What to upgrade first?

[ShaunH]

Don't actually know where to post this so I just posted here considering I was thinking to upgrade my graphics card first. So, the past 4 months or so my fps in games has been dropping lower than 60 and I've been wanting to upgrade my pc to last preferably till the end of next year. I mainly use the PC to play games. I was looking at the 2070 super but wanted to ask here anyway. Preferably below £800. 

Current build :

PCPartPicker Part List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/6pXhLJ

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 1700 3 GHz 8-Core Processor  (£143.21 @ Amazon UK) 
Motherboard: Asus STRIX X370-F GAMING ATX AM4 Motherboard  (£170.95 @ Amazon UK) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-2400 Memory  (£64.98 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Crucial MX500 500 GB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  (£59.46 @ Amazon UK) 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive 
Video Card: Asus GeForce GTX 1070 Ti 8 GB ROG STRIX Video Card  (£649.46 @ Amazon UK) 
Case: Cooler Master MasterCase Pro 5 ATX Mid Tower Case 
Power Supply: Corsair RMx 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  (£96.49 @ Currys PC World) 
Optical Drive: Samsung SH-224DB/BEBE DVD/CD Writer 
Monitor: LG 24GM79G-B 24.0" 1920x1080 144 Hz Monitor  (£185.00 @ Amazon UK) 
Headphones: Kingston HyperX Cloud II 7.1 Channel  Headset  (£78.98 @ Amazon UK) 
Total: £1448.53
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-03 09:26 GMT+0000

 

Thanks in advance.

 

 

[minibois]

You should definitely check during gaming what is maxing out.

I have a somewhat similar system (except an RX 580, much weaker GPU) and I can maintain a good FPS in a lot of games.

 

If you're gonna do 144Hz gaming, the CPU will hold you back somewhat:

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https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3398-best-cpus-of-2018-gaming-photoshop-production-streaming

 

But that will depend on the game too of course. And that is compared to other CPU options...

I wouldn't even be surprised if the memory is the issue in this case (assuming you're running it at 2400Mhz), considering I get stutter in games when running at 2133Mhz.

The RTX 2070 Super has a really good value and should be a good 30% better than what you have right now, but might not be the exact performance increase you're looking for.

 

Personally I wanted to upgrade my CPU, but then realized it really is not nescecary for most games and stuff like video editing goes really well still - so an RTX 2070S/5700XT upgrade was in the pipeline for myself too.

[Streetguru]

10 minutes ago, ShaunH said:

Don't actually know where to post this so I just posted here considering I was thinking to upgrade my graphics card first. So, the

What game?

Your GPU is perfectly fine for 1080p 144hz gaming

 

you could just drop in an R5 3600 to get a 20-30% boost in single core performance

 

but reinstalling windows would probably help as well if you can hold out for Ryzen 4000

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[ShaunH]

16 minutes ago, minibois said:

You should definitely check during gaming what is maxing out.

I have a somewhat similar system (except an RX 580, much weaker GPU) and I can maintain a good FPS in a lot of games.

 

If you're gonna do 144Hz gaming, the CPU will hold you back somewhat:

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https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3398-best-cpus-of-2018-gaming-photoshop-production-streaming

 

But that will depend on the game too of course. And that is compared to other CPU options...

I wouldn't even be surprised if the memory is the issue in this case (assuming you're running it at 2400Mhz), considering I get stutter in games when running at 2133Mhz.

The RTX 2070 Super has a really good value and should be a good 30% better than what you have right now, but might not be the exact performance increase you're looking for.

 

Personally I wanted to upgrade my CPU, but then realized it really is not nescecary for most games and stuff like video editing goes really well still - so an RTX 2070S/5700XT upgrade was in the pipeline for myself too.

yeah its running at 2400 - just never got around to getting 3200. Was planning on changing the CPU later on so was going to do the ram at the same time. Not really fussed about 144hz gaming - Just want to get over 60. Monitor was on sale so thats why I have it haha.

 

15 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

What game?

Your GPU is perfectly fine for 1080p 144hz gaming

 

you could just drop in an R5 3600 to get a 20-30% boost in single core performance

 

but reinstalling windows would probably help as well if you can hold out for Ryzen 4000

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The games that I've been having issues with are games like Squad, Escape from Tarkov, Hell Let Loose, Arma 3 - basically any game with a lot of people in the map. Read Dead Redemption 2 is coming out on the 5th as well so concerned about that as well - considering it is a massive open world with a lot of players in it. Plan is to stay at 1080p, and I am wanting to play the new games coming out in 2020 like Cyberpunk 2077 etc. So mainly why I am wanting to set my sights on upgrading now or getting plans for it as it takes a while to get spare money on the side. How long until the 4th gen ryzen comes out? also - is there any other cards coming out to look out for? Either way - I mainly want to upgrade my pc at the start of the year to have it last until the end of 2020-2021 at least.

 

Edit : Would a 3rd gen ryzen work in my board? last I read they weren't backwards compatible for 300 series boards. Though that was about 2 months ago I read that.

[Stormseeker9]

Uhm, if you actually bought 3200mhz ram, please enable xmp in your bios. Ryzen hugely benefits from faster ram.

 

As for your GPU, should be doing 1080p 100-120ish fps. You could grab a 3600 or 2600 if budget is tight as upgrade for cpu.

[Streetguru]

2 minutes ago, ShaunH said:

Squad, Escape from Tarkov, Hell Let Loose, Arma 3

Well Squad is early access, check some benchmark videos on youtube

 

Escape from Tarkov runs pretty bad on an 8700K + 1080ti here

 

ARMA 3 may be broken on Ryzen CPUs for some reason, it gets half the fps as intel in some older benchmarks

Hell let loose as well appears to run very poorly here on an i5 and 2060

 

 

You may just be playing a lot of early access/unoptimized/broken games

[ShaunH]

8 minutes ago, Stormseeker9 said:

Uhm, if you actually bought 3200mhz ram

No, I bought 2400mhz ram. At the time 3000mhz ram cost £200 for 16gb.

15 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

You may just be playing a lot of early access/unoptimized/broken games

True - though compared to my mate who has ryzen 2600 and 2070s he runs them just fine. So I was mainly just wanting to try and get playable rates. 

[Stormseeker9]

4 minutes ago, ShaunH said:

No, I bought 2400mhz ram. At the time 3000mhz ram cost £200 for 16gb.

True - though compared to my mate who has ryzen 2600 and 2070s he runs them just fine. So I was mainly just wanting to try and get playable rates. 

Perhaps you might wanna sell that kit and grab a 3200mhz kit. Ryzen has a huge benefit from it and a 16GB 3200mhz kit cost around 70/80£ I believe 

[ShaunH]

4 minutes ago, Stormseeker9 said:

Perhaps you might wanna sell that kit and grab a 3200mhz kit.

I would - but seeing as I am planning on upgrading the cpu and probably the mobo - I dont want to get ram and then have to change it later on.

[Streetguru]

17 minutes ago, ShaunH said:

No, I bought 2400mhz ram. At the time 3000mhz ram cost £200 for 16gb.

True - though compared to my mate who has ryzen 2600 and 2070s he runs them just fine. So I was mainly just wanting to try and get playable rates. 

Your GPUs aren't very far apart, and your CPUs are within 10% of each other

 

If your motherboard supports Ryzen 3000 probably get an R5 3600 or R7 3700X if the cost isn't too big of a deal

 

then get 3600mhz CL16 RAM eventually when a kit is on sale

 

13 minutes ago, Stormseeker9 said:

Perhaps you might wanna sell that kit and grab a 3200mhz kit. Ryzen has a huge benefit from it and a 16GB 3200mhz kit cost around 70/80£ I believe 

May be hard to get 3000mhz/3200mhz on first gen Ryzen even after the bios updates

[Stormseeker9]

6 minutes ago, Streetguru said:

Your GPUs aren't very far apart, and your CPUs are within 10% of each other

 

If your motherboard supports Ryzen 3000 probably get an R5 3600 or R7 3700X if the cost isn't too big of a deal

 

then get 3600mhz CL16 RAM eventually when a kit is on sale

 

May be hard to get 3000mhz/3200mhz on first gen Ryzen even after the bios updates

He’s planning on upgrading mobo / cpu. If OP does, I strongly suggest grabbing a 3200mhz kit. Ryzen 2nd and 3rd gen benefit hugely of it. 

[ShaunH]

45 minutes ago, Stormseeker9 said:

He’s planning on upgrading mobo / cpu

that was after my gpu - though I dunno now haha. If I should even upgrade any part of my pc at all or not.

[Monster212]

i would for sure upgrade to a ryzen 2600 or 3600 and a motherboard then grab some 3200MHz ram i have a ryzen 3600 and running my ram at 3200 cl14 

[ShaunH]

8 hours ago, Monster212 said:

i would for sure upgrade to a ryzen 2600 or 3600

So, you're suggesting upgrading my cpu/mobo/ram first? If so - why the 3600? what mobo would you get with it, and what ram?

[Stormseeker9]

20 hours ago, ShaunH said:

So, you're suggesting upgrading my cpu/mobo/ram first? If so - why the 3600? what mobo would you get with it, and what ram?

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
CPU	AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor	$194.00 @ Amazon
Motherboard	MSI B450 TOMAHAWK MAX ATX AM4 Motherboard	$114.99 @ Best Buy
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 Memory	$67.98 @ Amazon
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$376.97
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-04 12:28 EST-0500

 

or for about $10 upgrade the ram to:

runnint 3600mhz means you can run it 1:1 with the Infinity fabric 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
Memory	Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory	$74.99 @ Newegg
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total	$74.99
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-04 12:29 EST-0500

 

[ShaunH]

2 hours ago, Stormseeker9 said:

runnint 3600mhz means you can run it 1:1 with the Infinity fabric 

I see - thanks for the list. Is it worth getting a 500 series instead of 400? I can spend around an extra 100 or so with the 3600 ram. So the PCI-E 4.0 or not - plus would it be worth to get it for ryzen 4?

[Stormseeker9]

6 minutes ago, ShaunH said:

I see - thanks for the list. Is it worth getting a 500 series instead of 400? I can spend around an extra 100 or so with the 3600 ram. So the PCI-E 4.0 or not - plus would it be worth to get it for ryzen 4?

I mean if you have $100 left, then yes grab a X570 instead, assume that it would be better if you plan to do a cpu upgrade in a few years. 
 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

Type	Item	Price
Motherboard	Gigabyte X570 AORUS ELITE ATX AM4 Motherboard	$189.69 @ OutletPC
	Prices include shipping, taxes, rebates, and discounts
	Total (before mail-in rebates)	$229.69
	Mail-in rebates	-$40.00
	Total	$189.69
	Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-11-04 15:00 EST-0500

 

[ShaunH]

On 11/4/2019 at 8:00 PM, Stormseeker9 said:

then yes grab a X570 instead

Alright! Thanks for all the help, decided on upgrading cpu first then ill do the card at the start of next year or so. Thanks to everybody else as well for the assistance.

 

One last thing - do you think it's worth to get 32 GB of ram? 4x8 of the ram you put on the list.

Also - can you suggest a cpu cooler to put on the 3600 to reduce temps.

[BTGbullseye]

4 hours ago, ShaunH said:

One last thing - do you think it's worth to get 32 GB of ram? 4x8 of the ram you put on the list.

It's a waste of money at this point for gaming. 16GB will never get filled with any existing or known upcoming game.

4 hours ago, ShaunH said:

Also - can you suggest a cpu cooler to put on the 3600 to reduce temps.

DeepCool GAMMAXX 400. It's $20, and performs like a $60 cooler. (it just isn't very pretty) Throw on a second fan, and it's one of the better coolers you can get for a 3600, and way lower priced than the rest of the good ones.

[ShaunH]

10 hours ago, BTGbullseye said:

It's a waste of money at this point for gaming

Ah alright, I'll stick with 16gb then.

 

10 hours ago, BTGbullseye said:

DeepCool GAMMAXX 400

Thanks! Shall add this to my list then. I don't mind it not looking nice - I don't really care what my pc looks like as long as it works.

[BTGbullseye]

6 hours ago, ShaunH said:

Thanks! Shall add this to my list then. I don't mind it not looking nice - I don't really care what my pc looks like as long as it works.

That's my philosophy too. I'm here to use my computer, not use it as an art piece.