Best cpu cooler for ryzen 7 3800x

[maizenblue]

Im looking at upgrading from an I7 4790k. Probably wont be doing much in the way of oc’ing. 

 

The stock cooler seems kinda meh. Adequate, but with temps and noise on the high side. Im partial to liquid coolers since they take up less space, look nicer and run quieter, but ive heard most are designed for intel and are a pain to put on amd. 

 

I have a corsair h60 and its served me well with my 4790k, but its now almost 6 years old so i doubt id use it. 

[Mateyyy]

Firstly I'd suggest you go with a 3700X instead of the 3800X, as it's pretty much the same CPU, only cheaper.

 

Regarding the cooling topic, the "run quieter" part isn't really true, as in any AIO, besides the fans, will also have a pump, which will create additional noise, compared to air coolers where there's just the fans. I'd recommend a Dark Rock 4 or a NH-U14S, but if you really want to go with an AIO, a single 120/140mm rad will do, especially if you plan to run it stock, though you could also go with a 240mm, and keep the fans running at lower speeds.

[Jurrunio]

9 minutes ago, maizenblue said:

The stock cooler seems kinda meh. Adequate, but with temps and noise on the high side

but that's the major reason of buying a 3800x instead of a 3700x. They both run near their core frequency limits.

[maizenblue]

30 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

but that's the major reason of buying a 3800x instead of a 3700x. They both run near their core frequency limits.

The 3800x is only 30 dollars more and runs at a higher clock speed and possibly has more OC headroom should I choose to OC.

[Triboal]

6 minutes ago, maizenblue said:

The 3800x is only 30 dollars more and runs at a higher clock speed and possibly has more OC headroom should I choose to OC.

Nope. With Ryzen 3000 chips the advertised boost clock is as far as it’ll go, and getting an all-core overclock at the advertised boost clock speed is a challenge if not impossible. 
The reason people recommend the 3700X over the 3800X is simply down to the cost. You’re essentially paying 30 dollars more for an extra 100 MHz clock speed.

[Jurrunio]

9 minutes ago, maizenblue said:

The 3800x is only 30 dollars more and runs at a higher clock speed and possibly has more OC headroom should I choose to OC.

$30 for at best 200MHz gain, that's not noticeable compared to say, upgrading 3200MHz CL16 memory to 3600MHz CL18 which would also cost you $30 extra (for 16GB)

[Vejnemojnen]

Just browse through this.

https://www.techspot.com/review/1899-ryzen-3800x-vs-3700x-difference/

 

anyone buying a 3800x is probably buying it on the account of someone else  

[maizenblue]

30 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

$30 for at best 200MHz gain, that's not noticeable compared to say, upgrading 3200MHz CL16 memory to 3600MHz CL18 which would also cost you $30 extra (for 16GB)

I get that, if it was any more than 30 I would probably just go 3700x, but if you have a system that costs 1300 dollars to build, plus another 500 for a monitor, is 30 dollars more for arguably the most important component and one that should last you 4 or 5 years really important?

 

The 3700x does have lower TDP so I guess there's that.

[Jurrunio]

8 minutes ago, maizenblue said:

is 30 dollars more for arguably the most important component and one that should last you 4 or 5 years really important?

I never said you shouldn't spend $30 extra when you can, what I am saying is that you should spend it on better places. Even $30 extra budget for case fans or cooler make more sense than a 3800x

[maizenblue]

15 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

I never said you shouldn't spend $30 extra when you can, what I am saying is that you should spend it on better places. Even $30 extra budget for case fans or cooler make more sense than a 3800x

But the REASON you get extra fans or buy a beefier cooler is so you can overclock, no? So why not just cut out the middle man and buy a CPU that's already clocked 100mhz higher?

[geo3]

NH-D15 or NH-U12A.

 

I got a 3800X and don't regret spending the extra. It's essentially better a binned 3700X. If there was no value it that then siliconlottery.com would never have existed. 

[maizenblue]

1 minute ago, geo3 said:

NH-D15 or NH-U12A.

 

I got a 3800X and don't regret spending the extra. It's essentially better a binned 3700X. If there was no value it that then siliconlottery.com would never have existed. 

The D15 is considered the higher end cooler running one right? What cooler did you use for your 3800x, and was it difficult to install?

[Jurrunio]

16 minutes ago, maizenblue said:

no?

it's for lower noise levels if you ask me. For performance then just get better memory.

 

17 minutes ago, maizenblue said:

So why not just cut out the middle man and buy a CPU that's already clocked 100mhz higher?

because 400MHz extra on memory helps more

[geo3]

Just now, maizenblue said:

The D15 is considered the higher end cooler running one right? What cooler did you use for your 3800x, and was it difficult to install?

The D15 is higher end than the U12A however it's quite close in performance. The U12A is newer and smaller and lighter and therefore a more practical solution. 

 

I have a small ITX case and can't fit either of these coolers. I have a Dark Rock TF, which is a Noctua NH-C14 equivalent. I would have gone with the C14 but the BeQuiet one fits my case slightly better. 

[maizenblue]

35 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

it's for lower noise levels if you ask me. For performance then just get better memory.

 

because 400MHz extra on memory helps more

I plan on getting 3600mhz ddr 4 as well. I've seen it go for like 10 dollars more than a 3200 if I recall. Im not someone that just throws away money, like someone that buys a 1000 dollar GPU for a 1080p monitor, when a 400 dollar one would work just as well.

 

CPU is the one thing I splurge on because it tends to be the core of your system and lasts a long time if you choose right. For this reason I've even considered a 9900k, but that would run the price up a LOT more than 30 dollars. Id be looking at an additional 250 dollars. I might even wait until zen 2 plus next year, im just weighing my options now.

[Jurrunio]

24 minutes ago, maizenblue said:

I plan on getting 3600mhz ddr 4 as well. I've seen it go for like 10 dollars more than a 3200 if I recall.

Even shorter timings then, CL16 is readily available if not even low tRP/tRCD ones (say CL 18 kits are usually 18-22-22, CL16 are 16-19-19, more expensive ones could be 16-18-18 or 16-16-16)

 

26 minutes ago, maizenblue said:

CPU is the one thing I splurge on because it tends to be the core of your system and lasts a long time if you choose right. For this reason I've even considered a 9900k, but that would run the price up a LOT more than 30 dollars. Id be looking at an additional 250 dollars. I might even wait until zen 2 plus next year, im just weighing my options now.

It's $30 that doesnt guarantee binning either, Gamers Nexus for example has a 3800X even worse than their 3700X. 

[maizenblue]

54 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Even shorter timings then, CL16 is readily available if not even low tRP/tRCD ones (say CL 18 kits are usually 18-22-22, CL16 are 16-19-19, more expensive ones could be 16-18-18 or 16-16-16)

 

It's $30 that doesnt guarantee binning either, Gamers Nexus for example has a 3800X even worse than their 3700X. 

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820232880?Item=N82E16820232880&nm_mc=AFC-RAN-COM&cm_mmc=AFC-RAN-COM&utm_medium=affiliates&utm_source=afc-PCPartPicker&AFFID=2558510&AFFNAME=PCPartPicker&ACRID=1&ASID=https%3a%2f%2fpcpartpicker.com%2fproduct%2fjBZzK8%2fgskill-ripjaws-v-16-gb-2-x-8-gb-ddr4-3600-memory-f4-3600c16d-16gvkc&ranMID=44583&ranEAID=2558510&ranSiteID=8BacdVP0GFs-wJQQ9AUDjxGBKwu0odsWkg

 

That's cl 16 and what I was looking at.

[maizenblue]

Whats with noctuas poop color scheme? Just seems like they picked colors that would least match with most builds.  

 

Not a big deal, but just seems odd to me. 

[geo3]

2 minutes ago, maizenblue said:

Whats with noctuas poop color scheme? Just seems like they picked colors that would least match with most builds.  

 

Not a big deal, but just seems odd to me. 

They have black versions of stuff too. Not everything though.

[Conza]

@maizenblue You do you, if you're set on a 3800X, there's nothing I can say to change your mind to getting the 3700X instead.

 

However, for anyone else reading this, I have to concur with the arguments from Mateyy, Jurrunio, GeLi and Vejnemojnen. If it's already purchased, it's not horrible, it's just less value, the $30 is buying you the number "8" in my opinion.

 

Using Vejnemojnen's Techspot reference, in the article it gives the Silicon Lottery numbers, according to what they found, you're basically guaranteed to get 150Mhz on average, 4.05vs 4.2 @ 100%, 4.15 vs 4.3 @ The top ~20%. So what does the 150Mhz gain you in performance? At 1080p, the lowest realistic resolution anyone should be running, 1FPS For Assassin's Creed Odyssey, 1FPS in BF V (2FPS on 1% lows), 1FPS on The Division 2, don't see much reason of listing others, no performance improvement. You don't even get a better cooler, not that you're using that anyway since as you noted an after market solution has a number of superior options.

 

Whether it's the motherboard, cpu cooler, case, memory, more storage or storage speed, a cooler/quieter GPU of the same chip, psu or even just an extra fan, your $30 is better off being allocated elsewhere, even if it's just staying in your pocket.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the 3800X... Except AMD made the 3700X as well, and it's 99.9% as much real world performance for 15% more money, I could never recommend that. Yes, it's not 15% more in the total cost of the build, yes at say $3000 it's 1% more performance, but it's just a waste of money to buy it over the 3700X in almost any situation I can think of. My 2 cents.

[geo3]

1 hour ago, Conza said:

1FPS For Assassin's Creed Odyssey, 1FPS in BF V (2FPS on 1% lows), 1FPS on The Division 2,

Is that avg or 1%? If it is avg what is the 1% difference?  Are those games GPU bound? Will the OP even be playing those games? 

[Conza]

12 minutes ago, geo3 said:

Is that avg or 1%? If it is avg what is the 1% difference?  Are those games GPU bound? Will the OP even be playing those games? 

I obviously can't answer if the OP will play those games, even if he intends to. It's just 3 games from their site that showed almost no performance difference.

 

Are they GPU bound? Versus being CPU limited/bound? Looking again at the article, I can't tell what GPU they're using at a glance again, it could be a low end GPU but I am doubtful.

 

As in the quote, they're average, indicated by the BF V improvement where I mentioned the 1% low was 2FPS higher.

 

I stand by what I said above, 3800X is perfectly fine, no one should have FOMO for purchasing it over the 3700X, it is technically better, but it is so so so marginally so, it doesn't make sense as a product at the price it is at, possibly no matter what the price as long as the 3700X exists at a lower price, only at the same price or lower would you buy a 3800X (for example, used if someone were selling it).

[ZephCloud]

My cooler master masterliquid ml240r rgb fix in the am4 socket without me needing to change the bracket...so it's not all for intel..xD

[maizenblue]

4 hours ago, Conza said:

@maizenblue You do you, if you're set on a 3800X, there's nothing I can say to change your mind to getting the 3700X instead.

 

However, for anyone else reading this, I have to concur with the arguments from Mateyy, Jurrunio, GeLi and Vejnemojnen. If it's already purchased, it's not horrible, it's just less value, the $30 is buying you the number "8" in my opinion.

 

Using Vejnemojnen's Techspot reference, in the article it gives the Silicon Lottery numbers, according to what they found, you're basically guaranteed to get 150Mhz on average, 4.05vs 4.2 @ 100%, 4.15 vs 4.3 @ The top ~20%. So what does the 150Mhz gain you in performance? At 1080p, the lowest realistic resolution anyone should be running, 1FPS For Assassin's Creed Odyssey, 1FPS in BF V (2FPS on 1% lows), 1FPS on The Division 2, don't see much reason of listing others, no performance improvement. You don't even get a better cooler, not that you're using that anyway since as you noted an after market solution has a number of superior options.

 

Whether it's the motherboard, cpu cooler, case, memory, more storage or storage speed, a cooler/quieter GPU of the same chip, psu or even just an extra fan, your $30 is better off being allocated elsewhere, even if it's just staying in your pocket.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with the 3800X... Except AMD made the 3700X as well, and it's 99.9% as much real world performance for 15% more money, I could never recommend that. Yes, it's not 15% more in the total cost of the build, yes at say $3000 it's 1% more performance, but it's just a waste of money to buy it over the 3700X in almost any situation I can think of. My 2 cents.

Well this is what I don't understand. A lot of people spend a LOT of time and money OCing CPUs. They buy binned chips, they build custom water loops, extra fans, fancy thermal paste and spend hours upon hours messing with settings and running tests, etc. What do they normally get for all that? Maybe 200mhz squeezed out of it and 2 fps in games?

 

I do get your point. I just see paying an extra 30 for a 3800x as being less silly then going through all THAT. That's why I've never even bothered OCing my current CPU. I get that some people derive enjoyment from doing it and its kind of a hobby.

[WoodenMarker]

On 10/12/2019 at 1:10 PM, maizenblue said:

The D15 is considered the higher end cooler running one right? 

Yes, the NH-D15 performs better. 

What features are you looking for in a cooler? What case and ram are you using?

Where are you shopping / located? Budget?

23 hours ago, maizenblue said:

What do they normally get for all that?

Usually bragging rights and satisfaction for their hobby. 

 

Moved to Air Cooling.