Adding A Pump To An AIO

[nick name]

I've been very tempted to add a pump/reservoir to my current Fractal Design Celsius S36.  Would running a pump with the current pump ruin both?  Could I run the better pump without the AIO pump without ruining the better pump?  

[Electronics Wizardy]

Is there a reason why you want to add a pump? Its not doing to help much, as the pump doesn't affect temps much, and the included pump is fine. Those aios aren't really ment to be messed with.

[TrigrH]

Just now, Electronics Wizardy said:

Those aios aren't really ment to be messed with.

The Celsius S36 has fittings on the radiator side, its designed for expansion, adding a pump would increase flow rate but not much point if you aren't adding a GPU block.

[nick name]

Just now, Electronics Wizardy said:

Is there a reason why you want to add a pump? Its not doing to help much, as the pump doesn't affect temps much, and the included pump is fine. Those aios aren't really ment to be messed with.

i'm assuming that faster pump speeds would mean better immediate cooling.  I say this owning another gen 4.5 Asetek AIO that I run on my GPU and that faster pump speed is apparently better at cooling (according to Gamers Nexus in a passing statement).

[nick name]

1 minute ago, TrigrH said:

The Celsius S36 has fittings on the radiator side, its designed for expansion, adding a pump would increase flow rate but not much point if you aren't adding a GPU block.

That higher flow rate has to reduce CPU temps . . . right?

[Electronics Wizardy]

1 minute ago, nick name said:

i'm assuming that faster pump speeds would mean better immediate cooling.  I say this owning another gen 4.5 Asetek AIO that I run on my GPU and that faster pump speed is apparently better at cooling (according to Gamers Nexus in a passing statement).

I wouldn't bother if your not adding anouther block. Increasing pump speed doesn't help temps much.

[Electronics Wizardy]

Just now, nick name said:

That higher flow rate has to reduce CPU temps . . . right?

Yea, but not very much. Look ata this video, less than 2 degress from min to max pump speed on a aio. 

 

[nick name]

Just now, Electronics Wizardy said:

I wouldn't bother if your not adding anouther block. Increasing pump speed doesn't help temps much.

Bahhh I was hoping it would.  If only 5*C.  

 

My GPU has it's own AIO.  

[nick name]

Just now, Electronics Wizardy said:

Yea, but not very much. Look ata this video, less than 2 degress from min to max pump speed on a aio. 

 

But I am talking about running double the pump speed. 

[Electronics Wizardy]

Just now, nick name said:

But I am talking about running double the pump speed. 

Even then, very small difference, If going min to max less only a degress or two, doulbing will probably help even less. If cpu tempts are a issue id go full custom water cooling.

[nick name]

Just now, Electronics Wizardy said:

Even then, very small difference, If going min to max less only a degress or two, doulbing will probably help even less. If cpu tempts are a issue id go full custom water cooling.

I do want full custom, but that's so much more than just adding a pump/reservoir.  

[nick name]

2 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said:

Even then, very small difference, If going min to max less only a degress or two, doulbing will probably help even less. If cpu tempts are a issue id go full custom water cooling.

And me adding a pump/reservoir to my AIO is a solid step towards full custom.  

[LIGISTX]

10 minutes ago, nick name said:

And me adding a pump/reservoir to my AIO is a solid step towards full custom.  

Adding a pump really won't make much difference. In a previous comment you said you will "double your pump speed" which is not true. You will up the pressure a bit, but the water speed will not go faster than the fastest pump in the system... Depending on how much slower the AOI pump is than a D5 pump at full speed, it likely would slow the water down as its one more restriction in the system. But, it would up the head pressure a bit, so its hard to really say if that is true either.

 

Basically, you would be spending ~100-150 bucks for effectively nothing meaningful. A 360 rad is plenty of cooling capacity for a CPU alone. If you did want to do something more useful, add a radiator. That will cost less, and will result in lower temps with lower fan speed which is the real point of water cooling. Everyone gets stuck up on water cooling being superior, really it isn't all that better if you are not using a lot of rad space. The reason its so effective (potentially...) is you can add a HUGE amount of cooling surface area which results in a much quieter system. Yes, it lowers temps a bit, and it gets a lot of heat out of your case all together which is good for the rest of the components, but the REAL point of it is noise.

 

If you add another radiator, say a 280 that is 45mm thick, or 60mm if you can fit it in your case, you will be able to drastically drop your fan noise and have the same temps. The system in my sig, with its 420 x 45mm abd 280 x 60mm runs all fans at 750 RPM max, and in game load my 2080 @ 2025 MHz is about 49-53c depending on ambient (usually 70-78f ish) and my 9900k @ 4.9 is in the high 50's and low 60's. And at 750 RPM, its basically silent. At idle, I ONLY run my top 420 (3x140) fans (no other case fans at all are on), and I run them at 615 RPM which is actually completely inaudible.This is the real benefit of water cooling... And, radiators never wear out, so you can keep them forever. To be fair, D5 pumps last basically forever as well, but point is a radiator you would be able to use in the future as well, and would make a more meaningful change that is actually tangible. If i had to guess, with your current cooling solution, without knowing what CPU you even have, its likely running in the 50's in game load, maybe low 60's worst case. Your about 10-15c under even worrying about... But quieter.... quieter is nice. 

[Guest]

57 minutes ago, nick name said:

I've been very tempted to add a pump/reservoir to my current Fractal Design Celsius S36.  Would running a pump with the current pump ruin both?  Could I run the better pump without the AIO pump without ruining the better pump?  

My Brother, I'm going to help you. Despite the fellas above with the pump idea.... I'm going to say yes and for sure do it. Let me explain why.

 

AIO, the pump is first failure. Adding a pump just ensures you have good flow and when the AIO pump actually does die, you won't notice it because your new pump will likely be a higher GPH. So yes yes yes, do the pump idea and go with it. Anyone says not to..... heh. nvm.

 

So the res is actually a good idea. Got a place to fill, easier for maintanence. Going from not able to, to now... custom.... customized.... you're just about fully there. 

 

Later, the radiator. The cheaper AIOs are aluminum. You want to go copper. Lastly, but most important is that AIO waterblock. It will be a major difference going to a full copper waterblock, and there's a reason why they aren't so cheap.

 

Anyhow. Take lots of pictures. Subbed.

 

[Sophia_Borjia]

If you are expanding AIO with Al radiator with 2nd rad, a second Al one would be good idea.  If block is copper and replacing radiator, then go copper.

Many AIO use copper block with Al rad.  Adding a copper rad to Al radiator could cause issues.  Adding second Al or replacing to have all copper system should be okay.

 

Ratio of different metals has an affect on corrosion, small amount of copper with lots of aluminium will corrode less then if amounts are more even.  So a second copper radiator in addition to aluminum would near worst possible mixing of metals.  Additional Al should make issue slightly better, assuming coolant is as corrosion preventative as factory fill was.

Swapping all aluminum for copper would be best, but at that point might as well of just made custom loop to begin with.

 

Faster flow evens out temp. delta of inlet to outlet.  If it is 4 degree rise across block, doubling flow would make it 2.  Blocks may have a smaller delta then that already.  Pumping twice fluid through a restriction takes 4x the pressure difference across restriction.  Pumps also flow less volume at higher pressures(few exceptions, but those pump types are not used in computer water cooling)  So, even quad pumps would at best improve core to core temp difference by couple degrees.  Extra pumps are for redundancy, not flow.

[nick name]

I was thinking something like this:

 

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01FTLPNEC/ref=crt_ewc_title_srh_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AVJVORAZOW99L

 

 

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, nick name said:

I was thinking something like this:

 

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B01FTLPNEC/ref=crt_ewc_title_srh_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=AVJVORAZOW99L

 

 

Nice litlle unit.

Thermal take was one of the first to release a water cooling kit such as the Big Water SE. More of a custom loop kit than AIO the pumps are halfway decent. I had gotten quite a few years from mine.