Posted February 26, 2020 Con someone explain what Cores/Threads/Cache do in a cpu and which ones are more important/what I should be looking ofr when buying a cpu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 26, 2020 It depends on what you will be doing with your computer. For gaming, generally higher clocks are better, while for productivity, some programs will benefit more from more cores/threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 26, 2020 Normally don't look at specs of a cpu, look at its performance in what you want to do. What do you want your cpu to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 26, 2020 these components all have definitions you can google. type "what is cache of a CPU" into google and see if it makes sense none of these things are directly important for guessing performance because a CPU that has a ton of cache might be older than a CPU that's got less cache, but the new CPU would likely have better performance. same thing with cores, a super old CPU with a ton of cores can be outperformed by a modern CPU with less cores easily. I WILL find your ITX build thread, and I WILL recommend the SIlverstone Sugo SG13B Primary PC: i7 8086k - EVGA Z370 Classified K - G.Skill Trident Z RGB - WD SN750 - Jedi Order Titan Xp - Hyper 212 Black (with RGB Riing flair) - EVGA G3 650W - dual booting Windows 10 and Linux - Black and green theme, Razer brainwashed me. Draws 400 watts under max load, for reference. How many watts do I need? ATX 3.0 & PCIe 5.0 spec, PSU misconceptions, protections explained, group reg is bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 26, 2020 Cores and threads are your processing units. More cores, more processing units. Cache is just very fast ram. Generally, Cache is something you don't really worry about as a general consumer. If gaming, faster cores/threads are better. If productivity, more cores/threads. Recommendation: Ryzen 5 3600 or i5-9400. Ryzen 5 3600 is very good in both worlds. If you prefer Intel, i5 is pretty good too. What's your budget and what do you plan on doing? I build computers and networks. Fibre Optic is my only dream imaginable. Studying for my CompTIA A+ and my CCNA, if you have any tips, let me know please! Main PC: i5 8400, Saphire RX 570 4GB, ASUS TUF Z370 PLUS Gaming, 32GB 3200MHz Patriot Viper RAM, 256GB Kingston SSD, 2TB Seagate Barracuda HDD, 550W Evga PSU. Home Server: 2x Xeon e5410, 64GB DDR2 ECC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 26, 2020 Good place to start... https://www.guru99.com/cpu-core-multicore-thread.html Or Youtube as well. "Do what makes the experience better" - in regards to PCs and Life itself. Onyx : AMD Ryzen 7 7800x3d / MSI 6900xt Gaming X Trio / Gigabyte B650 AORUS Pro AX / G. Skill Flare X5 6000CL36 32GB / Samsung 980 1TB x3 / Super Flower Leadex V Platinum Pro 850 / EK-AIO 360 Basic / Fractal Design North XL (black mesh) / AOC AGON 35" 3440x1440 100Hz / Mackie CR5BT / Corsair Virtuoso SE / Cherry MX Board 3.0 / Logitech G502 7800X3D - PBO -30 all cores, 4.90GHz all core, 5.05GHz single core, 18286 C23 multi, 1779 C23 single Emma : i9 9900K @5.1Ghz - Gigabyte AORUS 1080Ti - Gigabyte AORUS Z370 Gaming 5 - G. Skill Ripjaws V 32GB 3200CL16 - 750 EVO 512GB + 2x 860 EVO 1TB (RAID0) - EVGA SuperNova 650 P2 - Thermaltake Water 3.0 Ultimate 360mm - Fractal Design Define R6 - TP-Link AC1900 PCIe Wifi Raven: AMD Ryzen 5 5600x3d - ASRock B550M Pro4 - G. Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 3200Mhz - XFX Radeon RX6650XT - Samsung 980 1TB + Crucial MX500 1TB - TP-Link AC600 USB Wifi - Gigabyte GP-P450B PSU - Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L - Samsung 27" 1080p Plex : AMD Ryzen 5 5600 - Gigabyte B550M AORUS Elite AX - G. Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 2400Mhz - MSI 1050Ti 4GB - Crucial P3 Plus 500GB + WD Red NAS 4TBx2 - TP-Link AC1200 PCIe Wifi - EVGA SuperNova 650 P2 - ASUS Prime AP201 - Spectre 24" 1080p Steam Deck 512GB OLED OnePlus: OnePlus 11 5G - 16GB RAM, 256GB NAND, Eternal Green OnePlus Buds Pro 2 - Eternal Green Other Tech: - 2021 Volvo S60 Recharge T8 Polestar Engineered - 415hp/495tq 2.0L 4cyl. turbocharged, supercharged and electrified. - Lenovo 720S Touch 15.6" - i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM 2400MHz, 512GB NVMe SSD, 1050Ti, 4K touchscreen - MSI GF62 15.6" - i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM 2400 MHz, 256GB NVMe SSD + 1TB 7200rpm HDD, 1050Ti - Ubiquiti Amplifi HD mesh wifi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 26, 2020 Author 2 minutes ago, callmejaccob said: Cores and threads are your processing units. More cores, more processing units. Cache is just very fast ram. Generally, Cache is something you don't really worry about as a general consumer. If gaming, faster cores/threads are better. If productivity, more cores/threads. Recommendation: Ryzen 5 3600 or i5-9400. Ryzen 5 3600 is very good in both worlds. If you prefer Intel, i5 is pretty good too. What's your budget and what do you plan on doing? I was looking at the ryzen 1600 for a balance of productivity and gaming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 26, 2020 Author 3 minutes ago, Electronics Wizardy said: Normally don't look at specs of a cpu, look at its performance in what you want to do. What do you want your cpu to do? I'm going to both play games, record, sometimes stream, video edit. Looking at a ryzen 5 1600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 26, 2020 9 minutes ago, DrQuickDroqqed said: what I should be looking ofr when buying a cpu Benchmarks. With benchmarks, you dont even need to know what cores, threads and cache do CPU: i7-2600K 4751MHz 1.44V (software) --> 1.47V at the back of the socket Motherboard: Asrock Z77 Extreme4 (BCLK: 103.3MHz) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 RAM: Adata XPG 2x8GB DDR3 (XMP: 2133MHz 10-11-11-30 CR2, custom: 2203MHz 10-11-10-26 CR1 tRFC:230 tREFI:14000) GPU: Asus GTX 1070 Dual (Super Jetstream vbios, +70(2025-2088MHz)/+400(8.8Gbps)) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro 256GB (main boot drive), Transcend SSD370 128GB PSU: Seasonic X-660 80+ Gold Case: Antec P110 Silent, 5 intakes 1 exhaust Monitor: AOC G2460PF 1080p 144Hz (150Hz max w/ DP, 121Hz max w/ HDMI) TN panel Keyboard: Logitech G610 Orion (Cherry MX Blue) with SteelSeries Apex M260 keycaps Mouse: BenQ Zowie FK1 Model: HP Omen 17 17-an110ca CPU: i7-8750H (0.125V core & cache, 50mV SA undervolt) GPU: GTX 1060 6GB Mobile (+80/+450, 1650MHz~1750MHz 0.78V~0.85V) RAM: 8+8GB DDR4-2400 18-17-17-39 2T Storage: HP EX920 1TB PCIe x4 M.2 SSD + Crucial MX500 1TB 2.5" SATA SSD, 128GB Toshiba PCIe x2 M.2 SSD (KBG30ZMV128G) gone cooking externally, 1TB Seagate 7200RPM 2.5" HDD (ST1000LM049-2GH172) left outside Monitor: 1080p 126Hz IPS G-sync Desktop benching: Cinebench R15 Single thread:168 Multi-thread: 833 SuperPi (v1.5 from Techpowerup, PI value output) 16K: 0.100s 1M: 8.255s 32M: 7m 45.93s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 26, 2020 Just now, DrQuickDroqqed said: I was looking at the ryzen 1600 for a balance of productivity and gaming Why go with 1st gen ryzen? Why not second or third gen? I build computers and networks. Fibre Optic is my only dream imaginable. Studying for my CompTIA A+ and my CCNA, if you have any tips, let me know please! Main PC: i5 8400, Saphire RX 570 4GB, ASUS TUF Z370 PLUS Gaming, 32GB 3200MHz Patriot Viper RAM, 256GB Kingston SSD, 2TB Seagate Barracuda HDD, 550W Evga PSU. Home Server: 2x Xeon e5410, 64GB DDR2 ECC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 26, 2020 8 minutes ago, DrQuickDroqqed said: Con someone explain what Cores/Threads/Cache do in a cpu and which ones are more important/what I should be looking ofr when buying a cpu Don't look at individual pieces of a CPU, without looking at the full picture. Cores are the 'brains' of a CPU. If your CPU has a lot of cores, it can do a lot of stuff at once. Some programs use a lot of cores, some only a few. Threads are like the digital version of cores. A core has 1 thread, or 2 threads if your CPU has Intel Hyperthreading/AMD Simultaneous threading. The same logic as above follows. Cache is something most people don't have to worry about. What kind of tasks are you going to be doing on your PC? What is your full system budget? I could make some recommendations based upon that. "We're all in this together, might as well be friends" Tom, Toonami. mini eLiXiVy: my open source 65% mechanical PCB, a build log, PCB anatomy and discussing open source licenses: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1366493-elixivy-a-65-mechanical-keyboard-build-log-pcb-anatomy-and-how-i-open-sourced-this-project/ mini_cardboard: a 4% keyboard build log and how keyboards work: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1328547-mini_cardboard-a-4-keyboard-build-log-and-how-keyboards-work/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 26, 2020 Author 1 minute ago, callmejaccob said: Why go with 1st gen ryzen? Why not second or third gen? It is because my budget is extremely tight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 26, 2020 Author I have around 200-250$ for the motherboard, cpu, pwoersupply, and ram. the GPU, case and ssd are already bought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 26, 2020 Author 1 minute ago, minibois said: Don't look at individual pieces of a CPU, without looking at the full picture. Cores are the 'brains' of a CPU. If your CPU has a lot of cores, it can do a lot of stuff at once. Some programs use a lot of cores, some only a few. Threads are like the digital version of cores. A core has 1 thread, or 2 threads if your CPU has Intel Hyperthreading/AMD Simultaneous threading. The same logic as above follows. Cache is something most people don't have to worry about. What kind of tasks are you going to be doing on your PC? What is your full system budget? I could make some recommendations based upon that. I have around 200-250$ for the motherboard, cpu, pwoersupply, and ram. the GPU, case and ssd are already bought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 26, 2020 Just now, DrQuickDroqqed said: I have around 200-250$ for the motherboard, cpu, pwoersupply, and ram. the GPU, case and ssd are already bought. Uhh, idk chief. I'd save some more money. I build computers and networks. Fibre Optic is my only dream imaginable. Studying for my CompTIA A+ and my CCNA, if you have any tips, let me know please! Main PC: i5 8400, Saphire RX 570 4GB, ASUS TUF Z370 PLUS Gaming, 32GB 3200MHz Patriot Viper RAM, 256GB Kingston SSD, 2TB Seagate Barracuda HDD, 550W Evga PSU. Home Server: 2x Xeon e5410, 64GB DDR2 ECC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 26, 2020 buy the Ryzen 1600AF, they're $85 and are basically a 2600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 26, 2020 4 minutes ago, DrQuickDroqqed said: I have around 200-250$ for the motherboard, cpu, pwoersupply, and ram. the GPU, case and ssd are already bought. I don't know what you have in terms of videocard, case and SSD (which could in fact alter the other recommendations) But this: PCPartPicker Part List Motherboard: ASRock B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($74.98 @ Amazon) Memory: *G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Corsair CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($67.98 @ Amazon) Total: $212.95Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteriaGenerated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-26 13:21 EST-0500 + one of those elusive 85$ Ryzen 1600 AF CPU's would probably be the cheapest you could get anything when buying new. If you can't find a 1600AF, a 2600 is also possible. To go under 250 USD, you would have to cut corners somewhere. Going to 8GB of RAM will save about 35 USD, getting a second hand CPU+Mobo+RAM combo is also possible, from someone upgrading perhaps. "We're all in this together, might as well be friends" Tom, Toonami. mini eLiXiVy: my open source 65% mechanical PCB, a build log, PCB anatomy and discussing open source licenses: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1366493-elixivy-a-65-mechanical-keyboard-build-log-pcb-anatomy-and-how-i-open-sourced-this-project/ mini_cardboard: a 4% keyboard build log and how keyboards work: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1328547-mini_cardboard-a-4-keyboard-build-log-and-how-keyboards-work/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, DrQuickDroqqed said: I have around 200-250$ for the motherboard, cpu, pwoersupply, and ram. the GPU, case and ssd are already bought. Used... generally safe join a community for this and ask lots of questions, and be patient you will get a full pc for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 26, 2020 Author 3 minutes ago, minibois said: I don't know what you have in terms of videocard, case and SSD (which could in fact alter the other recommendations) But this: PCPartPicker Part List Motherboard: ASRock B450M PRO4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($74.98 @ Amazon) Memory: *G.Skill Aegis 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: Corsair CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($67.98 @ Amazon) Total: $212.95Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteriaGenerated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-26 13:21 EST-0500 + one of those elusive 85$ Ryzen 1600 AF CPU's would probably be the cheapest you could get anything when buying new. If you can't find a 1600AF, a 2600 is also possible. To go under 250 USD, you would have to cut corners somewhere. Going to 8GB of RAM will save about 35 USD, getting a second hand CPU+Mobo+RAM combo is also possible, from someone upgrading perhaps. I am probably going to buy a powersupply for around 25$ for midweek madness which would cut 40$ giving my just enough space to fit the ryzen cpu for 85$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 26, 2020 7 minutes ago, DrQuickDroqqed said: It is because my budget is extremely tight Kinda could guess that part. I suppose then the question is, could you do any better for similar or less money? Probably not. At least with a system built around a 1600 you have easier future upgrade potential should you have more cash to spend. When I had one there was some give and take against Intel quad cores at the time. The more cores offsets the lower clock and overall efficiency in some workloads but not others. An overclock could help a bit. At least the coolers they were bundled then with didn't suck as bad as they do now. 3 minutes ago, Puffing said: Used... generally safe join a community for this and ask lots of questions, and be patient you will get a full pc for that That's my next thought. I had given away a 1600 in the past as it was essentially junk to me once Zen 2 came out. If others have also upgraded, there might be some bargains out there for used 1st gen Ryzen CPUs or even 2nd gen if you're looking in the right place at the right time. Main system: i9-7980XE, Asus X299 TUF mark 2, Noctua D15, Corsair Vengeance Pro 3200 3x 16GB 2R, RTX 3070, NZXT E850, GameMax Abyss, Samsung 980 Pro 2TB, Acer Predator XB241YU 24" 1440p 144Hz G-Sync + HP LP2475w 24" 1200p 60Hz wide gamut Gaming laptop: Lenovo Legion 5, 5800H, RTX 3070, Kingston DDR4 3200C22 2x16GB 2Rx8, Kingston Fury Renegade 1TB + Crucial P1 1TB SSD, 165 Hz IPS 1080p G-Sync Compatible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Posted February 26, 2020 1 minute ago, DrQuickDroqqed said: I am probably going to buy a powersupply for around 25$ for midweek madness which would cut 40$ giving my just enough space to fit the ryzen cpu for 85$ ??? What PSU did you find for 25$ ? Keep in mind a PSU is the part in your PC that gives every components its power. Of course price is not an indication for quality, but I find it doubtful you can find a good quality power supply for 25 USD. "We're all in this together, might as well be friends" Tom, Toonami. mini eLiXiVy: my open source 65% mechanical PCB, a build log, PCB anatomy and discussing open source licenses: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1366493-elixivy-a-65-mechanical-keyboard-build-log-pcb-anatomy-and-how-i-open-sourced-this-project/ mini_cardboard: a 4% keyboard build log and how keyboards work: https://linustechtips.com/topic/1328547-mini_cardboard-a-4-keyboard-build-log-and-how-keyboards-work/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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