyte B550 Aorus Pro AC 32GB (16GB X 2) Crucial Ballistix RGB DDR4-3600 Gigabyte Vision RTX 3060 Ti OC EKwb D-RGB 360mm AIO Intel 660p NVMe 1TB + Crucial MX500 1TB + WD Black 1TB HDD EVGA P2 850W + White CableMod cables Lian-Li LanCool II Mesh - White Intel Z97 Rig (Decomissioned) Intel i5-4690K @ 4.8 GHz ASUS ROG Maximus VII Hero Z97 Sapphire Vapor-X HD 7950 EVGA GTX 1070 SC Black Edition ACX 3.0 20 GB (8GB X 2 + 4GB X 1) Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600 MHz Corsair A50 air cooler NZXT X61 Crucial MX500 1TB SSD + SanDisk Ultra II 240GB SSD + WD Caviar Black 1TB HDD + Kingston V300 120GB SSD [non-gimped version] Antec New TruePower 550W EVGA G2 650W + White CableMod cables Cooler Master HAF 912 White NZXT S340 Elite w/ white LED stips AMD 990FX Rig (Decommissioned) FX-8350 @ 4.8 / 4.9 GHz (given up on the 5.0 / 5.1 GHz attempt) ASUS ROG Crosshair V Formula 990FX 12 GB (4 GB X 3) G.Skill RipJawsX DDR3 @ 1866 MHz Sapphire Vapor-X HD 7970 + Sapphire Dual-X HD 7970 in Crossfire Sapphire NITRO R9-Fury in Crossfire *NONE* Thermaltake Frio w/ Cooler Master JetFlo's in push-pull Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD + Kingston V300 120GB SSD + WD Caviar Black 1TB HDD Corsair TX850 (ver.1) Cooler Master HAF 932 <> Electrical Engineer , B.Eng <> <> Electronics & Computer Engineering Technologist (Diploma + Advanced Diploma) <> <> Electronics Engineering Technician for the Canadian Department of National Defence <> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 16, 2020 Author 2 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said: >>>> To determine this, look at task manager while in a game and compare gpu useage to CPU useage. If CPU is pegged at 100%, you have a bottleneck. <<<< lol i know, i got that. I was just replying to the i9 comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 16, 2020 Author 2 minutes ago, -rascal- said: @TX_Hazzrd it will depend on the games you play, but yes, the i7-6700K (especially at stock frequencies) can bottleneck a RTX 2080. Overclocking the CPU can ease up the bottleneck a bit, considering the i7-6700K runs only at 4.0 GHz / 4.2 GHz with it's 4 cores / 8 threads at stock. 13 minutes ago, dean334 said: I mean, you could do bottle neck calculator at https://pc-builds.com/calculator/ yeah when i used the tool dean334 suggested it recommended upgrading to an i7 8700k which showed considerable performance increase. no clue about pricing but it does use the same socket my current motherboard has so I wont have to deal with the hassle of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 16, 2020 11 minutes ago, nick name said: Lol. Hahahahahaha. ROFL. Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. We are going to need to know at what resolution you play. If there is a chance that it is then it will be at lower resolutions and with certain games. well, what do you expect from a newbie. A full thesis answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 16, 2020 Author this isnt showing me what graphics card its using so idk where its getting these numbers but it is a consiberable improvement between each processor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, TX_Hazzrd said: yeah when i used the tool dean334 suggested it recommended upgrading to an i7 8700k which showed considerable performance increase. no clue about pricing but it does use the same socket my current motherboard has so I wont have to deal with the hassle of that CAREFUL! Even though the socket number is the same... 6th and 7th gen Intel is on LGA 1151 Rev 1. 8th and 9th Gen Intel is on LGA 1151 Rev 2. i7-8700K will ONLY work in a 300-series motherboard (e.g. Z370 or Z390, etc). Quote The LGA 1151 socket was revised for the Coffee Lake generation CPUs and comes along with the Intel 300-series chipsets.[31] While physical dimensions remain unchanged, the updated socket reassigns some reserved pins, adding power and ground lines to support the requirements of 6-core and 8-core CPUs. The new socket also relocates the processor detection pin, breaking compatibility with earlier processors and motherboards. As a result, desktop Coffee Lake CPUs are officially not compatible with the 100 (original Skylake) and 200 (Kaby Lake) series chipsets.[32] Similarly, 300 series chipsets officially only support Coffee Lake and are not compatible with Skylake and Kaby Lake CPUs. Socket 1151 rev 2 is sometimes also referred to as "1151-2". Intel Z390 Rig ( *NEW* Primary ) Intel X99 Rig (Officially Decommissioned, Dead CPU returned to Intel) i7-8086K @ 5.1 GHz Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master Sapphire NITRO+ RX 6800 XT S.E + EKwb Quantum Vector Full Cover Waterblock 32GB G.Skill TridentZ DDR4-3000 CL14 @ DDR-3400 custom CL15 timings SanDisk 480 GB SSD + 1TB Samsung 860 EVO + 500GB Samsung 980 + 1TB WD SN750 EVGA SuperNOVA 850W P2 + Red/White CableMod Cables Lian-Li O11 Dynamic EVO XL Ekwb Custom loop + 2x EKwb Quantum Surface P360M Radiators Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum + Corsair K70 (Red LED, anodized black, Cheery MX Browns) AMD Ryzen Rig AMD R7-5800X Gigabyte B550 Aorus Pro AC 32GB (16GB X 2) Crucial Ballistix RGB DDR4-3600 Gigabyte Vision RTX 3060 Ti OC EKwb D-RGB 360mm AIO Intel 660p NVMe 1TB + Crucial MX500 1TB + WD Black 1TB HDD EVGA P2 850W + White CableMod cables Lian-Li LanCool II Mesh - White Intel Z97 Rig (Decomissioned) Intel i5-4690K @ 4.8 GHz ASUS ROG Maximus VII Hero Z97 Sapphire Vapor-X HD 7950 EVGA GTX 1070 SC Black Edition ACX 3.0 20 GB (8GB X 2 + 4GB X 1) Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600 MHz Corsair A50 air cooler NZXT X61 Crucial MX500 1TB SSD + SanDisk Ultra II 240GB SSD + WD Caviar Black 1TB HDD + Kingston V300 120GB SSD [non-gimped version] Antec New TruePower 550W EVGA G2 650W + White CableMod cables Cooler Master HAF 912 White NZXT S340 Elite w/ white LED stips AMD 990FX Rig (Decommissioned) FX-8350 @ 4.8 / 4.9 GHz (given up on the 5.0 / 5.1 GHz attempt) ASUS ROG Crosshair V Formula 990FX 12 GB (4 GB X 3) G.Skill RipJawsX DDR3 @ 1866 MHz Sapphire Vapor-X HD 7970 + Sapphire Dual-X HD 7970 in Crossfire Sapphire NITRO R9-Fury in Crossfire *NONE* Thermaltake Frio w/ Cooler Master JetFlo's in push-pull Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD + Kingston V300 120GB SSD + WD Caviar Black 1TB HDD Corsair TX850 (ver.1) Cooler Master HAF 932 <> Electrical Engineer , B.Eng <> <> Electronics & Computer Engineering Technologist (Diploma + Advanced Diploma) <> <> Electronics Engineering Technician for the Canadian Department of National Defence <> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 16, 2020 Author 1 minute ago, -rascal- said: CAREFUL! Even though the socket number is the same... 6th and 7th gen Intel is on LGA 1151 Rev 1. 8th and 9th Gen Intel is on LGA 1151 Rev 2. You can't use a i7-8700K will ONLY work in a 300-series motherboard (e.g. Z370 or Z390, etc). whelp they are incompatible, thanks for the heads up. theres a lot i need to learn. ive built 3 systems but im no pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 16, 2020 Do you use MSI Afterburner? It has an overlay that will show CPU and GPU usage while gaming. It's useful to see the utilization of each component. AMD Ryzen 5800X| Fractal Design S36 360 AIO w/6 Corsair SP120L fans | Asus Crosshair VII WiFi X470 | G.SKILL TridentZ 4400CL19 2x8GB @ 3800MHz 14-14-14-14-30 | EVGA 3080 FTW3 Hybrid | Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe 500GB - Boot Drive | Samsung 850 EVO SSD 1TB - Game Drive | Seagate 1TB HDD - Media Drive | EVGA 650 G3 PSU | Thermaltake Core P3 Case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 16, 2020 Author 6 minutes ago, nick name said: Do you use MSI Afterburner? It has an overlay that will show CPU and GPU usage while gaming. It's useful to see the utilization of each component. yeah i just havent set up the overlay i overclocked the graphics card too which got me an extra 10ish fps in heaven benchmark so at least the cpu isnt bottlenecking that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, TX_Hazzrd said: whelp they are incompatible, thanks for the heads up. theres a lot i need to learn. ive built 3 systems but im no pro. If you are going to have to swap out the motherboard along with the CPU, consider something from the Ryzen 3000-series instead. Wait for the Intel 10th Gen reviews to officially release and see how those are (don't get your hopes up too much, though). Like I said before, just overclock your i7-6700K for the time being. If you bring it up to 4.6 GHz ~ 4.8 GHz (even 5.0 GHz if you can), it should give you a noticeable amount of performance bump. Intel Z390 Rig ( *NEW* Primary ) Intel X99 Rig (Officially Decommissioned, Dead CPU returned to Intel) i7-8086K @ 5.1 GHz Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master Sapphire NITRO+ RX 6800 XT S.E + EKwb Quantum Vector Full Cover Waterblock 32GB G.Skill TridentZ DDR4-3000 CL14 @ DDR-3400 custom CL15 timings SanDisk 480 GB SSD + 1TB Samsung 860 EVO + 500GB Samsung 980 + 1TB WD SN750 EVGA SuperNOVA 850W P2 + Red/White CableMod Cables Lian-Li O11 Dynamic EVO XL Ekwb Custom loop + 2x EKwb Quantum Surface P360M Radiators Logitech G502 Proteus Spectrum + Corsair K70 (Red LED, anodized black, Cheery MX Browns) AMD Ryzen Rig AMD R7-5800X Gigabyte B550 Aorus Pro AC 32GB (16GB X 2) Crucial Ballistix RGB DDR4-3600 Gigabyte Vision RTX 3060 Ti OC EKwb D-RGB 360mm AIO Intel 660p NVMe 1TB + Crucial MX500 1TB + WD Black 1TB HDD EVGA P2 850W + White CableMod cables Lian-Li LanCool II Mesh - White Intel Z97 Rig (Decomissioned) Intel i5-4690K @ 4.8 GHz ASUS ROG Maximus VII Hero Z97 Sapphire Vapor-X HD 7950 EVGA GTX 1070 SC Black Edition ACX 3.0 20 GB (8GB X 2 + 4GB X 1) Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600 MHz Corsair A50 air cooler NZXT X61 Crucial MX500 1TB SSD + SanDisk Ultra II 240GB SSD + WD Caviar Black 1TB HDD + Kingston V300 120GB SSD [non-gimped version] Antec New TruePower 550W EVGA G2 650W + White CableMod cables Cooler Master HAF 912 White NZXT S340 Elite w/ white LED stips AMD 990FX Rig (Decommissioned) FX-8350 @ 4.8 / 4.9 GHz (given up on the 5.0 / 5.1 GHz attempt) ASUS ROG Crosshair V Formula 990FX 12 GB (4 GB X 3) G.Skill RipJawsX DDR3 @ 1866 MHz Sapphire Vapor-X HD 7970 + Sapphire Dual-X HD 7970 in Crossfire Sapphire NITRO R9-Fury in Crossfire *NONE* Thermaltake Frio w/ Cooler Master JetFlo's in push-pull Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD + Kingston V300 120GB SSD + WD Caviar Black 1TB HDD Corsair TX850 (ver.1) Cooler Master HAF 932 <> Electrical Engineer , B.Eng <> <> Electronics & Computer Engineering Technologist (Diploma + Advanced Diploma) <> <> Electronics Engineering Technician for the Canadian Department of National Defence <> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Posted May 16, 2020 Author 13 minutes ago, -rascal- said: If you are going to have to swap out the motherboard along with the CPU, consider something from the Ryzen 3000-series instead. Wait for the Intel 10th Gen reviews to officially release and see how those are (don't get your hopes up too much, though). Like I said before, just overclock your i7-6700K for the time being. If you bring it up to 4.6 GHz ~ 4.8 GHz (even 5.0 GHz if you can), it should give you a noticeable amount of performance bump. i have been hearing that ryzen has been doing very good lately in the cpu market Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 16, 2020 Author 9 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said: I'm asking you to do that and let me know the results. going to try eternal next and see how that goes. will post results when i do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 16, 2020 Author 16 minutes ago, BlueScope819 said: I'm asking you to do that and let me know the results. wow, cpu is definitely not at 100% but the gpu is soo low. its barely being used Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 17, 2020 22 minutes ago, TX_Hazzrd said: Is your GPU usage at 52% or 86%? Gaming With a 4:3 CRT System specs below Build: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1142393-yay-i-switched-to-amd-price-update CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X with a Noctua NH-U9S cooler Motherboard: Gigabyte B450 Aorus M (Because it was cheap) RAM: 32GB (4 x 8GB) Corsair Vengance LPX 3200Mhz CL16 GPU: EVGA GTX 980 Ti SC Blower Card HDD: 7200RPM TOSHIBA DT01ACA100 1TB, External HDD: 5400RPM 2TB WD My Passport SSD: 1tb Samsung 970 evo m.2 nvme PSU: Corsair CX650M Displays: ViewSonic VA2012WB LCD 1680x1050p @ 75Hz Gateway VX920 CRT: 1920x1440@65Hz, 1600x1200@75Hz, 1200x900@100Hz, 960x720@125Hz Gateway VX900 CRT: 1920x1440@64Hz, 1600x1200@75Hz, 1200x900@100Hz, 960x720@120Hz (Can be pushed to 175Hz) Keyboard: Thermaltake eSPORTS MEKA PRO with Cherry MX Red switches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 17, 2020 1 hour ago, TX_Hazzrd said: 1 hour ago, dean334 said: I mean, you could do bottle neck calculator at https://pc-builds.com/calculator/ nice, didnt even know this existed. it does suggest a significant bottleneck. ill be looking into worthwhile upgrades eventually I and many others here would not trust bottleneck calculators. Gaming With a 4:3 CRT System specs below Build: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1142393-yay-i-switched-to-amd-price-update CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 5700X with a Noctua NH-U9S cooler Motherboard: Gigabyte B450 Aorus M (Because it was cheap) RAM: 32GB (4 x 8GB) Corsair Vengance LPX 3200Mhz CL16 GPU: EVGA GTX 980 Ti SC Blower Card HDD: 7200RPM TOSHIBA DT01ACA100 1TB, External HDD: 5400RPM 2TB WD My Passport SSD: 1tb Samsung 970 evo m.2 nvme PSU: Corsair CX650M Displays: ViewSonic VA2012WB LCD 1680x1050p @ 75Hz Gateway VX920 CRT: 1920x1440@65Hz, 1600x1200@75Hz, 1200x900@100Hz, 960x720@125Hz Gateway VX900 CRT: 1920x1440@64Hz, 1600x1200@75Hz, 1200x900@100Hz, 960x720@120Hz (Can be pushed to 175Hz) Keyboard: Thermaltake eSPORTS MEKA PRO with Cherry MX Red switches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted May 17, 2020 Author 1 hour ago, MadAnt250 said: Is your GPU usage at 52% or 86%? Lol I didn't even notice that. When I get off work tomorrow I'll mess around with it and see why it's showing 2 values Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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