Best cpu for gaming

[Seanh1818]

Title says it all. Price doesn’t matter just don’t want to spend like 3k on a ryzen threadripper

[Fasauceome]

i9 9900k, with a good overclock

 

9900KS has worse performance clock for clock because of the security patches

[Seanh1818]

2 minutes ago, Fasauceome said:

i9 9900k, with a good overclock

 

9900KS has worse performance clock for clock because of the security patches

The i9 is better than the i7 for gaming?

 

[Zando_]

1 minute ago, Seanh1818 said:

The i9 is better than the i7 for gaming?

 

Both are i9s. What @Fasauceome was saying is that the KS has some security mitigations (for vulnerabilities that don't really affect most people sadly, but Intel still has to do them anyways) that hurt the IPC. At the exact same clocks, a 9900K will be slightly faster than the 9900KS. On average a KS can clock slightly higher and come out faster, but no OCs are really guaranteed so it's down to silicon lottery. 

The i7 9700K is just a 9900K without hyperthreading. It'd be the same in any games that use less than 8 cores/threads, slower in any that use more, or if you're running something in the background (or especially if you stream and encode on the CPU). 

[Jurrunio]

3 minutes ago, Seanh1818 said:

The i9 is better than the i7 for gaming?

more threads of the same architecture, of course. You'll need the best GPU and a relatively low resolution (e.g. 9900k with 2080ti in 1080p high settings in say RDR2)

[Seanh1818]

8 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

more threads of the same architecture, of course. You'll need the best GPU and a relatively low resolution (e.g. 9900k with 2080ti in 1080p high settings in say RDR2)

i would be using it with a 2080 super is that good?

 

Also just wondering what a really good mobo would be. not too expensive. I currently have the msi h310m pro m2 plus but its small and i want a new one

[Durake]

2 minutes ago, Seanh1818 said:

i would be using it with a 2080 super is that good?

I use an AMD Ryzen 7 3800x with my 2080 SUPER. Fantastic CPU and works well with my graphics card. Using with an Intel based CPU isn't bad, just preference at that point. Then narrowing down what better fits you. Jurrunio made a good point.

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, Seanh1818 said:

i would be using it with a 2080 super is that good?

 

eh, for most games I'd rather spend less on the CPU and spend more on GPU. Clearly price does matter, unlike what you said.

[Seanh1818]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

eh, for most games I'd rather spend less on the CPU and spend more on GPU. Clearly price does matter, unlike what you said.

so you think a 9700k would be sufficient? also is the 8700 k better than the 9700k because i saw a lot of things saying that the 8700k was better

[KaitouX]

Just to make clear, if you're using higher resolutions you can use the R5 3600 with the 2080Ti and it won't be any worse than using the i9 9900K, so make sure to consider that.

[Seanh1818]

2 minutes ago, KaitouX said:

Just to make clear, if you're using higher resolutions you can use the R5 3600 with the 2080Ti and it won't be any worse than using the i9 9900K, so make sure to consider that.

please elaborate

[KaitouX]

The higher the resolution the less necessary becomes a faster CPU. At 4K basically every newer 6c/12t or more CPUs are identical.

[Jurrunio]

38 minutes ago, Seanh1818 said:

so you think a 9700k would be sufficient? also is the 8700 k better than the 9700k because i saw a lot of things saying that the 8700k was better

In tasks that use hyperthreading to the max efficiency then yes, but this does not apply to games. You'll want the soldered IHS anyway

 

24 minutes ago, Seanh1818 said:

please elaborate

Higher resolution stresses the GPU more but has near no affect on CPU, which means you can get away with worse CPUs just because the GPU won't let you run higher frame rates in the first place.

[Seanh1818]

11 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

In tasks that use hyperthreading to the max efficiency then yes, but this does not apply to games. You'll want the soldered IHS anyway

 

Higher resolution stresses the GPU more but has near no affect on CPU, which means you can get away with worse CPUs just because the GPU won't let you run higher frame rates in the first place.

so then based on this i could just get away with a 3600x?

 

[Arrogath]

1 minute ago, Seanh1818 said:

so then based on this i could just get away with a 3600x?

 

pretty much, or the 3700 if you're feeling fancy. Honestly, if you can't get a good deal on the 3600x it's too much more for little performance over the 3600

[Seanh1818]

4 minutes ago, Arrogath said:

pretty much, or the 3700 if you're feeling fancy. Honestly, if you can't get a good deal on the 3600x it's too much more for little performance over the 3600

doesnt the 3600x just have higher clock speeds?

 

also im still kinda confused. which is the best out of these - i7 9700k, i7 8700k, r7 3700x, r5 3600x?

 

 

[Arrogath]

3 minutes ago, Seanh1818 said:

doesnt the 3600x just have higher clock speeds?

from what i've heard the silicon quality isn't too different between the two sku, the 3600x just follows a different boost curve to reach its slightly higher boost speed. Keep in mind that 4.4 is a seldom used speed for light single threaded loads, otherwise the all core boost shouldn't be very different once the limits are opened up or the chip is manually clocked

[Seanh1818]

1 minute ago, Arrogath said:

from what i've heard the silicon quality isn't too different between the two sku, the 3600x just follows a different boost curve to reach its slightly higher boost speed. Keep in mind that 4.4 is a seldom used speed for light single threaded loads, otherwise the all core boost shouldn't be very different once the limits are opened up or the chip is manually clocked

also im still kinda confused. which is the best out of these - i7 9700k, i7 8700k, r7 3700x, r5 3600x?

 

[Boyohan]

4 minutes ago, Seanh1818 said:

doesnt the 3600x just have higher clock speeds?

 

The 3600x has slightly higher clock speeds compared to the 3600/3700x

 

3600: 3,6 base, boost 4,2

3600x: 3,8 base, boost 4,4

3700x: 3,6 base, boost 4,4 

 

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, Seanh1818 said:

doesnt the 3600x just have higher clock speeds?

 

also im still kinda confused. which is the best out of these - i7 9700k, i7 8700k, r7 3700x, r5 3600x?

 

 

In my opinion.

AMD 3700X 

Why - 

16 threads. 7nm, runs cooler and cheaper. That means efficiency wattage used per clock cycle.

 

8700K 9900K 9700K on and on with 14nm, done beat to death. Nothing left to squeeze out. They run hotter, yes faster (slightly), but much less efficient wattage used per clock cycle.

 

Then, after you've finally decided a 3700X would be the best bet here, strictly because it has threads and epeen , you go over to @Jurrunio Motherboard tier list thread(stickied), and pick a nice X570 chipset board. He can best recommend. 

[Boyohan]

1 minute ago, Seanh1818 said:

also im still kinda confused. which is the best out of these - i7 9700k, i7 8700k, r7 3700x, r5 3600x?

 

For a pure gaming PC I would probably say 9700K but the difference between these four CPUs is barely noticeable. 

I would probably buy the 3700x due to the lack of hyperthreading on the 9700K.

Today the lack of hyperthreading isn't a problem but who knows in a couple of years. 

 

You don't really need a x570 board so a good b450 boards is enough.

E.g. B450 Tomahawk Max

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Boyohan said:

so a good b450 boards is enough.

E.g. B450 Tomahawk Max

that's so 2000 series chips.... 

[Arrogath]

10 minutes ago, Seanh1818 said:

also im still kinda confused. which is the best out of these - i7 9700k, i7 8700k, r7 3700x, r5 3600x?

if you can find a used 8700k that would probably be a decent buy, but since it's still fairly recent I would be surprised to see good prices out there
If you're considering playing at higher details you don't need the rediculous 5ghz 9900k or an overclocked 9700k, with next generation games in mind more threads will probably be nice to have so I would lean on the 3600 (non x), 3700x or 3800x (deals and budget depending), and 8700k or 9900k. I mean I guess if there's a great deal on it the 9700k is still a solid 8 core/thread performer, but I wouldn't buy it personally

 

the performance difference between the 3600 and 3600x isn't worth the money since all you get is a light bump in max boost rate, your all core boost probably won't be too different (especially with aftermarket cooling)

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, Seanh1818 said:

so then based on this i could just get away with a 3600x?

 

depends on target frame rate, games and resolution you plan on running

 

49 minutes ago, Seanh1818 said:

also im still kinda confused. which is the best out of these - i7 9700k, i7 8700k, r7 3700x, r5 3600x?

 

Best performance for games is the 9700k, but even the 3600 non X is sufficient if you cant go past 100fps in AAA games. 

[ZzLy]

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price doesn't matter

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don't want to spend 3k

Seems a bit contradictory. What's your budget then?