Jump to content

Why Did BTX Die?

I'm an IT student at a trade school (and I am graduating just as the pandemic stabs the economy, FML), and one thing has made me curious ever since we covered motherboard form factors. Specifically, how the form factor that was supposed to replace the venerable ATX family of form factors, BTX, was killed almost as soon as it was released.

 

So I was wondering why that is. I grant you, the extent of my knowledge of the form factor is that the RAM slots were oriented to be parallel with the Expansion slots, and so they wouldn't be in the way of the airflow over the CPU and its cooler. And that's it. As far as I know, there wasn't - or shouldn't - be any other differences between the two standards.

 

So I guess that's my real question: Why hasn't ATX adopted the one major physical difference between the two form factors, especially for the Enthusiast (and perhaps Research) market where cooling is so vital to performance that some are even willing to de-lid their CPUs in order to mod the chip for maximum cooling.

 

...Is there a place we can make requests for Tech Quickie episodes?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

3 minutes ago, K9Thefirst1 said:

...Is there a place we can make requests for Tech Quickie episodes?

 

"We're all in this together, might as well be friends" Tom, Toonami.

 

mini eLiXiVy: my open source 65% mechanical PCB, a build log, PCB anatomy and discussing open source licenses: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1366493-elixivy-a-65-mechanical-keyboard-build-log-pcb-anatomy-and-how-i-open-sourced-this-project/

 

mini_cardboard: a 4% keyboard build log and how keyboards workhttps://linustechtips.com/topic/1328547-mini_cardboard-a-4-keyboard-build-log-and-how-keyboards-work/

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

17 minutes ago, K9Thefirst1 said:

And that's it. As far as I know, there wasn't - or shouldn't - be any other differences between the two standards.

Well the cpu was also at the front of the board, and got fresh air from the intake at the front

 

There normally wasn't any exaust fans, just the main intake at the front.

 

The layout was backwards, so a dual slot card will stick up and normally not fit in a 16 at the top.

 

 

I think the big killer was core 2 chips. BTX was made to deal with hot p4 and pentium d chips, and with core 2 that wasn't an issue anymore.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

2 hours ago, K9Thefirst1 said:

I'm an IT student at a trade school (and I am graduating just as the pandemic stabs the economy, FML), and one thing has made me curious ever since we covered motherboard form factors. Specifically, how the form factor that was supposed to replace the venerable ATX family of form factors, BTX, was killed almost as soon as it was released.

 

So I was wondering why that is. I grant you, the extent of my knowledge of the form factor is that the RAM slots were oriented to be parallel with the Expansion slots, and so they wouldn't be in the way of the airflow over the CPU and its cooler. And that's it. As far as I know, there wasn't - or shouldn't - be any other differences between the two standards.

 

So I guess that's my real question: Why hasn't ATX adopted the one major physical difference between the two form factors, especially for the Enthusiast (and perhaps Research) market where cooling is so vital to performance that some are even willing to de-lid their CPUs in order to mod the chip for maximum cooling.

 

...Is there a place we can make requests for Tech Quickie episodes?

There in fact, are board which have the DIMM slots parallel with the expansion ports. EVGA Z390 DARK, and my personal Asus M2N32 SLI Deluxe, for example. My guess is that the BTX "advantages" really weren't there for the consumer, and it required a completely different case layout. This would have stratified the cases for either ATX or BTX.

Main: AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D, Nvidia GTX 1080 Ti, 16 GB 4400 MHz DDR4 Fedora 38 x86_64

Secondary: AMD Ryzen 5 5600G, 16 GB 2667 MHz DDR4, Fedora 38 x86_64

Server: AMD Athlon PRO 3125GE, 32 GB 2667 MHz DDR4 ECC, TrueNAS Core 13.0-U5.1

Home Laptop: Intel Core i5-L16G7, 8 GB 4267 MHz LPDDR4x, Windows 11 Home 22H2 x86_64

Work Laptop: Intel Core i7-10510U, NVIDIA Quadro P520, 8 GB 2667 MHz DDR4, Windows 10 Pro 22H2 x86_64

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

Funny: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BTX_(form_factor)

 

Quote

BTX (for Balanced Technology eXtended) is a form factor for motherboards, originally intended to be the replacement for the aging ATX motherboard form factor in late 2004 and early 2005.

It was designed to alleviate some of the issues that arose from using newer technologies (which often demand more power and create more heat) on motherboards compliant with the circa 1996 ATX specification.

And here we are still using ATX 15 years later 😄

 

So apparently it was designed to cool the "scorching" P4s that were replaced by Core which was much less power hungry and removed the need... yet funnily enough it looks like the highest TDP SKUs of those P4 "furnaces" is about 115W, which is nothing compared to some of today's parts... I'm currently running a CPU that will pump up to 280W, and an ATX case can deal with it just fine... and I can run my 9900K at 130W in a 4.7L case with a GPU.

 

I think it just shows that people learnt case airflow was a thing and just putting a couple more cheap fans was probably more sensible than redesigning the whole form factor.

 

Nowadays we're at a stage where any "consumer" mid level PC runs cool enough that nothing special is required, and for the few who want high performance cooling has become part of the fun, so all is good with the world...

 

Pretty crazy that we're using a 24 year old standard. But hey, if it works it works.

F@H
Desktop: i9-13900K, ASUS Z790-E, 64GB DDR5-6000 CL36, RTX3080, 2TB MP600 Pro XT, 2TB SX8200Pro, 2x16TB Ironwolf RAID0, Corsair HX1200, Antec Vortex 360 AIO, Thermaltake Versa H25 TG, Samsung 4K curved 49" TV, 23" secondary, Mountain Everest Max

Mobile SFF rig: i9-9900K, Noctua NH-L9i, Asrock Z390 Phantom ITX-AC, 32GB, GTX1070, 2x1TB SX8200Pro RAID0, 2x5TB 2.5" HDD RAID0, Athena 500W Flex (Noctua fan), Custom 4.7l 3D printed case

 

Asus Zenbook UM325UA, Ryzen 7 5700u, 16GB, 1TB, OLED

 

GPD Win 2

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

×