Motherboards.

[Karljustines]

I would like to buy a new pc but, I am struggling with motherboards. I don't know whats the huge difference between the cheap ones and the most expensive ones, I noticed they have a lot of slots but thats all, also I am looking for a mother board that has a Bluetooth 5.0. I prefer to build Ryzen's CPU and AM4 Socket.

[LIGISTX]

6 minutes ago, Karljustines said:

I would like to buy a new pc but, I am struggling with motherboards. I don't know whats the huge difference between the cheap ones and the most expensive ones, I noticed they have a lot of slots but thats all, also I am looking for a mother board that has a Bluetooth 5.0. I prefer to build Ryzen's CPU and AM4 Socket.

Motherboards have almost no actual difference for most people. The only thing to really look for is features. Some will have more m.2 slots, some will have wifi built in, etc etc. As far as performance, they really don't add or subtract much at all.

 

Its hard to just give you a board to use, since there are SO MANY, but if you narrow it down to those that for sure have BT 5.0 (many may, I honestly don't know as I have never looked into BT specifically), you can post on here and see what we say about them. I am more versed in Intel mobo's, so I dont' know the different AMD chipsets, but usually those are just related to features. For instance, I got a 99 dollar (very... very cheap, Z390 board, I actually got it for 20 bucks on sale with the 8700k, thus why I have it), and it has my 8700k running at 5 GHz no problem at all, and all 4 DIMM slots populated. So that sort of shows that even "a cheap board" (remember, 99 bucks is about the cheapest Z390 board in existence) is overbuilt enough to allow a very solid and stable overclock of my 8700k.

[Letgomyleghoe]

vrm cooling mainly, also usb ports, sound quality, amount of pcie x16 slots, m.2 2.0 or 3.0, aesthetics, usb c header soooo mucchhhh

 

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Crossfire-Motherboard-B450-Tomahawk/dp/B07F7W5KJS/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=msi+b450+tomahawk+wifi&qid=1579671104&s=electronics&sr=1-1

this will be good, just needs a wifi+bluetooth adapter 

[Letgomyleghoe]

4 minutes ago, LIGISTX said:

Motherboards have almost no actual difference for most people.

this is very wrong, vrm cooling is a big deal.

 

 

[Sir0Tek]

So, you want the mainboard to have bluetooth, that  will already reduce the pool.

Is there something else you prefer? Size? Number of memory slots?

[LogicalDrm]

-> Moved to CPUs, Motherboards and Memory

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As a hint, use BT adapter rather than look for integrated one. As that will only be available in smaller mATX and ITX form factors or the top of the line boards. Same goes for WiFi.

[Karljustines]

28 minutes ago, Sir0Tek said:

So, you want the mainboard to have bluetooth, that  will already reduce the pool.

Is there something else you prefer? Size? Number of memory slots?

ATX AM4 bluetooth 5.0

[xg32]

5 minutes ago, Karljustines said:

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vrm temperatures would be my #1 concern as the caps on the motherboard are what i'd consider most likely to malfuction first, as long as the cpu you choose runs the vrm at an acceptable temperate then you can choose the function/ports you like to have on the mobo

[Sir0Tek]

12 minutes ago, Karljustines said:

ATX AM4 bluetooth 5.0

Which Ryzen do you have in mind, how likely is overclocking to you and does your computer needs to serve a special purpose like video-editing?

[Karljustines]

1 minute ago, Sir0Tek said:

Which Ryzen do you have in mind, how likely is overclocking to you and does your computer needs to serve a special purpose like video-editing?

I am thinking Ryzen 5 3700x uhm no video editing for now but that would be my plan in the future to learn how to video edit and all.

[Sir0Tek]

It's a R7 3700x. For video-editing you'd probably should look for mainboards that support more than 64gb of ram and enough room in their specs to sport the 8-core My preferred 'stuff-tool' reduced the # of mainboards to 11, all of them based on x570 (due to >64gb), starting here at +-€220. They usually allow for more demanding cpu-upgrades as well.

 

A cheaper option with <=64gb could be the ASUS ROG Strix B450-E Gaming (Tier D), sufficient for 3700x.

[Karljustines]

9 hours ago, scuff gang said:

vrm cooling mainly, also usb ports, sound quality, amount of pcie x16 slots, m.2 2.0 or 3.0, aesthetics, usb c header soooo mucchhhh

 

https://www.amazon.com/MSI-Crossfire-Motherboard-B450-Tomahawk/dp/B07F7W5KJS/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=msi+b450+tomahawk+wifi&qid=1579671104&s=electronics&sr=1-1

this will be good, just needs a wifi+bluetooth adapter 

is external bluetooth device better than a built-in the motherboard?

[miagisan]

11 hours ago, Karljustines said:

I would like to buy a new pc but, I am struggling with motherboards. I don't know whats the huge difference between the cheap ones and the most expensive ones, I noticed they have a lot of slots but thats all, also I am looking for a mother board that has a Bluetooth 5.0. I prefer to build Ryzen's CPU and AM4 Socket.

Whats your budget?

 

I have this one https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/TUF-GAMING-X570-PLUS-WI-FI/

 

Has built in wifi and bluetooth (which you were looking for).

[Karljustines]

3 minutes ago, miagisan said:

Whats your budget?

 

I have this one https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/TUF-GAMING-X570-PLUS-WI-FI/

 

Has built in wifi and bluetooth (which you were looking for).

is this feature only available on X570? I am aiming for B450 Mobo.

[miagisan]

4 minutes ago, Karljustines said:

is this feature only available on X570? I am aiming for B450 Mobo.

Ahh well you didnt specify that in the beginning.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#c=133&G=63,95,31,79,15,30,14,6,8

 

edit: almost all wifi mobos have built in bluetooth. Hence why the link.

[Karljustines]

1 minute ago, miagisan said:

Ahh well you didnt specify that in the beginning.

 

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/motherboard/#c=133&G=63,95,31,79,15,30,14,6,8

are these mobo's all have Bluetooth 5.0?

[miagisan]

3 minutes ago, Karljustines said:

are these mobo's all have Bluetooth 5.0?

Double check each one, but 90% of the time if it has built in wifi, it will have built in Bluetooth. 

[LIGISTX]

20 hours ago, scuff gang said:

this is very wrong, vrm cooling is a big deal.

 

 

Uh, its not very wrong. Lol. Good try tho.

 

VRM cooling is an important factor, yes, but any good name brand board will be built to the required task. If you take a crappy board, and try and push an obscene overclock, yes, your going to have issues. If you buy from a quality brand (Asus, EVGA, MSI, Gigabyte, ASRock ect), it'll be fine for running any chip that can socket into the board. We are WAY past the days of Pentium 4's that turn mobo's brown from VRM heat.

 

If you are going for benchmark records, yes, VRM's are extremely important, and their cooling solution is equally important. But for normal use, its really not much of an issue.

 

In my case, I had to lop a bunch of the VRM heatsink on my mobo off to make my top radiator and fans fit. Its just a crappy block of aluminum, with barely any actual heat dissipation ability, and what little surface area it had, well, I went and cut off. Under 100% synthetic load, it does get a bit uncomfortably warm, up in the high 70's, under game load its mid 60's. I, personally, have the ability to rectify this and finally am via just milling my own heatsink and I should be finally finished with this project this week, but I have not been very quick to finish it as it just really hasn't mattered at all. So to my point, a very "meh" Z390 mobo is driving a 5 GHz 8700k, with the majority of its VRM heatsink cut off, and very low airflow through my case since my fans spin about 700 rpm under game load since I have an abundance of radiator surface area to keep the CPU in the 60's and GPU sub 50.

 

So, yes, VRM's are important, but its not as big a deal as it can be made out to be.

 

Also, I am 100% not ever recommending anyone ever cut their heatsinks up, ever, its a horrible idea. But I made a judgement call, this heatsink looked more like a "hey, we put a heatsink on here, look, see, there is a heatsink", but it really wasn't engineered in any meaningful way. So, with that assumption, I hacked a bunch of it off. And now I am finally getting around to replacing it with a proper finned unit, that I could also mount a 40mm fan to if I really wanted.

 

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