RX 5700-xt performance issues on Fallout 76

[Mister Woof]

@i_build_nanosuits

 

Interesting results; or maybe not....we're both pretty close to the benchmark standard for this game 

 

[i_build_nanosuits]

4 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

@i_build_nanosuits

 

Interesting results; or maybe not....we're both pretty close to the benchmark standard for this game 

 

someone over there really did it's homework, im beating their 1080ti by 4FPS due to the slightly higher clocks im rocking. Making my result faster than RTX 2080 stock.

[Mister Woof]

Just now, i_build_nanosuits said:

someone over there really did it's homework im best their 1080ti by 4FPS due to the slightly higher clocks im rocking. Making my result faster than RTX 2080 stock.

 

I used to use a Vega 64, and i got better results than theirs. I had an undervolt, +50% power limit, and a slight oc (1702mhz core, 945mhz hbm).

 

I don't have the screens anymore, but at 1440p i was getting 71fps in the same benchmark. Of course, a stock Vega 64 left to its own devices is overvolted to the moon from the factory and throttles itself to around 1450mhz. Mine held around -1650mhz with the undervolt and power limit removed. 

 

Frankly, I was pretty satisfied with the Vega 64 performance. However, my wife was not happy with her RX 580 anymore, so the only LOGICAL thing to do was....

 

Buy myself a new GPU so she could have my old one 

 

The 5700 XT is actually pretty close to the stock configuration of the card. It came with a P3 of 2124mhz/1250mv. Fan curve was max 40% and only then at 70c core, which never really happened, because hotspot would throttle before that anyway because of the 40% fan max curve.

 

I just slightly bumped up the core, lowered the voltage, and shot the fan curve into outer space. So not really overclocked at all.....but from my understanding there's limited overclocking capability with these navi cards, somewhat similar to the Ryzen chips.

[Gohardgrandpa]

The 1080ti is holding up really good. I dont have shadow of the tomb raider or I would do the benchmark to see what I get

[Mister Woof]

1 minute ago, Gohardgrandpa said:

The 1080ti is holding up really good. I dont have shadow of the tomb raider or I would do the benchmark to see what I get

I'm just using the free trial. It has the built in benchmark.

[Gohardgrandpa]

1 minute ago, Mister Woof said:

I'm just using the free trial. It has the built in benchmark.

Ah thanks for that, I will download it now and run it to see what I get, Steam says it will take 5 minutes for the download

 

[Mister Woof]

Just now, Gohardgrandpa said:

Ah thanks for that, I will download it now and run it to see what I get

 

Gl lol....for science, I boosted my power limit +50% and am running the 1440p/max benchmark. 

 

I can't say how stable this is, but it completed it. Screen shot inbound.

[Gohardgrandpa]

Just now, Mister Woof said:

Gl lol....for science, I boosted my power limit +50% and am running the 1440p/max benchmark. 

 

I can't say how stable this is, but it completed it. Screen shot inbound.

I'll be running it at 1080p on my monitor then I'll run it on my 4k tv for shits and giggles

[Mister Woof]

9 minutes ago, Gohardgrandpa said:

I'll be running it at 1080p on my monitor then I'll run it on my 4k tv for shits and giggles

@i_build_nanosuits

 

so, did the +50 power limit trick......results are pretty good, if i say so myself, matched that reference 1080 ti

 

 

 

 

 

but then....there's THIS 

 

 

I mean.....it's still within AMD spec (110c hotspot wtf AMD) but....yeah, not gonna attempt to keep it this way. And it probably isn't very stable.

[Gohardgrandpa]

Damn I didn't even think of recording the HWinfo stuff for gpu temp, I'll run it again right now.

Can you run yours at 1080p and see what you get @Mister Woof

[Mister Woof]

1 minute ago, Gohardgrandpa said:

Damn I didn't even think of recording the HWinfo stuff for gpu temp, I'll run it again right now.

Can you run yours at 1080p and see what you get @Mister Woof

in what configuration? i don't think the temps would be any better at 1080p at that OC setting.

 

i'll run it at 1080p with my undervolted settings and report back temps though

[Mister Woof]

13 minutes ago, Gohardgrandpa said:

Damn I didn't even think of recording the HWinfo stuff for gpu temp, I'll run it again right now.

Can you run yours at 1080p and see what you get @Mister Woof

This is with max fan curve of around 65%, and undervolted/underclocked. I usually run it this way. There's a minuscule difference in performance for a lot less heat and noise compared to my other settings. Compared to my other setting of 2150mhz/1176mv, i get a whopping 1fps less at 1440p and 2fps less at 1080p

 

[Gohardgrandpa]

This is what I got at 1080p max settings, ryzen 3600x and rx5700xt sapphire pulse

[Mister Woof]

3 minutes ago, Gohardgrandpa said:

This is what I got at 1080p max settings, ryzen 3600x and rx5700xt sapphire pulse

 

yeah these hotspot temps are insane lol...dunno whats up with these cards. my understanding is the way its being recorded is different, and all along cards have indeed been this hot in the past, but just not measured properly.

 

who knows. all i know is that triple digits scare me lol

[Gohardgrandpa]

Yeah I hear ya, I feel like it's a number they shouldn't include because it will freak some people out. As long as the rest of my stuff is within the norm temp wise I dont worry about it. I just installed ryzen master and set it to auto overclock to see if it made a difference and it did.

 

 

[IndioBravo]

So I tried it out (using @Mister Woof aggressive settings), and this is what I got at 1080p max:

 

How does it look? I can see it is a like 10-15fps lower than yours´

 

@Gohardgrandpa

 

[IndioBravo]

Also, this are some of the metrics while it was testing:

 

GPU temp:

 

 

GPU clock speed:

 

 

CPU usage of the most utilized core:

 

[Mister Woof]

17 minutes ago, Pablo Molina said:

So I tried it out (using @Mister Woof aggressive settings), and this is what I got at 1080p max:

 

How does it look? I can see it is a like 10-15fps lower than yours´

 

@Gohardgrandpa

 

seems about right; the 3600x and 8700k are a fair bit stronger than the 2600x. if you run it at 1440p though you'll probably get very similar results

[i_build_nanosuits]

47 minutes ago, Pablo Molina said:

So I tried it out (using @Mister Woof aggressive settings), and this is what I got at 1080p max:

 

How does it look? I can see it is a like 10-15fps lower than yours´

 

@Gohardgrandpa

 

Only 30% of the time your gpu was limiting factor in this bench at 1080p...so 70% of the benchmark was cpu limited....

[Gohardgrandpa]

@Pablo Molina

Your results look right to me. About 10 fps lower then mine and that accounts for the IPC difference going from ryzen 2000 to ryzen 3000.

 

If I could get this cpu to go higher clock speed I’d be able to compete with @Mister Woof but we know ryzen is at its max out of the box unfortunately  

[IndioBravo]

33 minutes ago, Mister Woof said:

seems about right; the 3600x and 8700k are a fair bit stronger than the 2600x. if you run it at 1440p though you'll probably get very similar results

 

2 minutes ago, i_build_nanosuits said:

Only 30% of the time your gpu was limiting factor in this bench at 1080p...so 70% of the benchmark was cpu limited....

Thanks!

 

I see, I`ll test it at 1440p just to check, but I think it is pretty much clear that the bottleneck is mostly the CPU.

 

I am looking to upgrade, but from the little research I`ve made, people recommend to wait for 4th gen AMD, which means I`d have to upgrade my MoBo aswell.

[Mister Woof]

2 minutes ago, Gohardgrandpa said:

@Pablo Molina

Your results look right to me. About 10 fps lower then mine and that accounts for the IPC difference going from ryzen 2000 to ryzen 3000.

 

If I could get this cpu to go higher clock speed I’d be able to compete with @Mister Woof but we know ryzen is at its max out of the box unfortunately  

i had to give my CPU a lobotomy though, so there's that.

[Gohardgrandpa]

@Pablo Molina

If I were you I’d wait for the next gen ryzen cpus. Your not that far behind me performance wise. Your system is good and it’s running games fine, I wouldn’t waste money on ryzen 3000. 
 

@Mister Woof

thank you for helping in this thread by providing numbers. 

[Mister Woof]

2 minutes ago, Gohardgrandpa said:

@Pablo Molina

If I were you I’d wait for the next gen ryzen cpus. Your not that far behind me performance wise. Your system is good and it’s running games fine, I wouldn’t waste money on ryzen 3000. 
 

@Mister Woof

thank you for helping in this thread by providing numbers. 

totally agree - if you ignore the "% GPU bound" numbers and look at the actual result, you're talking about a difference between ~110fps and 100fps. I mean, can you even notice that? 

Obiously the FPS lows/frametime will be the most apparent, but still.......is it worth the trouble/money to get an incremental upgrade, or wait a bit?

I'd wait.

[IndioBravo]

Thank you very much @Mister Woof @Gohardgrandpa @i_build_nanosuits and everyone else who helped with this thread.

 

Many things have been made clear for me and I know what my next steps are.

 

Stay safe!