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Sdd675

Hello everyone.

 

I just got a 2060 super and at the moment it sits with the following rig:

 

I5 6600

Z170 (ddr3 ram compatible)

16gb RAM

 

I am thinking of upgrading as follows:

 

I5 9400F

B360 (which one i don't know)

16gb ddr4

 

So my questions are:

Is the above pairing any good?

Should i choose something different?

I do not plan to overclock so i don't know if going for an I5 9600k is worth the price difference.

 

My main usage is gaming.

I have a 27inch 2k monitor @ 144hz and i would like to have the best possible resolution/fps

 

Please advise

 

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You'd be far better off performance and value wise with a R5 3600 on a B450.

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1 minute ago, Princess Luna said:

You'd be far better off performance and value wise with a R5 3600 on a B450

just what i was typing atm ^^

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2 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

You'd be far better off performance and value wise with a R5 3600 on a B450.

Thank you for your swift reply.

 

I've red about the AMD performance but i'd rather stick w/INTEL

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1 minute ago, Sdd675 said:

I've red about the AMD performance but i'd rather stick w/INTEL

Why? paying a premium for a worse product doesn't sound very good money management.

 

Intel is only justified nowadays if you got the money to afford the i7 9700K or i9 9900K and is pairing it with a far faster GPU that can actually utilize the better CPU performance like a 2080 Super / 2080 Ti.

 

Anything lower than that and AMD is the obvious choice in value and performance.

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Luna, the temporary Desktop:

CPU: AMD R9 7950XT  |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock 4 Pro |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Aorus Master |~| RAM: 32G Kingston HyperX |~| GPU: AMD Radeon RX 7900XTX (Reference) |~| PSU: Corsair HX1000 80+ Platinum |~| Windows Boot Drive: 2x 512GB (1TB total) Plextor SATA SSD (RAID0 volume) |~| Linux Boot Drive: 500GB Kingston A2000 |~| Storage: 4TB WD Black HDD |~| Case: Cooler Master Silencio S600 |~| Display 1 (leftmost): Eizo (unknown model) 1920x1080 IPS @ 60Hz|~| Display 2 (center): BenQ ZOWIE XL2540 1920x1080 TN @ 240Hz |~| Display 3 (rightmost): Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 3840x2160 IPS @ 60Hz 10-bit |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro (games / art) + Linux (distro: NixOS; programming and daily driver)
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5 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

Why? paying a premium for a worse product doesn't sound very good money management.

 

Intel is only justified nowadays if you got the money to afford the i7 9700K or i9 9900K and is pairing it with a far faster GPU that can actually utilize the better CPU performance like a 2080 Super / 2080 Ti.

 

Anything lower than that and AMD is the obvious choice in value and performance.

But isn't single core performance more important for gaming?

Plus the INTEL is cheaper in my country

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Just now, Sdd675 said:

Plus the INTEL is cheaper in my country

Can you specify the prices on your country then so we have a better understanding?

 

Just now, Sdd675 said:

But isn't single core performance more important for gaming?

Yes it is and a Ryzen 5 3600 has superior single core performance than an i5 9400F

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Luna, the temporary Desktop:

CPU: AMD R9 7950XT  |~| Cooling: bq! Dark Rock 4 Pro |~| MOBO: Gigabyte Aorus Master |~| RAM: 32G Kingston HyperX |~| GPU: AMD Radeon RX 7900XTX (Reference) |~| PSU: Corsair HX1000 80+ Platinum |~| Windows Boot Drive: 2x 512GB (1TB total) Plextor SATA SSD (RAID0 volume) |~| Linux Boot Drive: 500GB Kingston A2000 |~| Storage: 4TB WD Black HDD |~| Case: Cooler Master Silencio S600 |~| Display 1 (leftmost): Eizo (unknown model) 1920x1080 IPS @ 60Hz|~| Display 2 (center): BenQ ZOWIE XL2540 1920x1080 TN @ 240Hz |~| Display 3 (rightmost): Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 3840x2160 IPS @ 60Hz 10-bit |~| OS: Windows 10 Pro (games / art) + Linux (distro: NixOS; programming and daily driver)
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Just now, Princess Luna said:

Can you specify the prices on your country then so we have a better understanding?

 

Yes it is and a Ryzen 5 3600 has superior single core performance than an i5 9400F

The difference is about 60-70euro. So by adding another 30-40euro to that difference i also get a decent b360.

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11 minutes ago, LauriHimself said:

just what i was typing atm ^^

it's the first thing I think of if I don't see 2080Ti in the title, as well.

 

 

"Do what makes the experience better" - in regards to PCs and Life itself.

 

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Steam Deck 512GB OLED

 

OnePlus: 

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OnePlus Buds Pro 2 - Eternal Green

 

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- 2021 Volvo S60 Recharge T8 Polestar Engineered - 415hp/495tq 2.0L 4cyl. turbocharged, supercharged and electrified.

Lenovo 720S Touch 15.6" - i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM 2400MHz, 512GB NVMe SSD, 1050Ti, 4K touchscreen

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11 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

it's the first thing I think of if I don't see 2080Ti in the title, as well.

not even with a 2080Ti i'd go with a i5 9400F ^^

a 9700K or 9900K yes, sure

but when you look at decent "mid range" performance i'd stick to my 3600 all day long

 

12 minutes ago, Sdd675 said:

The difference is about 60-70euro. So by adding another 30-40euro to that difference i also get a decent b360.

if you save a lot of money by going Intel then sure, go for it

 

if getting a 3600 along with a b450 board only costs you 20-30 bucks more, then that route will certanly be worth it

 

15 minutes ago, Sdd675 said:

Plus the INTEL is cheaper in my country

where exactly are you from and how is pricing where you live? just to have some sort of scope

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CPU: Ryzen 5 3600   Cooler: Corsair H115i Platinum   RAM: Corsair Vengence RGB Pro 16GB @3200   Mobo: Asus Prime X470 Pro

Graphics Card: Gigabyte Aorus 2080super Waterforce    Case: Corsair 500D   PSU: Corsair HX850i

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Just now, LauriHimself said:

not even with a 2080Ti i'd go with a i5 9400F ^^

a 9700K or 9900K yes, sure

but when you look at decent "mid range" performance i'd stick to my 3600 all day long

 

if you save a lot of money by going Intel then sure, go for it

 

if getting a 3600 along with a b450 board only costs you 20-30 bucks more, then that route will certanly be worth it

 

where exactly are you from and how is pricing where you live? just to have some sort of scope

Right, that's what I meant.  If I see 2080Ti in title, I instantly go with 9900K.  9400F isn't on my list of recommends at all.

 

I agree with the rest of this as well.  If AMD is expensive for the OP, I get it.

"Do what makes the experience better" - in regards to PCs and Life itself.

 

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7800X3D - PBO -30 all cores, 4.90GHz all core, 5.05GHz single core, 18286 C23 multi, 1779 C23 single

 

Emma : i9 9900K @5.1Ghz - Gigabyte AORUS 1080Ti - Gigabyte AORUS Z370 Gaming 5 - G. Skill Ripjaws V 32GB 3200CL16 - 750 EVO 512GB + 2x 860 EVO 1TB (RAID0) - EVGA SuperNova 650 P2 - Thermaltake Water 3.0 Ultimate 360mm - Fractal Design Define R6 - TP-Link AC1900 PCIe Wifi

 

Raven: AMD Ryzen 5 5600x3d - ASRock B550M Pro4 - G. Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 3200Mhz - XFX Radeon RX6650XT - Samsung 980 1TB + Crucial MX500 1TB - TP-Link AC600 USB Wifi - Gigabyte GP-P450B PSU -  Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L -  Samsung 27" 1080p

 

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Steam Deck 512GB OLED

 

OnePlus: 

OnePlus 11 5G - 16GB RAM, 256GB NAND, Eternal Green

OnePlus Buds Pro 2 - Eternal Green

 

Other Tech:

- 2021 Volvo S60 Recharge T8 Polestar Engineered - 415hp/495tq 2.0L 4cyl. turbocharged, supercharged and electrified.

Lenovo 720S Touch 15.6" - i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM 2400MHz, 512GB NVMe SSD, 1050Ti, 4K touchscreen

MSI GF62 15.6" - i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM 2400 MHz, 256GB NVMe SSD + 1TB 7200rpm HDD, 1050Ti

- Ubiquiti Amplifi HD mesh wifi

 

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21 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

Right, that's what I meant.  If I see 2080Ti in title, I instantly go with 9900K.  9400F isn't on my list of recommends at all.

 

I agree with the rest of this as well.  If AMD is expensive for the OP, I get it.

For the same amount of money that i can find R5 3600 + B450, i can get the 9400f + b360 + 16gb ddr4 thus my hezitation

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Just now, Sdd675 said:

For the same amount of money that i can find R5 3600 + B450, i can get the 9400f + b360 + 16gb ddr4 thus my hezitation

Can you sell your current rig to take some of the sting out of it?

 

I mean, get the 9400f setup if that fits your budget but you're playing in the upper mid-range here and it can get pricey for the performance you want.

 

 

"Do what makes the experience better" - in regards to PCs and Life itself.

 

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7800X3D - PBO -30 all cores, 4.90GHz all core, 5.05GHz single core, 18286 C23 multi, 1779 C23 single

 

Emma : i9 9900K @5.1Ghz - Gigabyte AORUS 1080Ti - Gigabyte AORUS Z370 Gaming 5 - G. Skill Ripjaws V 32GB 3200CL16 - 750 EVO 512GB + 2x 860 EVO 1TB (RAID0) - EVGA SuperNova 650 P2 - Thermaltake Water 3.0 Ultimate 360mm - Fractal Design Define R6 - TP-Link AC1900 PCIe Wifi

 

Raven: AMD Ryzen 5 5600x3d - ASRock B550M Pro4 - G. Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 3200Mhz - XFX Radeon RX6650XT - Samsung 980 1TB + Crucial MX500 1TB - TP-Link AC600 USB Wifi - Gigabyte GP-P450B PSU -  Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L -  Samsung 27" 1080p

 

Plex : AMD Ryzen 5 5600 - Gigabyte B550M AORUS Elite AX - G. Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 2400Mhz - MSI 1050Ti 4GB - Crucial P3 Plus 500GB + WD Red NAS 4TBx2 - TP-Link AC1200 PCIe Wifi - EVGA SuperNova 650 P2 - ASUS Prime AP201 - Spectre 24" 1080p

 

Steam Deck 512GB OLED

 

OnePlus: 

OnePlus 11 5G - 16GB RAM, 256GB NAND, Eternal Green

OnePlus Buds Pro 2 - Eternal Green

 

Other Tech:

- 2021 Volvo S60 Recharge T8 Polestar Engineered - 415hp/495tq 2.0L 4cyl. turbocharged, supercharged and electrified.

Lenovo 720S Touch 15.6" - i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM 2400MHz, 512GB NVMe SSD, 1050Ti, 4K touchscreen

MSI GF62 15.6" - i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM 2400 MHz, 256GB NVMe SSD + 1TB 7200rpm HDD, 1050Ti

- Ubiquiti Amplifi HD mesh wifi

 

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2 minutes ago, Sdd675 said:

For the same amount of money that i can find R5 3600 + B450, i can get the 9400f + b360 + 16gb ddr4 thus my hezitation

what amount of money are we talking about and where are you from? so we can see what is availabe to you and for how much?

 

as i understand it the intel way would "save you" about 70-100 bucks? right? (what you spend on ram)

 

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1 hour ago, LauriHimself said:

what amount of money are we talking about and where are you from? so we can see what is availabe to you and for how much?

 

as i understand it the intel way would "save you" about 70-100 bucks? right? (what you spend on ram)

 

I can get the i5 + mobo + 16gb ram for 240-250€ whereas the AMD will be the same amount without the ram

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24 minutes ago, Sdd675 said:

I can get the i5 + mobo + 16gb ram for 240-250€ whereas the AMD will be the same amount without the ram

Exactly what motherboard and RAM are included in that Intel package?

 

 

"Do what makes the experience better" - in regards to PCs and Life itself.

 

Onyx AMD Ryzen 7 7800x3d / MSI 6900xt Gaming X Trio / Gigabyte B650 AORUS Pro AX / G. Skill Flare X5 6000CL36 32GB / Samsung 980 1TB x3 / Super Flower Leadex V Platinum Pro 850 / EK-AIO 360 Basic / Fractal Design North XL (black mesh) / AOC AGON 35" 3440x1440 100Hz / Mackie CR5BT / Corsair Virtuoso SE / Cherry MX Board 3.0 / Logitech G502

 

7800X3D - PBO -30 all cores, 4.90GHz all core, 5.05GHz single core, 18286 C23 multi, 1779 C23 single

 

Emma : i9 9900K @5.1Ghz - Gigabyte AORUS 1080Ti - Gigabyte AORUS Z370 Gaming 5 - G. Skill Ripjaws V 32GB 3200CL16 - 750 EVO 512GB + 2x 860 EVO 1TB (RAID0) - EVGA SuperNova 650 P2 - Thermaltake Water 3.0 Ultimate 360mm - Fractal Design Define R6 - TP-Link AC1900 PCIe Wifi

 

Raven: AMD Ryzen 5 5600x3d - ASRock B550M Pro4 - G. Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 3200Mhz - XFX Radeon RX6650XT - Samsung 980 1TB + Crucial MX500 1TB - TP-Link AC600 USB Wifi - Gigabyte GP-P450B PSU -  Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L -  Samsung 27" 1080p

 

Plex : AMD Ryzen 5 5600 - Gigabyte B550M AORUS Elite AX - G. Skill Ripjaws V 16GB 2400Mhz - MSI 1050Ti 4GB - Crucial P3 Plus 500GB + WD Red NAS 4TBx2 - TP-Link AC1200 PCIe Wifi - EVGA SuperNova 650 P2 - ASUS Prime AP201 - Spectre 24" 1080p

 

Steam Deck 512GB OLED

 

OnePlus: 

OnePlus 11 5G - 16GB RAM, 256GB NAND, Eternal Green

OnePlus Buds Pro 2 - Eternal Green

 

Other Tech:

- 2021 Volvo S60 Recharge T8 Polestar Engineered - 415hp/495tq 2.0L 4cyl. turbocharged, supercharged and electrified.

Lenovo 720S Touch 15.6" - i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM 2400MHz, 512GB NVMe SSD, 1050Ti, 4K touchscreen

MSI GF62 15.6" - i7 7700HQ, 16GB RAM 2400 MHz, 256GB NVMe SSD + 1TB 7200rpm HDD, 1050Ti

- Ubiquiti Amplifi HD mesh wifi

 

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3 hours ago, jstudrawa said:

Exactly what motherboard and RAM are included in that Intel package?

 

 

A b360 either gigabyte aorus or tuf or asus rog gaming f or prime. For ram I am fan of corsair so I am thinking for vengeance at 2666 (don't care for oc) 

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Ryzen 5 3600 + B450 MSI Pro Carbon or Tomahawk + 3600mhz CL16.

 

Nobody can argue thats the best thing you can buy right now for the money.

Main System: Ryzen 2700, Asus Crosshair VII Hero, EVGA GTX 1080ti SC, 970 EVO Plus NVMe, Crucial Ballistix 3200mhz CL14, CM H500, CM ML240L cpu cooler.

Second System: Ryzen 2400G, Gigabyte B450 DS3H, RX 580 Nitro+, Kingston A400 SSD, Team T-Force 3200mhz CL15

If it ain't overclocked it ain't good...

 

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Buildzoid's AM4 motherboard roundup: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ti38JS8RuPU

 

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17 minutes ago, Sdd675 said:

The 85$ you mention is for USA I guess because for Greece in Newegg it says 97€ and I don't even know the transfer cost 

i forgot to mention how much it would be in other locations but... this is still the cheapest kit in this category. 3200mz will work fine tho

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