[FIRST BUILD] Last Thoughts before order !

[MorderNo]

Hello everyone, 

So after about a week asking here and there about my build I've com with a final build...
Wanting your thoughts about it before ordering !  
 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$174.99 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler	$29.99 @ Newegg
Motherboard	MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard	$114.99 @ B&H
Memory	Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$77.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Crucial MX500 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive	$66.98 @ Amazon
Storage	ADATA XPG GAMMIX S11 Pro 512 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$136.34 @ Amazon
Case	Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case	$98.99 @ Walmart
Power Supply	Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply	$109.99 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$820.26
	Mail-in rebates	-$10.00
	Total	$810.26
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2020-02-14 13:34 EST-0500

 

(The price are not switching to Euro and i found parts cheaper elsewhere. Grand total is 740,74€)

I KNOW THE GPU IS MISSING BUT I AM KEEPING MY OLD 970 FROM ZOTAC UNTIL THE 3000 SERIES COME OUT

Thanks for taking time answering ! You guys are great  

[Jurrunio]

No extra case fans? Meshify C only comes with another 2, though I guess you could move over whatever the old system has.

[.Apex.]

17 minutes ago, MorderNo said:

Thanks for taking time answering ! You guys are great  

Do you need the NVMe drive? it's highly unnecessary if you don't actually have a use for it, you can go with a 1TB SATA SSD instead or look into the WD Blue SN550 1TB, and the 212 EVO is barely an upgrade over the stock cooler.

 

Otherwise everything else looks good though.

[Arwanell]

20 minutes ago, _Syn_ said:

Do you need the NVMe drive? it's highly unnecessary if you don't actually have a use for it, you can go with a 1TB SATA SSD instead or look into the WD Blue SN550 1TB, and the 212 EVO is barely an upgrade over the stock cooler.

 

Otherwise everything else looks good though.

What are you talking about? It's a great cooler

Especialy for that price

[.Apex.]

9 minutes ago, Arwanell said:

What are you talking about? It's a great cooler

Especialy for that price

I didn't say it wasn't a great cooler, but either way I've made a mistake since the 3600 comes with the Wraith Stealth and the 212 EVO is a big upgrade over that.

[MorderNo]

1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

No extra case fans? Meshify C only comes with another 2, though I guess you could move over whatever the old system has.

Never builded that or though about it. Do you have any recommendations ? Are they easy to mount ? I've an old Zalman Z11+ 
 

1 hour ago, _Syn_ said:

Do you need the NVMe drive? it's highly unnecessary if you don't actually have a use for it, you can go with a 1TB SATA SSD instead or look into the WD Blue SN550 1TB, and the 212 EVO is barely an upgrade over the stock cooler.

 

Otherwise everything else looks good though.

I don't know, do I ? It's faster right ? Like a lot faster than SSDs. But since it won't increase my gaming experience (other than loading times) maybe you are right. 
 

28 minutes ago, _Syn_ said:

I didn't say it wasn't a great cooler, but either way I've made a mistake since the 3600 comes with the Wraith Stealth and the 212 EVO is a big upgrade over that.

Try to agree guys ahah ! You lost me i don't know which cooler to get now 

[MorderNo]

46 minutes ago, Arwanell said:

What are you talking about? It's a great cooler

Especialy for that price

THat's what i was thinking... Not putting 80€for a cooler. Not with that kind of build

[.Apex.]

6 minutes ago, MorderNo said:

I don't know, do I ? It's faster right ? Like a lot faster than SSDs. But since it won't increase my gaming experience (other than loading times) maybe you are right. 

The sequential Read and Write is a lot faster yes but for some reason it doesn't affect games much, the difference is barely a few seconds at best, and from day to day usage and responsiveness they also perform very similar, in my opinion it's best to get a quality SATA SSD rather than to cheap out on an NVMe one. (not that the XPG is cheap)

6 minutes ago, MorderNo said:

Try to agree guys ahah ! You lost me i don't know which cooler to get now 

Stick with the 212 EVO.

[MorderNo]

1 minute ago, _Syn_ said:

The sequential Read and Write is a lot faster yes but for some reason it doesn't affect games much, the difference is barely a few seconds at best, and from day to day usage and responsiveness they also perform very similar, in my opinion it's best to get a quality SATA SSD rather than to cheap out on an NVMe one.

 

Stick with the 212 EVO.

 

Well thanks I ll just get the 1TB SSD then  (Maybe i ll save a few € for other stuff) 

 

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I've read that the 212 Black Edition performs better than the 212 Evo (And the evo is like 5 - 10€ more) ... Do you have experience with both of them ?

 

[.Apex.]

3 minutes ago, _Syn_ said:

in my opinion it's best to get a quality SATA SSD rather than to cheap out on an NVMe one. (not that the XPG is cheap)

Compromise would probably be a better word there, I meant you can get a 1TB SATA SSD for the same price which is a lot more valuable.

[Jurrunio]

6 minutes ago, MorderNo said:

Never builded that or though about it. Do you have any recommendations ? Are they easy to mount ? I've an old Zalman Z11+ 

Case fans are just hold on by screws on the corners. The Meshify C is better suited to using 120mm fans than 140mm fans and you should at least make it to 4 120mm fans, 1 back exhaust and the rest as front intake.

 

cheapest fan that doesn't suck is the Arctic F12

 

3 minutes ago, _Syn_ said:

Stick with the 212 EVO.

I disagree, the scissor mounting frame on the older 212 (including the evo) is an absolute pain. the new frame on the 212 Black is much better

[.Apex.]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

I disagree, the scissor mounting frame on the older 212 (including the evo) is an absolute pain. the new frame on the 212 Black is much better

Oh yeah I meant what he already chose, I wasn't aware they removed the EVO from the naming scheme

 

4 minutes ago, MorderNo said:

I've read that the 212 Black Edition performs better than the 212 Evo (And the evo is like 5 - 10€ more) ... Do you have experience with both of them ?

Stick with the 212 Black Edition*

[MorderNo]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

I disagree, the scissor mounting frame on the older 212 (including the evo) is an absolute pain. the new frame on the 212 Black is much better

I've read something like that. But now i don't know what to think ... 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Case fans are just hold on by screws on the corners. The Meshify C is better suited to using 120mm fans than 140mm fans and you should at least make it to 4 120mm fans, 1 back exhaust and the rest as front intake.

 

cheapest fan that doesn't suck is the Arctic F12

 

Easy for a newbie to build then i guess. 

So i should buy 4 of these ? 

 

https://www.amazon.fr/ARCTIC-F12-Silent-Ventilateur-Refroisisseur/dp/B0119T0D4I

[MorderNo]

1 minute ago, _Syn_ said:

Oh yeah I meant what he already chose, I wasn't aware they removed the EVO from the naming scheme

 

Stick with the 212 Black Edition*

 

Thank you for taking time answering  

[Jurrunio]

10 minutes ago, MorderNo said:

So i should buy 4 of these ? 

 

https://www.amazon.fr/ARCTIC-F12-Silent-Ventilateur-Refroisisseur/dp/B0119T0D4I

Preferably not the silent, you have fan speed control on the motherboard so slow fans means you cant turn them up even if you want to.

[MorderNo]

44 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Preferably not the silent, you have fan speed control on the motherboard so slow fans means you cant turn them up even if you want to.

Well they are even cheaper so let's go for it ! 
4 of them it is. 

Shall i keep the 2 stock fans ? Or replace them too ? 

[Jurrunio]

48 minutes ago, MorderNo said:

Well they are even cheaper so let's go for it ! 
4 of them it is. 

Shall i keep the 2 stock fans ? Or replace them too ? 

You can keep them at the top as either intake or exhaust, or even buy two less F12 fans and combine them with the stock ones. They are mediocre in every way.

[MorderNo]

Just now, Jurrunio said:

You can keep them at the top as either intake or exhaust, or even buy two less F12 fans and combine them with the stock ones. They are mediocre in every way.

I'm currently looking for what is the best setup for fans in this particular case and a lot are saying that 2 140mm at the front are the best option, with 120mm at the rear (They are even saying that the top one is not "worth" since it's only cooling down by 2% your system). 

Do you think going for 2x 140MM at the front + 1x 120mm at the rear + 1x 120mm at the top are a way to go ? 

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, MorderNo said:

I'm currently looking for what is the best setup for fans in this particular case and a lot are saying that 2 140mm at the front are the best option, with 120mm at the rear (They are even saying that the top one is not "worth" since it's only cooling down by 2% your system). 

Do you think going for 2x 140MM at the front + 1x 120mm at the rear + 1x 120mm at the top are a way to go ? 

ah, I do have some 3.5" drives so I make sure HDD cages get some airflow over them. With 140mm fans there's none going down to the PSU chamber.

 

but with 1 fan the fan mount of the other will let air go in or out which counteracts the benefits of the fan. You can solve this by blocking up the unused fan mount with something solid.

[MorderNo]

10 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

ah, I do have some 3.5" drives so I make sure HDD cages get some airflow over them. With 140mm fans there's none going down to the PSU chamber.

 

but with 1 fan the fan mount of the other will let air go in or out which counteracts the benefits of the fan. You can solve this by blocking up the unused fan mount with something solid.

Mmmh 

I wont have 3,5 HDD only 1 SSD Behind and i was thinking about puting in on the back of the Mobo (Somewhere like that since it has place to put 3 of them over there). And what is the point to cool the PSU since it has his own fan system
 

On this post you can see some of them puting their airflow setup. What do you think ? 

And if putting a top fan he even advice to put it on the lowest RPM possible 

[Jurrunio]

3 minutes ago, MorderNo said:

 

On this post you can see some of them puting their airflow setup. What do you think ? 

It is true that 140mm fans are stronger than 120mm and the length of ATX boards (305mm) means 2 140mm fans is just enough to cover up the entire side of the board and push as much air as possible to the CPU cooler and graphics card. Only problem is the cooking 3.5" bay next to the PSU but not a concern when you dont have anything in it.

They dont mention sealing off the empty fan mounts up top though, which is something I'd like to see whether that makes any difference.

[MorderNo]

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[dankmemes]

I would get the 1TB Crucial P1 NVME drive. Should be cheaper than the drive you have plus double the capacity.
 

[MorderNo]

14 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

It is true that 140mm fans are stronger than 120mm and the length of ATX boards (305mm) means 2 140mm fans is just enough to cover up the entire side of the board and push as much air as possible to the CPU cooler and graphics card. Only problem is the cooking 3.5" bay next to the PSU but not a concern when you dont have anything in it.

They dont mention sealing off the empty fan mounts up top though, which is something I'd like to see whether that makes any difference.

I've found this 

This guys has A LOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of fans. 

 

I guess i could just go for the 2 140mm front for beggining ? 
 

 

[MorderNo]

4 minutes ago, dankmemes said:

I would get the 1TB Crucial P1 NVME drive. Should be cheaper than the drive you have plus double the capacity.
 

This one : https://ssd.userbenchmark.com/SpeedTest/607339/CT1000P1SSD8 ? 

Mmmmh not a bad idea. But i've no backplan if it goes down... (Never had an issue with my 7YO SSD / HDD tho)