AMD or Intel for content creation?

[C3p12]

Dear community,

 

i am a little bit confused. I was already asking in another forum for recommendations, but at some point opinions were stuck. They recommended me an AMD 3900x.. but i am afraid of getting into the same situation as Phenom II a few years back ...but first things first:

 

Budget:         700-1500€

Location:      Europe, Germany

what for (80%):       Photo editing. Primarily with Lightroom, Photoshop and Capture1. Mainly 24 and 42 Megapixels, sometimes 62. 

what for (20%):       video editing with 4K h264,8 bit multicam which was almost impossible with the current machine: Premiere and Davinci with a tiny little bit of AfterEffects should run smooth. maybe 10 bit in the future.

current PC:   i5 2500, 32 GB RAM, 500GB SSD, 560Ti

nice to have: many SATA-Ports (8?...I have many HDD harddrives). hackintosh compatibility would be cool, but is not a must. overclocking?

 

My main fear is having the same timeline problems in Premiere as now. And Premiere is the only editing-software that i can operate to a very good degree. Photoediting works kind of fine with the current machine. 

Most of my colleges and friends have built their machines 6-12 months ago.. they are almost identical featuring an oced 8700k (5ghz) and an 9900k. Both machines "feel" unbelievable fast compared to mine in tasks that i usually do or would like to do.

 

Sidefact: if i can safe some money (buying an used system like 7700 or 8700k) or if i would be even fine with an laptop -please let me know! I dont need to have the latest of the latest just to get 5% better exporttimes. I am spending much more time with the edit.

 

what experiences have u made? Is an 3900x (with GTX 1660 for example) fast enough to work smoothly despite the lack of QuickSync, or would it be wiser to buy any high frequency Intel machine and dont care about possible future implementations that could or could not happen..

 

thank you :)

[Princess Luna]

The 9900K/S would be the best for your workload no doubts there... R9 3900X is competent but not as snappy given Lightroom, Photoshop, Premiere all stuff that really favours Intel.

 

But can you be more clear about your budget? Because I don't understand why you're between either a full out brand new R9 3900X build or then a second hand i7 8700K... (the 7700K shouldn't be considered as being a quadcore it's days are gone).

 

Also if you're not in a hurry Intel will bring their 10th Gen in April.

[DoctorNick]

7 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

Also if you're not in a hurry Intel will bring their 10th Gen in April.

+1

[boggy77]

Some benchmarks to give you an idea and help you decide.

 

 

[C3p12]

3 hours ago, Princess Luna said:

The 9900K/S would be the best for your workload no doubts there... R9 3900X is competent but not as snappy given Lightroom, Photoshop, Premiere all stuff that really favours Intel.

thats sad news..  i thought 3900x could be an easy solution.

 

3 hours ago, Princess Luna said:

But can you be more clear about your budget? Because I don't understand why you're between either a full out brand new R9 3900X build or then a second hand i7 8700K... (the 7700K shouldn't be considered as being a quadcore it's days are gone).

i would rather spend the money on some vacations or an upcoming upgrade than having a system where i can only measure the difference, but not really feel it. I dont wanna pay 70% more for 10% performancegain so to say. 

 

3 hours ago, Princess Luna said:

Also if you're not in a hurry Intel will bring their 10th Gen in April.

somehow i could. but i am afraid that then there is gonna be DDR5, no mainboards below 400€ or some other crazy thing that will make everything super trooper expansive. 

 

3 hours ago, boggy77 said:

Some benchmarks to give you an idea and help you decide.

nobody in my business works with RED cameras here, most of them are usind mirrorless stuff with h264 8 or 10 bit. And i dont really care if i have to wait 10 or 12 minutes to export a final project that i was working on for days or many hours. Performance during the edit is much more important.

 

would you recommend maybe to buy everything now except a proper CPU+Mainboard and then take a look in april? or would you postpone everything til then? 

[boggy77]

Just now, C3p12 said:

would you recommend maybe to buy everything now except a proper CPU+Mainboard and then take a look in april? or would you postpone everything til then? 

buy everything at once so you can test the components and return them if needed.

personally, i'd go with the ryzen 3900x. it's fast, has lots of cores and is currently killing the 9900k in most tasks.

[Scatology]

I also would go with AMD at the moment. Is there any details of the next Intel release?

[C3p12]

2 hours ago, boggy77 said:

personally, i'd go with the ryzen 3900x. it's fast, has lots of cores and is currently killing the 9900k in most tasks.

but unfortunately in none of the Adobe tasks i am doing. at least for now. 

 

Plus the limitation, which is probably no1 selling point for the intel side now: people report that simple h264 playpack in Premiere is causing framedrops and is not running smooth. Thats something a simple macbook can do, but not a 500€ CPU? Without a doubt this is super frustrating giving the otherwise huge performance benefit of the Ryzen 3900x.

 

But i cant confirm it, because i havent tested it. And honestly, i dont know if its worth sacrificing a day or two to try it out and then wait for weeks to get the money back after a return... 

 

Maybe someone can confirm this?

[tech.guru]

i would invest in GPU, as that will heavily influence the playback more than the CPU.

see, https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Premiere-Pro-CC-2018-NVIDIA-GeForce-vs-AMD-Radeon-Vega-1206/#AMEExport-RawBenchmarkResults

 

its old but gives you an idea. remember most video talks will be accelerated with the GPU

560 TI in your current system is really bad for this type of work.

5 minutes ago, C3p12 said:

but unfortunately in none of the Adobe tasks i am doing. at least for now. 

 

Plus the limitation, which is probably no1 selling point for the intel side now: people report that simple h264 playpack in Premiere is causing framedrops and is not running smooth. Thats something a simple macbook can do, but not a 500€ CPU? Without a doubt this is super frustrating giving the otherwise huge performance benefit of the Ryzen 3900x.

 

But i cant confirm it, because i havent tested it. And honestly, i dont know if its worth sacrificing a day or two to try it out and then wait for weeks to get the money back after a return... 

 

Maybe someone can confirm this?