freestyle sharpening Correct me:Does Nvidia Freestyle Sharpening improves Quality?

[Mr.Stork]

Specs: http://specr.me/show/8ee

I was playing Assassin's Creed Syndicate on 1920x1080p monitor, and thought of downscaling to 1600x900, and turned on Sharpening in Nvidia Overlay, it seemed worse that native 1080p. And the sharpening dosen't look too good either. Am I doing something wrong? I watched the Hardware Unboxed's video about that and they did it with 4k and it seemed good, so was it applied on 4k or to reach close to 4k?

So, do I apply on 1080p on 1080p monitor?, Unless the performance impact is far worse than how better it makes the games look..

 

Thanks.

[tikker]

I'm not surprised it looks worse. 1600x900 just doesn't fit nicely into a 1920x1080 grid. It's a factor of 1.2 difference on each side. In the video (can't watch it now), did they by chance scale down from 4k to 1080p or something, i.e. a nice round factor of 4?  Because then it can be scaled well, since now effectively 4 pixels become 1.

7 minutes ago, Mr.Stork said:

So, do I apply on 1080p on 1080p monitor?

Ideally yes. This goes for any resolution, that stuff will look best at its native resolution, as that's what it was designed to display. It's performance impact depends entirely on what components you have in your PC and the game settings.

[Meganter]

5 minutes ago, Mr.Stork said:

 

It's because the sharpening in Nvidia is poop for now. They say it in the video too  

[Jurrunio]

maybe because 900p is too much for it? Freestyle sharpening just isnt as good as Radeon Sharpening, even though it's still better than playing at the same reduced render res without sharpening

[Mr.Stork]

30 minutes ago, tikker said:

did they by chance scale down from 4k to 1080p or something

Not to 1080p but downscaled, as I understood, they used it on native also dlss to reach 4k. They mentioned "near 4k" many times, so I would assume it's downscaled.

Here's 2 images:

Last image /\ has a line from the middle

[Mr.Stork]

3 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Freestyle sharpening just isnt as good as Radeon Sharpening

Thats the thing, it is very very similar, if not better! see the video or the image I posted above in the reply (from the video)

[Mr.Stork]

31 minutes ago, Plouffe said:

It's because the sharpening in Nvidia is poop for now. They say it in the video too  

idk dude it looks good to me: https://linustechtips.com/main/topic/1118781-correct-medoes-nvidia-freestyle-sharpening-improves-quality/?do=findComment&comment=13007478

[Jurrunio]

13 minutes ago, Mr.Stork said:

Thats the thing, it is very very similar, if not better! see the video or the image I posted above in the reply (from the video)

To me Freestyle looks a bit less clear, with actual cards on the same monitor. 

[Mr.Stork]

2 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

To me Freestyle looks a bit less clear, with actual cards on the same monitor.

But does both Freestyle and amd variant of sharpening increase perf? I mean why should i use it??

[Jurrunio]

4 hours ago, Mr.Stork said:

But does both Freestyle and amd variant of sharpening increase perf? I mean why should i use it??

you use it to compensate for quality loss and benefit from performance increase by rendering at a lower native resolution.

[Mr.Stork]

15 hours ago, Jurrunio said:

lower native resolution.

What does "lower native res" mean? U mean Lower than native res? or like 1080p on a 4k monitor?

[Jurrunio]

5 minutes ago, Mr.Stork said:

What does "lower native res" mean? U mean Lower than native res? or like 1080p on a 4k monitor?

not nearly as extreme but yes you're right

[Mr.Stork]

1 minute ago, Jurrunio said:

not nearly as extreme but yes you're right

What should I do then? Is there any benifit for 1080p monitors?

[SkilledRebuilds]

Without Scaling tech enabled, default resolution changes,...Forcing 900p on a 1080p introduces bad quality scaling and more blur than 900p native.

 

When TAA or bad SMAA Antialiasing blurs the hell out of a game at 1080p I use Nvidia Sharpening if supported.

Or if I'm using negative resolution scaling... lowering from native 1080p.

That's a use case or two...

 

Using it can cost a frame or few.. vs AVG FPS.

 

[Mr.Stork]

1 minute ago, SkilledRebuilds said:

When TAA or bad SMAA Antialiasing blurs the he'll out of a game at 1080p I use Nvidia Sharpening if supported.

Or if I'm using negative resolution scaling... lowering from native 1080p.

That's a use case or two...

 

Using it can cost a frame or few.. vs AVG FPS.

 

When it's blurred applying sharpening over it can't bring back the lost details, so best to use lower lvl of AA + sharpening. Is that what you meant?

[SkilledRebuilds]

2 minutes ago, Mr.Stork said:

When it's blurred applying sharpening over it can't bring back the lost details, so best to use lower lvl of AA + sharpening. Is that what you meant?

Its not an absolute fix for the blur 

It's subtle improvements to a shitty looking blurred AA. not all games need it though..

 

But CODMW 2019 Beta looks fantastic with 70-80% Sharpening and Horrible Vaseline Blur with it disabled and using SMAA2x in game on both tries.

 

It's not a fix, just makes a bad situation a little better.

[Boby]

Captain here. The image sharpening feature is meant to be used in games that have internal scaling rendering option like AC Oddessey, so the game runs at native resolution like 1080p but the assets are rendered internally at 900p. And then if you apply sharpening, it's almost indestiguishable from native. However if you change your actual monitor resolution, to anything but native, no amount of sharpening will fix the crap. 

[Mr.Stork]

On 11/9/2019 at 8:40 AM, Boby said:

Captain here. The image sharpening feature is meant to be used in games that have internal scaling rendering option like AC Oddessey, so the game runs at native resolution like 1080p but the assets are rendered internally at 900p. And then if you apply sharpening, it's almost indestiguishable from native. However if you change your actual monitor resolution, to anything but native, no amount of sharpening will fix the ███.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHWWWW, so that was the problem. I get it now. Well this is the best answer I got. Thanks! Gonna close the post now.

[Boby]

Yeah, there are mostly TV's and some PC monitors that have upscaler too, so on them its fine if you change the resolution, but this is rather new, most PC monitors don't have upscalers and anything different then native is just terrible.

That's why consoles 900p looks decent on 4k TV, as assets are internally rendered at 900p, sharpened and output signal is 1080p and then TV upscale it to 4k.