guys help me please!! building new PC! help!

[andrewson9]

Hello, im building a new pc. The cpu i chosed is ryzen 5 3600. The gpu i wanted to be a rtx 2070 super.. but here is the problem, i dont know which one (gigabyte, msi, etc.) I kinda like the msi xtrio, but its one of the most expensive... can you guys please give me some tips, help, which gpu should i choose?

The pc is primary for GAMING.

Thanks

[Shreyas1]

1 minute ago, andrewson9 said:

Hello, im building a new pc. The cpu i chosed is ryzen 5 3600. The gpu i wanted to be a rtx 2070 super.. but here is the problem, i dont know which one (gigabyte, msi, etc.) I kinda like the msi xtrio, but its one of the most expensive... can you guys please give me some tips, help, which gpu should i choose?

The pc is primary for GAMING.

Thanks

how much more expensive and what are your other parts 

 

Tbh it really shouldn't be too much of a difference as long as they're both aftermarket and not blower style cards, get the cheaper one, money can possibly best be used for other parts 

( or games, if you're gaming )

 

[Arrogath]

I found this article
https://premiumbuilds.com/graphics-cards/best-rtx-2070-super-card/
personally, as long as you just want good bang for buck you're better off going with the suggested "best cheap option"
if you're planning on watercooling it changes the game entirely though

[DailyProcrastinator]

5 minutes ago, andrewson9 said:

Hello, im building a new pc. The cpu i chosed is ryzen 5 3600. The gpu i wanted to be a rtx 2070 super.. but here is the problem, i dont know which one (gigabyte, msi, etc.) I kinda like the msi xtrio, but its one of the most expensive... can you guys please give me some tips, help, which gpu should i choose?

The pc is primary for GAMING.

Thanks

What is your total budget and location? For the most part paying more for a different GPU cooler design rarely yields better results worth the price increase. Unless you have the cash to burn I would just get one of the better but lower priced 2070S.

[andrewson9]

Just now, Arrogath said:

I found this article
https://premiumbuilds.com/graphics-cards/best-rtx-2070-super-card/
personally, as long as you just want good bang for buck you're better off going with the suggested "best cheap option"
if you're planning on watercooling it changes the game entirely though

nah, im not planning watercooling.. yeah i saw i too, gigabyte windforce is the budget option, but what pisses is that it doesnt glow like the msi's xtrio...

[Shreyas1]

Just now, andrewson9 said:

nah, im not planning watercooling.. yeah i saw i too, gigabyte windforce is the budget option, but what pisses is that it doesnt glow like the msi's xtrio...

I mean, at that point it's more of a personal decision on whether you want to spend a lot extra on making your pc look good, personally I would spend the extra money on better other parts ( if possible ) or games

[andrewson9]

3 minutes ago, Shreyas1 said:

how much more expensive and what are your other parts 

 

Tbh it really shouldn't be too much of a difference as long as they're both aftermarket and not blower style cards, get the cheaper one, money can possibly best be used for other parts 

( or games, if you're gaming )

 

30 000CZK is my budget (1200eur, 1400usd) or around that u know.. i dont know the other parts yet, bcs i wanted to chose first that graphix card and then the motherboard.. or have you got some suggestions? mtb+gpu ? (rtx2070 only)

[Arrogath]

1 minute ago, andrewson9 said:

nah, im not planning watercooling.. yeah i saw i too, gigabyte windforce is the budget option, but what pisses is that it doesnt glow like the msi's xtrio...

My main complaint about the really expensive 2070 super models is at that point you might as well buy a cheap 2080 super

[andrewson9]

3 minutes ago, JM21 said:

What is your total budget and location? For the most part paying more for a different GPU cooler design rarely yields better results worth the price increase. Unless you have the cash to burn I would just get one of the better but lower priced 2070S.

yeah, deeply inside i think i know it too... but i really like the msi's designs (mb, cases etc.)

budget is 1400usd

[Arrogath]

Just now, andrewson9 said:

yeah, deeply inside i think i know it too... but i really like the msi's designs (mb, cases etc.)

budget is 1400usd

you'll need more of that budget for good ram with the 3600 so it might be better to avoid overpriced light shows IMO

[andrewson9]

2 minutes ago, Shreyas1 said:

I mean, at that point it's more of a personal decision on whether you want to spend a lot extra on making your pc look good, personally I would spend the extra money on better other parts ( if possible ) or games

i think i feel it same way, but i just realy like the look of the xtrio... i just wanted to know if there some other pluses ...

[Arrogath]

1 minute ago, andrewson9 said:

i think i feel it same way, but i just realy like the look of the xtrio... i just wanted to know if there some other pluses ...

marginally better performance if you like overclocking at a price/performance rate where you'd be better off spending elsewhere

[andrewson9]

1 minute ago, Arrogath said:

you'll need more of that budget for good ram with the 3600 so it might be better to avoid overpriced light shows IMO

ive found the hyperx 16gb ddr4 3600mhz predator rgb, thoughts? (or there are too some g.skill "same satts as hyperx", or corsair)

 

[andrewson9]

1 minute ago, Arrogath said:

marginally better performance if you like overclocking at a price/performance rate where you'd be better off spending elsewhere

im not into overclocking or that stuff... im not some pc guys, im new there, so i just want to buy and play

[Arrogath]

Just now, andrewson9 said:

ive found the hyperx 16gb ddr4 3600mhz predator rgb, thoughts? (or there are too some g.skill "same satts as hyperx", or corsair)

3600 is a good sweet spot in terms of speed, just a matter of how crazy you want to go with timings in terms of rating, and whether you want to chase samsung b-die for overclocking headroom and super tight timings

[DailyProcrastinator]

7 minutes ago, andrewson9 said:

yeah, deeply inside i think i know it too... but i really like the msi's designs (mb, cases etc.)

budget is 1400usd

$1400 is a decent budget actually, does this include a monitor and other peripherals, or do you have those items already? 

[andrewson9]

12 minutes ago, Arrogath said:

3600 is a good sweet spot in terms of speed, just a matter of how crazy you want to go with timings in terms of rating, and whether you want to chase samsung b-die for overclocking headroom and super tight timings

man i dont understand this IT clocking or what  i wont do anything with that, no timings, i hope u understand me

[andrewson9]

14 minutes ago, JM21 said:

$1400 is a decent budget actually, does this include a monitor and other peripherals, or do you have those items already? 

nah, it includes only the setup in "case" ive got some monitor (nothing special, but i will accept it for now)

[DailyProcrastinator]

1 minute ago, andrewson9 said:

nah, it includes only the setup in "case" ive got some monitor (nothing special, but i will accept it for now)

In that case:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$174.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler	$44.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard	$114.89 @ B&H
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$74.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Western Digital Blue SN550 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$64.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Seagate FireCuda 2 TB 2.5" 5400RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive	$60.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	MSI GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB GAMING X Video Card	$534.99 @ B&H
Case	Phanteks Eclipse P300A Mesh ATX Mid Tower Case	$49.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply	Corsair RMx (2018) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$89.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1220.81
	Mail-in rebates	-$10.00
	Total	$1210.81
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-09 14:20 EDT-0400

Still leaves the option for RGB fans and RAM if that is your thing.

[Arrogath]

3 minutes ago, andrewson9 said:

man i dont understand this IT clocking or what  i wont do anything with that, no timings, i hope u understand me

I understand, in that case you're better off just buying a 3600 cl16 rated kit, setting up the xmp/docp profile in the bios and leaving the rest to optimized defaults. If you can't find a cl16 kit or it's too expensive higher delay kits are still perfectly fine. I know the price per GB really ramps up after cl17, especially with b-die kits.

[andrewson9]

3 minutes ago, JM21 said:

In that case:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$174.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master Hyper 212 RGB Black Edition 57.3 CFM CPU Cooler	$44.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard	$114.89 @ B&H
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$74.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Western Digital Blue SN550 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$64.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Seagate FireCuda 2 TB 2.5" 5400RPM Hybrid Internal Hard Drive	$60.99 @ Newegg
Video Card	MSI GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB GAMING X Video Card	$534.99 @ B&H
Case	Phanteks Eclipse P300A Mesh ATX Mid Tower Case	$49.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply	Corsair RMx (2018) 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$89.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1220.81
	Mail-in rebates	-$10.00
	Total	$1210.81
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-03-09 14:20 EDT-0400

Still leaves the option for RGB fans and RAM if that is your thing.

so there are mine questions please forgive me for some stupid ones
are you sure with tomahawk? ive heard that they didnt support the 3rd gen ryzen, that u will need to update bios (i dont know a single shit about bios), is b450 enough?
why g.skill? is it better than hyperx ? or just cheaper?
the gpu.. 2 fans? is it that cheaper? (sorry i know the prices only in czk)
power supply is only 550W is it enough?
and tha case.. ehhh..
but thank you very much, just excuse me for that stupid comments, i just want to learn more about it...
 

[andrewson9]

15 minutes ago, Arrogath said:

I understand, in that case you're better off just buying a 3600 cl16 rated kit, setting up the xmp/docp profile in the bios and leaving the rest to optimized defaults. If you can't find a cl16 kit or it's too expensive higher delay kits are still perfectly fine. I know the price per GB really ramps up after cl17, especially with b-die kits.

yeah so there are these options hyperx fury or predator, g.skill or corsair? your suggestions ?

 

[DailyProcrastinator]

3 minutes ago, andrewson9 said:

are you sure with tomahawk? ive heard that they didnt support the 3rd gen ryzen, that u will need to update bios (i dont know a single shit about bios), is b450 enough?

All MSI MAX motherboards support 3rd Gen out of the box, so no concerns here. You won't get a single improvement with X570. The Tomahawk MAX has good VRM cooling as well.

 

5 minutes ago, andrewson9 said:

why g.skill? is it better than hyperx ? or just cheaper?

G.skill is one of the better memory options as is Kingston, but I chose this kit based on the speed of 3600MHz and its current $/GB pricing this will vary based on your country. if you want RGB RAM these are also good options:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QDhKHx/corsair-vengeance-rgb-pro-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3200-memory-cmw16gx4m2c3200c16

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6jBTwP/gskill-trident-z-rgb-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c18d-16gtzrx

Just go for a 2x8GB kit of 3200MHz RAM or faster at the least.

8 minutes ago, andrewson9 said:

the gpu.. 2 fans? is it that cheaper? (sorry i know the prices only in czk)

2 Fans is enough, the cooling support is good on the Gaming X, especially since you seem to no want to OC, if you spend more on your GPU you aren't going to see any return on your investment.

Refer to this list if you actually care for GPU cooling:

 

13 minutes ago, andrewson9 said:

power supply is only 550W is it enough?

More than enough. The 'estimated' max draw on PCpartpicker is 400W which gets the number by calculating the max draw of each component, in the real word each component will NEVER simultaneously draw at its max. Spending more on a PSU is a complete waster of money, you could upgrade to a R9 3900x and a 2080 Ti and still be okay with a quality 550W PSU. I have an R7 3800x and a 1080 Ti with a ton of fans and SSD's + HDD's, I have never seen my system draw more than 400W MAX, even under very high workloads, I guarantee you will never draw more than 300W max.

 

Whatever you choose for a PSU make sure it is a quality unit. Cheaping out can be a costly mistake, a bad PSU can kill hardware. Refer to this list when choosing:

I recommend no less than Tier B, but Tier A and up is ideal.

 

17 minutes ago, andrewson9 said:

and tha case.. ehhh..

The case is not the prettiest but it has a TG panel and a mesh front panel meaning your components actually get air unlike most closed front panel cases, so that is something to keep in mind. Cases with TG on front of the intake fans look nice but cut tons of airflow, if you are concerned about getting a 3-fan GPU over a 2-fan GPU you should be far more concerned about the limiting airflow of most modern cases. However the big brother of the P330a is the P400a, which is a lot nicer but still provides you with the airflow benefits.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QdXYcf/phanteks-eclipse-p400a-digital-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec400atg_dbk

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FP3mP6/phanteks-eclipse-p400a-digital-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec400atg_dwt

 

25 minutes ago, andrewson9 said:

but thank you very much, just excuse me for that stupid comments, i just want to learn more about it...

The only stupid questions are the ones not asked. I hope this information helps you make an informed decision!

[andrewson9]

31 minutes ago, JM21 said:

All MSI MAX motherboards support 3rd Gen out of the box, so no concerns here. You won't get a single improvement with X570. The Tomahawk MAX has good VRM cooling as well.

 

G.skill is one of the better memory options as is Kingston, but I chose this kit based on the speed of 3600MHz and its current $/GB pricing this will vary based on your country. if you want RGB RAM these are also good options:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QDhKHx/corsair-vengeance-rgb-pro-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3200-memory-cmw16gx4m2c3200c16

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/6jBTwP/gskill-trident-z-rgb-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c18d-16gtzrx

Just go for a 2x8GB kit of 3200MHz RAM or faster at the least.

2 Fans is enough, the cooling support is good on the Gaming X, especially since you seem to no want to OC, if you spend more on your GPU you aren't going to see any return on your investment.

Refer to this list if you actually care for GPU cooling:

 

More than enough. The 'estimated' max draw on PCpartpicker is 400W which gets the number by calculating the max draw of each component, in the real word each component will NEVER simultaneously draw at its max. Spending more on a PSU is a complete waster of money, you could upgrade to a R9 3900x and a 2080 Ti and still be okay with a quality 550W PSU. I have an R7 3800x and a 1080 Ti with a ton of fans and SSD's + HDD's, I have never seen my system draw more than 400W MAX, even under very high workloads, I guarantee you will never draw more than 300W max.

 

Whatever you choose for a PSU make sure it is a quality unit. Cheaping out can be a costly mistake, a bad PSU can kill hardware. Refer to this list when choosing:

I recommend no less than Tier B, but Tier A and up is ideal.

 

The case is not the prettiest but it has a TG panel and a mesh front panel meaning your components actually get air unlike most closed front panel cases, so that is something to keep in mind. Cases with TG on front of the intake fans look nice but cut tons of airflow, if you are concerned about getting a 3-fan GPU over a 2-fan GPU you should be far more concerned about the limiting airflow of most modern cases. However the big brother of the P330a is the P400a, which is a lot nicer but still provides you with the airflow benefits.

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QdXYcf/phanteks-eclipse-p400a-digital-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec400atg_dbk

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/FP3mP6/phanteks-eclipse-p400a-digital-atx-mid-tower-case-ph-ec400atg_dwt

 

The only stupid questions are the ones not asked. I hope this information helps you make an informed decision!

man u are my hero.. thanks for every word.. what about this case? Coolermaster masterbox td500 mesh black.. but that p400 loooks great too

and btw... the gpu with 2 fans is for same price as xtrio, should i still go for the gaming x?

[andrewson9]

@JM21 dont you mind if u wrote down here the setup i will chose? so u can quickly check it