first gaming pc (need suggestion)

[snowkid]

So this is my first time ever getting a PC in general. I have watched a lot of pc builds and still have problem choosing the parts properly. Here is the plan so far: (budget 1500$, hoping to cut of some, so may be lower) 

 

Here are the parts so far,

https://pcpartpicker.com/list/cRtJb8

 

Intel Core i7-9700K 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor 

Corsair H100i RGP PLATINUM 75 CFM Liquid CPU Coller

Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO WIFI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard

Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4- 32000 Memory

Western Digital Caviar Blue 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive

Samsung 970 Evo 500 GM M.2 - 2280 NVME Solid State Drive

Asus GeForce RTX 2070 8 GB STRIX GAMING OC Video Card

Cougar MX330-G ATX Mid Tower Case

EVGA 500 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply

 

So according to the pcpartpicker, there are some compatibility notes saying:

• Note:The Gigabyte Z390 AORUS PRO WIFI ATX LGA1151 Motherboard has an additional 4-pin ATX power connector but the EVGA 500 W 80+ Certified ATX Power Supply does not. This connector is used to supply additional 12V current to the motherboard. While the system will likely still run without it, higher current demands such as extreme overclocking or large video card current draws may require it.
• Note:The motherboard M.2 slot #1 shares bandwidth with a SATA 6.0 Gb/s port. When the M.2 slot is populated, one SATA 6.0 Gb/s port is disabled.
• Note:Some physical dimension restrictions cannot (yet) be automatically checked, such as cpu cooler / RAM clearance with modules using tall heat spreaders.

And I have no idea what that means. 

 

So I need some suggestions if what I picked is decent. I want to be able to play games in high settings keeping in mind that the pc will be able to play future games in high settings as well and also it will last for 2-3 years or more and there is room for upgrading in the future. The budget is actually around 1500$ max but I want to be able to find some room to lower the price. 

 

 

[Fasauceome]

You sacrificed too much on the GPU and especially the PSU, and you overspent on the CPU and storage. Provided this is a gaming PC:

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$194.00 @ Amazon
CPU Cooler	Corsair H100i RGB PLATINUM 75 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler	$124.99 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Asus PRIME X570-P ATX AM4 Motherboard	$127.50 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$59.99 @ Newegg
Storage	Intel 660p Series 2.048 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$204.99 @ B&H
Video Card	EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8 GB BLACK GAMING Video Card	$703.98 @ Newegg
Case	Cougar MX330 ATX Mid Tower Case	$44.00 @ Amazon
Power Supply	Corsair CX (2017) 550 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply	$59.99 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1539.44
	Mail-in rebates	-$20.00
	Total	$1519.44
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-13 17:37 EST-0500

feel free to drop to a 1TB SSD or remove the water cooler to reduce the price.

[Jurrunio]

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$194.00 @ Amazon
Motherboard	Asus ROG Crosshair VII Hero (Wi-Fi) ATX AM4 Motherboard	$229.99 @ Amazon
Memory	G.Skill Trident Z Neo 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$109.99 @ Amazon
Storage	HP EX920 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$114.99 @ Amazon
Storage	Seagate Barracuda Compute 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive	$49.99 @ Amazon
Video Card	EVGA GeForce RTX 2080 8 GB XC2 ULTRA GAMING Video Card	$613.98 @ Newegg
Case	Phanteks ECLIPSE P350X ATX Mid Tower Case	$59.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply	Rosewill Capstone 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Semi-modular ATX Power Supply	$69.99 @ Newegg
Case Fan	ARCTIC Arctic F14 PWM 77.3 CFM 140 mm Fan	$9.33 @ Amazon
Case Fan	ARCTIC Arctic F14 PWM 77.3 CFM 140 mm Fan	$9.33 @ Amazon
Case Fan	ARCTIC Arctic F14 PWM 77.3 CFM 140 mm Fan	$9.33 @ Amazon
Case Fan	ARCTIC Arctic F14 PWM 77.3 CFM 140 mm Fan	$9.33 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$1530.24
	Mail-in rebates	-$50.00
	Total	$1480.24
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-13 18:10 EST-0500

 

[SpookyCitrus]

13 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

 

Motherboard	Asus ROG Crosshair VII Hero (Wi-Fi) ATX AM4 Motherboard	$229.99 @ Amazon
Storage	HP EX920 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive	$114.99 @ Amazon

 

The Crosshair VII Hero seems a little unnecessary, personally if recommending a 3600 the B450 Tomahawk Max or the Asus X570-P would be perfectly fine while still having a good feature set for significantly less money if going with the Tomahawk and saving a decent bit with the X570-P.

 

I've used several of the HP EX920 drives and have had some problems. 3 of the 5 I've used have failed after the first couple months of use. I was all for them until I started getting the computers back with blue screens and computers failing to boot, after testing the SSDs they have all come back with bad sectors. I've since then been using the Sabrent Rocket Nvme drives which have not had any issues so far, I replaced and returned all of the EX920's I had in stock and RMA'd the bad ones. I wouldn't recommend them.

 

[Jurrunio]

19 minutes ago, SpookyCitrus said:

The Crosshair VII Hero seems a little unnecessary, personally if recommending a 3600 the B450 Tomahawk Max or the Asus X570-P would be perfectly fine while still having a good feature set for significantly less money if going with the Tomahawk and saving a decent bit with the X570-P.

OP has Wifi in the board he originally picked so that kicks out the x570-P (which I dont like for its barren rear I/O), while the MSI B450 Carbon AC... I'd pay $60 more for the extra stuff on the Crosshair VII, so there's no reason to change the board in the future

 

23 minutes ago, SpookyCitrus said:

I've used several of the HP EX920 drives and have had some problems. 3 of the 5 I've used have failed after the first couple months of use. I was all for them until I started getting the computers back with blue screens and computers failing to boot, after testing the SSDs they have all come back with bad sectors. I've since then been using the Sabrent Rocket Nvme drives which have not had any issues so far, I replaced and returned all of the EX920's I had in stock and RMA'd the bad ones. I wouldn't recommend them.

Personally no problem with the EX 920, tho sample size of 1, and dont see mass outbreaks of problems in the internet either. The Sabrent Rocket does have problems with change from Phison E12 to E8 controller, which is from a common controller for high end PCIe 3.0 x4 SSDs to one for PCIe 3.0 x2 SSDs.

[Queen Chrysalis]

I know you can get an aorus b450 wifi at micro center for $120 and the'll discount your CPU by $30.  The 3600 is also a little cheaper there.

[Mark Kaine]

I love how the OP chooses an Intel processor and immediately gets recommend only AMD,  without even showing some Intel alternatives. 

 

I'm still not convinced AMD is really suitable for gaming, I've just noticed yesterday that there are really weird spikes during gaming,  like the processor just  -stops- working for a split second - which of course immediately results in frame drops -  the typical AMD lag, which is seemingly an issue since forever. And explains some "mysterious" drops I've had in the past too.

 

 

But, on paper,  these Ryzen processors are very good of course,  so why not push them on unknown suspects just a little more. 

 

 

I'd stick to my guns if I was the OP,  I bet that's a fine CPU they have chosen.  

[Jurrunio]

On 11/13/2019 at 8:08 PM, Mark Kaine said:

I love how the OP chooses an Intel processor and immediately gets recommend only AMD,  without even showing some Intel alternatives. 

 

I'm still not convinced AMD is really suitable for gaming, I've just noticed yesterday that there are really weird spikes during gaming,  like the processor just  -stops- working for a split second - which of course immediately results in frame drops -  the typical AMD lag, which is seemingly an issue since forever. And explains some "mysterious" drops I've had in the past too.

 

 

But, on paper,  these Ryzen processors are very good of course,  so why not push them on unknown suspects just a little more. 

 

 

I'd stick to my guns if I was the OP,  I bet that's a fine CPU they have chosen.  

You could totally buy Intel and get bombed by exploits and security patches that come some time (maybe a year) later, I cant stop you.

[Mark Kaine]

23 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

You could totally buy Intel and get bombed by exploits and security patches that come some time (maybe a year) later, I cant stop you.

Yeah,  that is definitely a legit concern,  yet millions of gamers (and others of course) have Intels and no issues whatsoever - and from reading here and elsewhere they're still kinda "king of gaming".

 

Also on that note,  after I build my first PC last year with a R3 2200G I got also hit with several "AMD security updates" which actually degraded my performance a little bit, had something to do with a "meltdown exploit" or similar - which supposedly didn't affect Ryzen,  still got the AMD security patches... 

 

And yes,  I definitely kinda regret not getting an equally priced i5 instead of the R5 3600 I have now,  it might have been a little weaker on paper but I think it'd be more reliable and better compatible for gaming also - then there's the whole thing with these Ryzens getting way too much voltage in Windows default settings / and with "Ryzen balanced power plan",  not reaching their advertised auto boost (as admitted by AMD) etc.   I feel honestly a bit scammed and consider RMA'ing this thing currently. 

 

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/cbls9g/the_final_word_on_idle_voltages_for_3rd_gen_ryzen/

 

I find it kinda hilarious I had to find out on a "sub reddit" imo AMD would have been required to notify their customers directly that there might be an issue with over voltage on their Ryzen 3000 line. 

 

As an aside,  this is *not* the "final word" of course,  it's an ongoing issue depending on which windows version and chipset drivers you are,  I doubt everyone who buys a Ryzen chip automatically downloads the latest chipset drivers and bios, etc,  actually I'd wager most don't.... 

 

 

Seriously how are the chances my CPU already has some damage from this? 

 

It was running for about a month at 1.5V constantly - because I thought setting it to Ryzen balanced power plan on then latest chipset would surely be the right thing to do  - turns out in theory yes,  in practice no - because obviously there was a serious bug that put way too much voltage on the CPU  *constantly*.

 

I also didn't even think there could be an issue tbh,  because temps were fine...  still got too much voltage for a prolonged time apparently. 

 

Imo they should maybe have sorted their chipsets out before releasing these chips, not a couple of months later...

 

 

 

 

[Jurrunio]

1 minute ago, Mark Kaine said:

Imo they should maybe have sorted their chipsets out before releasing these chips, not a couple of months later...

Putting out immature stuff has been a really bad habit of AMD, guess they're forced to because otherwise they're in a rush to get competitive. 3rd gen Ryzen is the first time that AMD can actually sound good in comparisons with Intel for gaming, while before that 1st and 2nd gen Ryzens are just "repurposed server CPUs", not that good for the general consumer but there's still a big market for it so why not.

 

10 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

which supposedly didn't affect Ryzen,  still got the AMD security patches... 

it did, just that the needed fixes dont hurt performance.

 

10 minutes ago, Mark Kaine said:

then there's the whole thing with these Ryzens getting way too much voltage in Windows default settings / and with "Ryzen balanced power plan",  not reaching their advertised auto boost (as admitted by AMD) etc.

That's why you should never judge a CPU by its frequency, or that's the whole Pentium 4 shinanigans all over again (if the 9900KS hasnt started it)

[Mark Kaine]

16 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

it did, just that the needed fixes dont hurt performance.

I'm no expert obviously,  but this did degrade my performance (a few fps - which is actually huge when you're on a low end CPU/GPU as I was at the time) 

 

I never got as good scores on cinebench as I did before the AMD security patches either... 

 

I even tried disabling the meltdown patches - I still didn't get my performance back - but I think that's maybe because the tool I used didn't really turn off *all* of these patches within Windows - not sure  - I can't really proof what happened either -  the undoubtedly fact I never reached the same scores again *after* those patches remains.