Games don't work after upgrading to ryzen 2700

[00RaZoR11]

I switched from a 7700k to a 2700. Board: asrock b450 gaming k4. Ram: hyperx savage 2133 cl13, corsair lpx 3000 cl15. 2x2x4 GB. PSU: be quiet straight power 650w e11 (80+ gold).

I have reinstalled windows.

Got the chipset dirvers from the AMD website.

The amd specific power plan is set in windows power management.

Windows 1909 is installed, and I haven't messed around with it like I usually do.  Other than the real time protection being disabled, it's vanilla.

RAM is at absolutely stock settings (2133 cl19). (It works at 2766mhz too, which increased cinebench score by 100 points)

Cpu is set to 4 ghz 1.35 V.

SOC is set to 0.95 V.

Max temp after 10 mins of aida64 is 80C, average around 77.

During cinebench r20 it tops out at 70, and averages aroud 65. It gives me around ~3950 score.

 

((Benchmarks run flawlessly, Well cpu benchmarks do run well. The time spy benchmak can't even start now.... I can't play certain games for more than 5 minutes (forza h4 and battlefield 5). The outer worlds runs, but it stutters a lot. Witcher 3 works, so does spore.))

Nothing that has anything to do with directX 12 or 11 runs now... In the best case the window just shuts down. The worst case is a display driver reset.

 

I noticed that the multiplayer games had the worst issues, so instead of the built in Lan card i tried a usb wifi stick, but it didnt help.

I have repaired/reinstalled both problematic games 2 times each.

 

I am at my wit's end. I'm playing around with the vcore and soc voltage, though I would be thankful for some advice. Has anyone seen such behavior before?

[Skipple]

Just as a note 2133 is pretty weak RAM for Ryzen, but I'm not sure if that would be causing your issues here.

 

What GPU are you using? Ensure that the drivers are fully updated?

[sphbecker]

This sounds like a thermal problem. Can you run a benchmark that loops for 10-15 minutes and see if it hits the same issue? What CPU cooler are you using? Are you sure it is attached firmly?

[Princess Luna]

2133mhz CL19? omg this is NOT memory for a Ryzen processor, that's your issue without doubt.

[Mister Woof]

Tbh throw away all those slow mismatched ram sticks and spend $60 on a 16gb 2x8 3200 kit

 

[Mister Woof]

I also wouldn't expect a 2700 as much of an upgrade in gaming over a 7700k at 5ghz....

 

Maybe in a few newer titles but the 7700k still crushes most games

[Skipple]

6 minutes ago, Plutosaurus said:

I also wouldn't expect a 2700 as much of an upgrade in gaming over a 7700k at 5ghz....

 

Maybe in a few newer titles but the 7700k still crushes most games

I had the same reaction. My only justification I could find for this is to sell the 7700k while it still holds value, use that money change over to the AM4 platform and then have an CPU upgrade path down the line.

[00RaZoR11]

 

Just now, Princess Luna said:

2133mhz CL19? omg this is NOT memory for a Ryzen processor, that's your issue without doubt.

I would expect stock the stock ddr4 frequency and timing to be stable. It seems illogical to me that it would cause crashes, and only in games.

Just now, Plutosaurus said:

Tbh throw away all those slow mismatched ram sticks and spend $60 on a 16gb 2x8 3200 kit

 

If i had some spare cash I would've gotten a better board. I'd assume that slower RAM wouldn't affect stability.

15 minutes ago, sphbecker said:

This sounds like a thermal problem. Can you run a benchmark that loops for 10-15 minutes and see if it hits the same issue? What CPU cooler are you using? Are you sure it is attached firmly?

10 minutes of aida64 (fpu cpu cache ram) resulted in 80 max and 70-77 sustained. In 3dmark time spy 60-65C.

15 minutes ago, Skipple said:

Just as a note 2133 is pretty weak RAM for Ryzen, but I'm not sure if that would be causing your issues here.

 

What GPU are you using? Ensure that the drivers are fully updated

5700xt. I got the chipset drivers from amd, and installed the latest whql driver after a DDU.

 

 

 

[00RaZoR11]

Just now, Skipple said:

I had the same reaction. My only justification I could find for this is to sell the 7700k while it still holds value, use that money change over to the AM4 platform and then have an CPU upgrade path down the line.

 

Just now, Plutosaurus said:

I also wouldn't expect a 2700 as much of an upgrade in gaming over a 7700k at 5ghz....

 

Maybe in a few newer titles but the 7700k still crushes most games

I simply need the extra threads for battlefield 5. With the i7 it allegedly runs at 120 fps, but it feels like 50, with nothing in the background. I would like to listen to youtube videos and record my gameplay as well, which the i7 had no capacity to do.

[Mister Woof]

5 minutes ago, Skipple said:

I had the same reaction. My only justification I could find for this is to sell the 7700k while it still holds value, use that money change over to the AM4 platform and then have an CPU upgrade path down the line.

Reasonable.

[00RaZoR11]

20 minutes ago, Skipple said:

Just as a note 2133 is pretty weak RAM for Ryzen, but I'm not sure if that would be causing your issues here.

 

What GPU are you using? Ensure that the drivers are fully updated?

I have tried it with a gtx 960 too. The card changed nothing, only the fps for that few minutes while the games ran.

[Mister Woof]

4 minutes ago, 00RaZoR11 said:

 

I would expect stock the stock ddr4 frequency and timing to be stable. It seems illogical to me that it would cause crashes, and only in games.

If i had some spare cash I would've gotten a better board. I'd assume that slower RAM wouldn't affect stability.

10 minutes of aida64 (fpu cpu cache ram) resulted in 80 max and 70-77 sustained. In 3dmark time spy 60-65C.

5700xt. I got the chipset drivers from amd, and installed the latest whql driver after a DDU.

 

 

 

 

I can't speak specifically for 2000 series but my 1600 was stupid picky with memory.

 

I didn't know ddr4 came in 2gb modules.

[00RaZoR11]

Just now, Plutosaurus said:

 

I can't speak specifically for 2000 series but my 1600 was stupid picky with memory.

I didn't know ddr4 came in 2gb modules.

well yes, I knew the 1000s were extremely picky, that's why i got a 2000.

There are 4 dimms, 4GB each. 2x2x4 was supposed to mean 2 kits, 2 dimms, 4GB/dimm

[Mister Woof]

1 minute ago, 00RaZoR11 said:

well yes, I knew the 1000s were extremely picky, that's why i got a 2000.

There are 4 dimms, 4GB each. 2x2x4 was supposed to mean 2 kits, 2 dimms, 4GB/dimm

So you have all 4 dimms filled with 4gb sticks?

 

Remove the 2 slow ones, make sure the fast ones are in the correct dimms per your Mobo, and report results.

[00RaZoR11]

Just now, Plutosaurus said:

So you have all 4 dimms filled with 4gb sticks?

 

Remove the 2 slow ones and report results.

I have tried that too, it just escaped my mind. It didn't help. I would try it with 1 dimm, but I know that both games require at least 8 GB to run

[Mister Woof]

What storage media are the offer ding games installed on?

[00RaZoR11]

Just now, Plutosaurus said:

What storage media are the offer ding games installed on?

All of my games are on the same HDD, which works fine when it comes to file transfers and navigation with file explorer. It has been in use for the past 2 years, was bought brand new and has flawless smart values.

[Mister Woof]

2 minutes ago, 00RaZoR11 said:

All of my games are on the same HDD, which works fine when it comes to file transfers and navigation with file explorer. It has been in use for the past 2 years, was bought brand new and has flawless smart values.

Maybe try locking the multipliers down to 38 or 40 or something.

 

Perhaps the CPU is freaking out and running super slow for no appt reason 

[00RaZoR11]

Just now, Plutosaurus said:

Maybe try locking the multipliers down to 38 or 40 or something.

 

Perhaps the CPU is freaking out and running super slow for no appt reason 

maybe i should've specified, that this instability was present since the first boot. 3400mhz, 1.2-1.25V.

Also, other than p0, all p states are disabled now. From the factory they were all on auto (there's like 8 of them).

Edited November 20, 2019 by 00RaZoR11
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[SpookyCitrus]

34 minutes ago, 00RaZoR11 said:

I would expect stock the stock ddr4 frequency and timing to be stable. It seems illogical to me that it would cause crashes, and only in games.

Ryzen 2000 CPUs are very picky when it comes to what ram works and what doesn't. The minimum I will use with Ryzen systems is 3000mhz CL16, you have 2133 CL19... The ram is 100% your problem. Anything below 3000mhz on Rzyen has a pretty significant impact on performance.

[00RaZoR11]

Just now, SpookyCitrus said:

Ryzen 2000 CPUs are very picky when it comes to what ram works and what doesn't. The minimum I will use with Ryzen systems is 3000mhz CL16, you have 2133 CL19... The ram is 100% your problem. Anything below 3000mhz on Rzyen has a pretty significant impact on performance.

i understand that, but my issue isn't with performance. Cinebench r20 gives me 4060 points. That's on point afaik.

Things don't even start up. Time spy, the witcher 3, battlefield 5, forza h4.

Amnesia the dark descent managed to start, but i don't care about that game at all.

Edited November 20, 2019 by 00RaZoR11
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[SpookyCitrus]

8 minutes ago, 00RaZoR11 said:

i understand that, but my issue isn't with performance. Cinebench r20 gives me 4060 points. That's on point afaik.

Things don't even start up. Time spy, the witcher 3, battlefield 5, forza h4.

Amnesia the dark descent managed to start, but i don't care about that game at all.

Having incompatible ram can also cause programs and games to not startup or frequently crash. The ram can work and the computer can start up but if it has issues or doesn't work right with the CPU can cause all the issues you're having.

[00RaZoR11]

Just now, SpookyCitrus said:

Having incompatible ram can also cause programs and games to not startup or frequently crash. The ram can work and the computer can start up but if it has issues or doesn't work right with the CPU can cause all the issues you're having.

well thanks, i think i'm gonna have to switch to non-EOL ram. at least try it, since i could return it easily. So i should be looking for samsung b-die, right?

[SpookyCitrus]

3 hours ago, 00RaZoR11 said:

well thanks, i think i'm gonna have to switch to non-EOL ram. at least try it, since i could return it easily. So i should be looking for samsung b-die, right?

Samsung B-die is great, yes(Hynix is fine too B-die is more for overclocking and manually setting timings and such). This kit from Teamgroup is B-die, plus 3200mhz C16 for less than $60 if you're on a budget. If not going for Trident Z wouldn't be a bad idea, however a tad more expensive.

https://www.newegg.com/team-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820331354?Item=N82E16820331354&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3a%2f%2fpcpartpicker.com%2fproduct%2fz3VD4D%2fteam-t-force-vulcan-z-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3200-memory-tlzgd416g3200hc16cdc01&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-ogYCDBS5M2ZgGn1deyZ8IQ

[Otto_iii]

4 hours ago, 00RaZoR11 said:

well thanks, i think i'm gonna have to switch to non-EOL ram. at least try it, since i could return it easily. So i should be looking for samsung b-die, right?

you don't need pricy as heck samsung b-die, just buy any ram with decent speed (about 2800 or higher) that is on your motherboards QVL for Ryzen 2000

Here is a link https://www.asrock.com/MB/AMD/Fatal1ty B450 Gaming K4/index.asp#MemoryPR

Sort by ram speed, skip to about 3000 speed if price is a concern and start seeing what is available for a good price in your region.   Besides stability issues Ryzen 2000 runs like dog-poop if ram speed is too low, you want atleast 2800 speed.  but like others have said ram compatability isn't too hot with Ryzen 2000 either, so sticking to motherboard manufacturers QVL is crucial

Also i can't comment on Ryzen 2000 in regards to this next thing, but i'd be surprised if it was different to 3000 in this regard, but i can comment for sure that both Forza Horizon 4 and Battlefield 5 can run just fine with 8gb of Ram total (2x 4gb) sticks as i did this for over a month up until recently upgrading.   With steam/origin etc, and discord open, running a game i never saw more then about 6.5gb usage maximum, i do take care to turn off extra windows 10 backround processes, and have chrome etc set to shut down backround apps when i close it (you should do this with any browser, regardless of if you have 8,16,32gb etc or ram)


point being 16gb is nice for peace of mind, but in 99% of games, even very new ones, 8gb is more then sufficient if you don't have tonnes of stuff using ram (and likely cpu a tiny bit as well) in backround, so if you are on budget and can only get 2x4gb for 8gb total right now don't feel bad, definitely atleast run ram in duel channel tho (2x sticks in correct slots)