RAM overclock..help? Lower overclocks with better motherboard? ?

[GamerBlake]

Hey everyone,

 

I just replaced my Tier E MSI Z370-A Pro motherboard with an even better MSI MEG Z390 ACE motherboard..

 

But for some reason I’m not able to get my RAM overclocked from 3200 MHz —> 3400 MHz on my better MEG z390 ACE like I was able to do on my lower tier z370-a Pro..what’s going on?! I can’t even get 3333 MHz let alone 3400. I tried adjusting the timings and voltages (up to 1.5V since they’re Samsung B-die Corsair Dominator Platinum) and still I got the screen of failure.

 

Does anyone know what could be causing this? 

[For Science!]

2 hours ago, GamerBlake said:

 

Are you adjusting secondary and tertiary timings too? overclocking alone is not a guaranteed process, different board, different bios presumably. Just because it's higher on a tier list doesn't guarantee it will do everything that another board could achieve.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, GamerBlake said:

Hey everyone,

 

I just replaced my Tier E MSI Z370-A Pro motherboard with an even better MSI MEG Z390 ACE motherboard..

 

But for some reason I’m not able to get my RAM overclocked from 3200 MHz —> 3400 MHz on my better MEG z390 ACE like I was able to do on my lower tier z370-a Pro..what’s going on?! I can’t even get 3333 MHz let alone 3400. I tried adjusting the timings and voltages (up to 1.5V since they’re Samsung B-die Corsair Dominator Platinum) and still I got the screen of failure.

 

Does anyone know what could be causing this? 

B-Die? 

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This your kit??? CMT32GX4M2C3200C16

 

CL 16-18-18 XMP 3200mhz? 

 

Run Typhoon Burner and lets see a screen shot of it. 

Click EEPROM tab and Read SPD at the bottom of the list, either stick.

 

 

thphn160 (1).zip

[GamerBlake]

25 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

B-Die? 

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This your kit??? CMT32GX4M2C3200C16

 

CL 16-18-18 XMP 3200mhz? 

 

Run Typhoon Burner and lets see a screen shot of it. 

Click EEPROM tab and Read SPD at the bottom of the list, either stick.

 

 

thphn160 (1).zip 1.72 MB · 0 downloads

Yup! They’re B- die.

 

Thaiphoon is what I originally used and how I know they’re B-die.

 

Here’s the screenshot though.

 

& a photo of the exact kit I bought.

[GamerBlake]

30 minutes ago, For Science! said:

Are you adjusting secondary and tertiary timings too? overclocking alone is not a guaranteed process, different board, different bios presumably. Just because it's higher on a tier list doesn't guarantee it will do everything that another board could achieve.

I just left the timings at “auto” and all I did was the same thing I did on my old board which is changing the clock speed to 3400 and the voltage to 1.35, then 1.4, then 1.45 then 1.47, then finally 1.5, at which point I stopped since I don’t feel comfortable going above 1.5V. On my old, lower tier, board it ran at 3400 MHz @ 1.43V with timings set to auto. I believe on auto they ran at 19-19-19-39.

[Guest]

Yea, I'd say the board just doesn't like the memory, assuming the bios is up to date.

 

At XMP, will it run CL16-16-16 at least?

[GamerBlake]

3 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

Yea, I'd say the board just doesn't like the memory, assuming the bios is up to date.

 

At XMP, will it run CL16-16-16 at least?

I don’t get that though. My old board was one of the cheapest, lowest tier, motherboards MSI makes. Whereas my new board is close to their top of the line motherboards. 

It just seems weird to me. Like a 2060 Super outperforming a 2080 Ti. I just don’t get it.

I did update the BIOs last night as well as installed all drivers.

 

Im not sure, on my old board the lowest it did was 16-18-16

[Guest]

The B-Die you have is pretty low binned seeing the timings at 16-18-18.... It acts more like A-Die sticks. However the IMC can handle the memory, the board, definitely in question.

 

Hmm,

Try VCCIO at 1.20v

and VCCSA at 1.150v (can do 1.2v) 

 

See if that helps you any. 

 

Do this memory tweaking with a stock cpu so we can be sure it's a memory issue and not a cpu OC issue.

 

 

[GamerBlake]

2 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

The B-Die you have is pretty low binned seeing the timings at 16-18-18.... It acts more like A-Die sticks. However the IMC can handle the memory, the board, definitely in question.

 

Hmm,

Try VCCIO at 1.20v

and VCCSA at 1.150v (can do 1.2v) 

 

See if that helps you any. 

 

Do this memory tweaking with a stock cpu so we can be sure it's a memory issue and not a cpu OC issue.

 

 

Alright I’ll try that!

I don’t think it’s the motherboard. As I said the motherboard is a higher end one, especially compared to my old one. I’ll link it.

 

Do you know where I would find the VCCIO and VCCSA controls in MSI bios?

[Guest]

No idea, I don't run an MSI board. 

 

Wish you'd asked before purchasing the motherboard.

I'd told you to spend the cash on better memory modules. 16GB preferred.

 

[GamerBlake]

8 minutes ago, ShrimpBrime said:

No idea, I don't run an MSI board. 

 

Wish you'd asked before purchasing the motherboard.

I'd told you to spend the cash on better memory modules. 16GB preferred.

 

Well I mean really it’s no big deal.

 

My performance in games is still way beyond what I need.

 

However I did need a new motherboard. My old one didn’t have enough USB ports and most of them were USB 2.0 and I just didn’t like that motherboard.

 

With 32GB of DDR4 3200 MHz ram my gaming experience is still extremely high quality.

 

Plus I can always go upgrade the RAM later or wait for DDR5 to come out.

 

I might buy 32GB of 4400 MHz ram next month if I’m in the mood. I love that RAM is so easy to replace compared to like a motherboard or CPU.

[Guest]

17 hours ago, GamerBlake said:

Well I mean really it’s no big deal.

 

My performance in games is still way beyond what I need.

 

However I did need a new motherboard. My old one didn’t have enough USB ports and most of them were USB 2.0 and I just didn’t like that motherboard.

 

With 32GB of DDR4 3200 MHz ram my gaming experience is still extremely high quality.

 

Plus I can always go upgrade the RAM later or wait for DDR5 to come out.

 

I might buy 32GB of 4400 MHz ram next month if I’m in the mood. I love that RAM is so easy to replace compared to like a motherboard or CPU.

Sorry for the Late reply Blake.

 

With a 2080ti.... I'd hope your gaming performance wouldn't need to rely on system memory while your GPU is rendering most of the work load.

For people with lower end lower tier cards, they'd want that memory performance as high as possible, especially with 4GB VGA cards (like myself)

 

So MSI, I don't see my OC peers and masters using much. Generally it's top Asus boards such as the Apex.

 

Do you NEED 32gb? I'd go for the 16GB sticks, but if you're going App crazy while gaming, I could understand the need. 

 

My 8700K tops out at 4300mhz with stability. This board is a Maximus Hero, not the APEX which is what one would sought after for extreme and high end memory clocking, while I see a lot of competitive benching done at 4000mhz Cas 12-12-12 or lower on high voltage. I will not give you all the figures for this. 

 

So this picture is courtesy of a team mate of mine, Thanks to Shadey Reaper (pro warp9-systems) and HWBot for the visual perspective.

This is competition settings, definitely doable. Not a recommendation, but rather some information. 

Fast, gotta find it with the proper hardware combinations.