I9 9900ks

[zarkax]

Hello. 

Yesterday i got a brand new i9 9900ks and i cant get it to run at 5ghz on all cores. Its stuck at 4.7ghz all over. I really cant find the issue. Asking to see if anyone else have the same issues and have resolved the problem. 

 

Appriciate the help in advance!

[Founders]

Have you tried flashing your BIOS? Motherboard manufactures had to release a new rev. for full compatibility with the 'new' chip. 

[NineEyeRon]

I cant even afford to buy pizza hut pizza...

[Founders]

22 minutes ago, NineEyeRon said:

I cant even afford to buy pizza hut pizza...

Good for 50 percent off regularly priced menu items. Code: MNFLOCKETT 

[Streetguru]

41 minutes ago, zarkax said:

 

Like through manual overclocking? it will only boost to 5ghz for a limited time otherwise.

Just make sure your bios is up to date and turn on any MCE stuff.

 

and I sure hope you have something better than a 1080p 60hz display.

[Jurrunio]

Max out turbo boost power limit and time limit, that should keep it at 5GHz all cores

[xg32]

it definitely has something to do with the power limit/bios, all 9900ks are guarantee to hit 5ghz all core around 185w

[zarkax]

11 hours ago, Streetguru said:

Like through manual overclocking? it will only boost to 5ghz for a limited time otherwise.

Just make sure your bios is up to date and turn on any MCE stuff.

 

and I sure hope you have something better than a 1080p 60hz display.

It litterally never hits 5 ghz. Ive been told it was supposed to do it through the box.

 

Yeah the i didnt think if the bios. May be worth a try.

 

Im running the new asus tuf screen with 165 hz and elmb with adaptive sync 2k resolution.

[zarkax]

11 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

Max out turbo boost power limit and time limit, that should keep it at 5GHz all cores

Wouldnt that affect guaranty since intel claims 5ghz without modifications?

[porina]

How are you loading it? Remember the turbo is only going to be reached if other limits don't apply. It doesn't mean it will run 5 GHz for all loads. It is possibly hitting power and/or current limits.

 

I'd try stock settings. MCE off. Try the stress test in CPU-Z as that is a relatively light load. Use hwinfo64 to look at all the cores. What is it reaching? If not 5 GHz, scroll down to the "Performance Limit Reasons" section. Anything saying "yes" in there is limiting your speed. Note if any of them say so. Note "max turbo limit" and "turbo attenuation" are normal when running stock (not overclocked).

 

1 hour ago, zarkax said:

Wouldnt that affect guaranty since intel claims 5ghz without modifications?

Increasing power limit is not counted as overclocking by Intel, so doesn't affect warranty. They count overclocking if you directly change clocks. This includes MCE on.

[zarkax]

28 minutes ago, porina said:

How are you loading it? Remember the turbo is only going to be reached if other limits don't apply. It doesn't mean it will run 5 GHz for all loads. It is possibly hitting power and/or current limits.

 

I'd try stock settings. MCE off. Try the stress test in CPU-Z as that is a relatively light load. Use hwinfo64 to look at all the cores. What is it reaching? If not 5 GHz, scroll down to the "Performance Limit Reasons" section. Anything saying "yes" in there is limiting your speed. Note if any of them say so. Note "max turbo limit" and "turbo attenuation" are normal when running stock (not overclocked).

 

Increasing power limit is not counted as overclocking by Intel, so doesn't affect warranty. They count overclocking if you directly change clocks. This includes MCE on.

I was loading it with intels extreme tuning stress test. And when im loading it its stuck at 4.7 ghz for some reason doesnt go above or under.

 

I have stock settings right now. Atleast i have not changed something. The stress test in cpu-z gave the same result as before. stuck at 4.7 ghz. Got a screenshot of settings. Cant really understand why yhe turbo settings are different for the cores. they claim its supposed to be 5ghz overboard but its not and it has never boosted over 4.7

[zarkax]

Ive tried to change the boost settings in dip5 manually to go to 5 ghz when boosting and base speed of 4ghz and when stress testing with cpu-z its at 5 ghz for 5 min with the highest temperature being 69 degrees celcius. I'm using a rog ryujin 360 aio cooler. I'm afraid it might ht if i load it with a more intense stress test.

 

[Jurrunio]

Did you watercool the VRM?

 

Update the BIOS, from the max ratio limits it seems like the board is treating the 9900KS as 9900K

[zarkax]

1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

Did you watercool the VRM?

 

Update the BIOS, from the max ratio limits it seems like the board is treating the 9900KS as 9900K

Nope it has standard cooling. I can watercool it but then i need to build a custom loop which i cant afford atm. it has the ek cooling mounted on it.

 

the bios is up to date. It is turboing to 5 ghz in stress test and benchamarking now after my adjustments but cpuserbenchmark still registers it as 4.75 ghz. There is others that is registered at 5.1 ghz and 5.0 ghz. Im going crazy. 

[Jurrunio]

1 hour ago, zarkax said:

Nope it has standard cooling. I can watercool it but then i need to build a custom loop which i cant afford atm. it has the ek cooling mounted on it.

You know that with only the waterblock but no water, you're essentially cooking it right? On top of that there's no temperature read out you can get out from it... Take the heatsink off and blast it with a fan of some sort. I dont know if it's overheating or not but the Formula is using the same VRM as the Hero, "praised" for having the highest VRM temperature of boards at its price range, and that board has a proper heatsink for air cooling.

 

1 hour ago, zarkax said:

the bios is up to date. It is turboing to 5 ghz in stress test and benchamarking now after my adjustments but cpuserbenchmark still registers it as 4.75 ghz. There is others that is registered at 5.1 ghz and 5.0 ghz. Im going crazy. 

If all of that doesn't work, just enable MCE.

[Streetguru]

4 hours ago, zarkax said:

 

It's not going to boost to 5ghz under an AVX workload like that

 

what's the boost running something like firestrike or just a game?

[KotOr]

looking at this HWinfo forum post #6 https://www.hwinfo.com/forum/threads/no-vrm-temps-asus-maximus-xi-formula.5382/ . maybe you could be lucky and your board will show VRM temps. but on other hand if that guy case is true and under load he has 94c that is not nice

[zarkax]

1 hour ago, Jurrunio said:

You know that with only the waterblock but no water, you're essentially cooking it right? On top of that there's no temperature read out you can get out from it... Take the heatsink off and blast it with a fan of some sort. I dont know if it's overheating or not but the Formula is using the same VRM as the Hero, "praised" for having the highest VRM temperature of boards at its price range, and that board has a proper heatsink for air cooling.

 

If all of that doesn't work, just enable MCE.

Oh I most certainly didnt know i was cooking the vram. jesus. Getting the thing off. Got explained to me that its not nessecary to take it of since the sink inside of the block would take care of the cooling alongside with the fan ontop of the cooling package of my cpu. Yeah its a quite pricy mb but i like the functions it gives despite all the issues im having. 

I checked temperatures of the vrams and its not going high under load. Tried another stresstest. I have to load a profile with the changes the cpu should have stock every reboot. Setting the max boost to 5.0 Ghz in Asus ai suite every time. The vram reported 46 degress maximium with load under time (atleast 5 min stresstest). Everything seems ok when i change the boost setting myself but i dont get why i need to do it when it should be stock. 

 

 

Shouldnt mce be unlocked already ? im lost. Really appriciating all the help lads. Kind of new to building computers.

[zarkax]

1 hour ago, Streetguru said:

It's not going to boost to 5ghz under an AVX workload like that

 

what's the boost running something like firestrike or just a game?

The boost is at 5.0 ghz under a whole benchmark. Havnt tried gaming yet. Thats the next step. Ive manually set the maximium clock of all cores when bosting to 5.0 ghz but it boosts like that through the whole benchmark for some reason. Intel claimed that it will boost to 5.0 ghz if thermal and power conditions are met for a unlimited time. It scares me though since its hitting 80 degrees max then stabilizing without thermal throttling.

[zarkax]

1 hour ago, KotOr said:

looking at this HWinfo forum post #6 https://www.hwinfo.com/forum/threads/no-vrm-temps-asus-maximus-xi-formula.5382/ . maybe you could be lucky and your board will show VRM temps. but on other hand if that guy case is true and under load he has 94c that is not nice

I looked it up. Board did show vrm temps. seems like nothing is wrong with them though. stable around mid 40is

[Streetguru]

19 minutes ago, zarkax said:

The boost is at 5.0 ghz under a whole benchmark. Havnt tried gaming yet. Thats the next step. Ive manually set the maximium clock of all cores when bosting to 5.0 ghz but it boosts like that through the whole benchmark for some reason. Intel claimed that it will boost to 5.0 ghz if thermal and power conditions are met for a unlimited time. It scares me though since its hitting 80 degrees max then stabilizing without thermal throttling.

It will specifically underclock itself under AVX workloads as they use more power than typical things like gaming.

 

There should be an AVX offset in the bios somewhere to control that, but for games it should hit 5ghz without issues. You really don't need it at 5ghz for AVX workloads.

[Jurrunio]

17 minutes ago, zarkax said:

I looked it up. Board did show vrm temps. seems like nothing is wrong with them though. stable around mid 40is

I think it's not the right sensor. 

 

Just too much cooler than a 9900k (stock) in a Hero.

 

21 minutes ago, zarkax said:

vram

VRM, not VRAM. VRAM is what GPU uses for memory, VRM is used for power delivery.

 

21 minutes ago, zarkax said:

Asus ai suite

what if you uninstall this altogether? Buggy software is not uncommon even by Asus

 

21 minutes ago, zarkax said:

Shouldnt mce be unlocked already ?

MCE on board reacting properly to 9900KS is useless, but it may help you

 

AVX offset should be at 0 btw

[zarkax]

17 hours ago, Streetguru said:

It will specifically underclock itself under AVX workloads as they use more power than typical things like gaming.

 

There should be an AVX offset in the bios somewhere to control that, but for games it should hit 5ghz without issues. You really don't need it at 5ghz for AVX workloads.

It is not hitting 5.0 ghz in games if i dont manually change the boost on all cores to 5.0ghz. Its still stuck at 4.7.

[zarkax]

17 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

I think it's not the right sensor. 

 

Just too much cooler than a 9900k (stock) in a Hero.

 

VRM, not VRAM. VRAM is what GPU uses for memory, VRM is used for power delivery.

 

what if you uninstall this altogether? Buggy software is not uncommon even by Asus

 

MCE on board reacting properly to 9900KS is useless, but it may help you

 

AVX offset should be at 0 btw

Might not be but all different temps of the mbu shows no signs of worry. Even touched the mb and wasnt hot at all. 

 

I know. My brain is so friend trying to solve this issue. 

Im trying different softwares not only asus one. 

 

Wont Mce cause thermal issues?

 

how do you change the avx offset?

[Jurrunio]

3 hours ago, zarkax said:

Might not be but all different temps of the mbu shows no signs of worry. Even touched the mb and wasnt hot at all. 

Heat is very concentrated to the powerstages. They are completely screwed if anywhere feels hot as far as the Formula's concerned.

 

3 hours ago, zarkax said:

Wont Mce cause thermal issues?

That's why I said you should only try it after taking the heatblock off, then you should at least see it run 5GHz all core. Not ideal still

 

3 hours ago, zarkax said:

how do you change the avx offset?

It's an option somewhere in the BIOS