5700XT vs 2070 vs 2070S

[althsus]

Hello LTT forum users!

I'm finally going to build my first gaming PC and with the current feud between AMD and Nvidia, there are lots of graphics cards to choose from and different price point and I need help!. I will be gaming on a 144hz monitor with freesync 2 (if that matters anymore with nvidia cards being freesync compatible).I normally choose competitive graphics settings as I do like a nice high fps! I will be playing Apex Legends, CSGO, Overwatch, Monster Hunter World for now but am looking to try new games such as COD MW2 and others..

I would prefer paying a premium to choose a high end model of a graphics card as this is my first build. At my current budget I'm looking at the Radeon 5700XT, RTX 2070 and the RTX 2070 Super.

I've sort of narrowed down to a few options.

ASUS Strix 5700XT OC - $585

EVGA RTX 2070 XC Ultra - $485

EVGA RTX 2070 Super XC Ultra - $635

MSI RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio - $665

 

The RTX 2070 non super cards comes in at the cheapest at $110 cheaper than its Super variant. Then the ASUS Strix 5700XT OC comes in at 2nd cheapest, followed by the most expensive RTX 2070 Super cards. All of these cards are within my budget but what would be the most worth it for performance? I heard Nvidia recently released a driver update that boosts a lot of games performance by about 10-15% which I haven't found any benchmarks of.

The problem I have with the ASUS 5700XT OC is that its much more expensive ($100 more) than the Sapphire Pulse card and is entering the RTX 2070 Super card price territory. I would want it to OC better and perform better than the Pulse. I'm going to be a bit greedy because I want my first build to look great so I do want to get a premium high end card so Sapphire Pulse won't cut it for me.

Thanks in advance!

 

Edit: Won't be using ray-tracing so raw performance is best. Also will be playing at 144Hz 1440P resolution.

Does anyone know if I can use freesync 2 supported features with Nvidia cards? Like HDR and other stuff?

 

Edit 2: Realised I'm bad at math and got the price of the 2070 non super wrong. Its even cheaper, $140-$170 cheaper than its super variant depending on the model.

[AngryBeaver]

6 minutes ago, althsus said:

Hello LTT forum users!

I'm finally going to build my first gaming PC and with the current feud between AMD and Nvidia, there are lots of graphics cards to choose from and different price point and I need help!. I will be gaming on a 144hz monitor with freesync 2 (if that matters anymore with nvidia cards being freesync compatible).I normally choose competitive graphics settings as I do like a nice high fps! I will be playing Apex Legends, CSGO, Overwatch, Monster Hunter World for now but am looking to try new games such as COD MW2 and others..

I would prefer paying a premium to choose a high end model of a graphics card as this is my first build. At my current budget I'm looking at the Radeon 5700XT, RTX 2070 and the RTX 2070 Super.

I've sort of narrowed down to a few options.

ASUS Strix 5700XT OC - $585

EVGA RTX 2070 XC Ultra - $520

EVGA RTX 2070 FTW3 Gaming - $540

EVGA RTX 2070 Super XC Ultra - $635

EVGA RTX 2070 Super FTW3 Gaming - $665 (I do like EVGA cards and the company!)

MSI RTX 2070 Super Gaming X Trio - $665

 

The RTX 2070 non super cards comes in at the cheapest at $110 cheaper than its Super variant. Then the ASUS Strix 5700XT OC comes in at 2nd cheapest, followed by the most expensive RTX 2070 Super cards. All of these cards are within my budget but what would be the most worth it for performance? I heard Nvidia recently released a driver update that boosts a lot of games performance by about 10-15% which I haven't found any benchmarks of.

The problem I have with the ASUS 5700XT OC is that its much more expensive ($100 more) than the Sapphire Pulse card and is entering the RTX 2070 Super card price territory. I would want it to OC better and perform better than the Pulse. I'm going to be a bit greedy because I want my first build to look great so I do want to get a premium high end card so Sapphire Pulse won't cut it for me.

Thanks in advance!

 

Looking at the prices you have listed... I think the Super XC Ultra is the best bet.

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[althsus]

6 minutes ago, AngryBeaver said:

Looking at the prices you have listed... I think the Super XC Ultra is the best bet.

Which XC Ultra would be talking about? The 2070 or 2070 Super version?

[AngryBeaver]

Just now, althsus said:

Which XC Ultra would be talking about? The 2070 or 2070 Super version?

The super

[Princess Luna]

13 minutes ago, althsus said:

I normally choose competitive graphics settings as I do like a nice high fps! I will be playing Apex Legends, CSGO, Overwatch, Monster Hunter World for now but am looking to try new games such as COD MW2 and others..

Realistically speaking all those games and in the settings you stated you could even go with the cheapest RTX 2070 from the bunch... the RX5700XT if you really want to spend more and is fine with it.

[meenmeen1103]

I didn't see resolutions listed but most of those games at 1080p won't even benefit much from the better GPU's out of that bunch. If you can comfortably afford the xc super, you should get a pretty decent service life out of it, and/or ability to turn game settings up for eye candy

[althsus]

Just now, AngryBeaver said:

The super

I see. I forgot to mention that I won't be using ray-tracing so I'm looking for raw performance power. Would the 2070S and its $35 premium over the 5700XT perform better?

 

4 minutes ago, meenmeen1103 said:

I didn't see resolutions listed but most of those games at 1080p won't even benefit much from the better GPU's out of that bunch. If you can comfortably afford the xc super, you should get a pretty decent service life out of it, and/or ability to turn game settings up for eye candy

Sorry. I will be playing at 1440p WQHD resolution. I tweak my settings until I can get around around 150fps average while maximizing graphics quality.

[KaitouX]

3 hours ago, althsus said:

ASUS Strix 5700XT OC - $585

 

The problem I have with the ASUS 5700XT OC is that its much more expensive ($100 more) than the Sapphire Pulse card and is entering the RTX 2070 Super card price territory. I would want it to OC better and perform better than the Pulse. I'm going to be a bit greedy because I want my first build to look great so I do want to get a premium high end card so Sapphire Pulse won't cut it for me.

Thanks in advance!

If you want a premium 5700XT, then get the Red Devil. The Strix is more expensive, hotter at the same noise level(or louder at the same temperature) while being basically tied in performance even when considering max OC, plus they look kinda similar.

[althsus]

6 hours ago, AngryBeaver said:

Looking at the prices you have listed... I think the Super XC Ultra is the best bet.

Sorry I got the prices for the 2070 cards wrong. The 2070 is about $150 cheaper than its Super version? Would the 2070 Super still be the better buy?

[xg32]

1 hour ago, althsus said:

Sorry I got the prices for the 2070 cards wrong. The 2070 is about $150 cheaper than its Super version? Would the 2070 Super still be the better buy?

I'd get the cheapest evga super model you can find, anything extra pushes it toward 2080S levels, and they just had a sale on the 2080S models...

[Lindstroem]

I would also get the cheapest 2070S with good thermals/noise levels. The higher end XT's are great but only gives ~2% performance gain from stock and dont overclock well. 

 

I really wanted a 5700XT but due to limited supply and prices for AIB's being pushed up, I was looking at an average ~15% performance gain (including a 7-8% OC) with the 2070S vs 5700 XT at around 15% higher cost. So basically 2080 performance when overclocked (Which i take is very much possible with still good noise levels when utilizing a decent 2070S partnercard. In Sweden i was looking at 540 EUR for Pulse and 625 EUR for 2070S Gaming OC. So I went with the 2070S Gaming OC.

 

To pre-emt any comments on 5700XT/2070S performance difference, I am referring to 5700XT overclocked to safe low-noise levels vs 2070S overclocked to safe low-noise levels. 5700XT excel in other titles which brings it on par/slightly better than the 2070S, but all games averaged DX11/DX12 on 1440p resolution including OC, around +15% was the number I have found to hold quite true across many reviews. With that said, the 5700XT is an awesome card and as long as prices are +20% lower for a good 5700XT Partner card vs 2070S, that would be the most value oriented buy, if not go with 2070S if you find a good deal

[Epimetheus]

I think the best choice would be the rtx 2070 non super. The jump to the 5700 xt and 2070 Super is not worth 100 bucks more in my opinion

[althsus]

1 hour ago, xg32 said:

I'd get the cheapest evga super model you can find, anything extra pushes it toward 2080S levels, and they just had a sale on the 2080S models...

The cheapest EVGA model I would be getting would probably still be the XC Ultra as the normal XC only costs around $5~10 less. So even with 2070 Super model costing $150 more than the 2070 non super, the performance increase would still make the Super model the better buy?

[althsus]

39 minutes ago, Lindstroem said:

I would also get the cheapest 2070S with good thermals/noise levels. The higher end XT's are great but only gives ~2% performance gain from stock and dont overclock well. 

 

I really wanted a 5700XT but due to limited supply and prices for AIB's being pushed up, I was looking at an average ~15% performance gain (including a 7-8% OC) with the 2070S vs 5700 XT at around 15% higher cost. So basically 2080 performance when overclocked (Which i take is very much possible with still good noise levels when utilizing a decent 2070S partnercard. In Sweden i was looking at 540 EUR for Pulse and 625 EUR for 2070S Gaming OC. So I went with the 2070S Gaming OC.

 

To pre-emt any comments on 5700XT/2070S performance difference, I am referring to 5700XT overclocked to safe low-noise levels vs 2070S overclocked to safe low-noise levels. 5700XT excel in other titles which brings it on par/slightly better than the 2070S, but all games averaged DX11/DX12 on 1440p resolution including OC, around +15% was the number I have found to hold quite true across many reviews. With that said, the 5700XT is an awesome card and as long as prices are +20% lower for a good 5700XT Partner card vs 2070S, that would be the most value oriented buy, if not go with 2070S if you find a good deal

Hi thanks for your input. Would you happen to know the performance difference between a normal 2070 and 2070S and the 5700XT? As the normal 2070 xc ultra is $100 cheaper than the asus strix 5700xt and $150 cheaper then the 2070 super xc ultra. I can spend the extra $150 but if the performance isn't really worth $150 then... I can understand why the 2070 Super would be a better buy than a 5700XT as it is $50 more but $150 more for Super performance is kinda iffy since I don't know exactly how powerful either of them are. Honestly, from my perspective, if I can achieve stable 144+fps average on 1440p at competitive settings in Apex Legends with the 2070, I'd probably say I'll just get the 2070 and save the $150 but if I can't get stable 144+fps average, then I wouldn't mind spending more to try achieve that.

[Lindstroem]

1 hour ago, althsus said:

Hi thanks for your input. Would you happen to know the performance difference between a normal 2070 and 2070S and the 5700XT? As the normal 2070 xc ultra is $100 cheaper than the asus strix 5700xt and $150 cheaper then the 2070 super xc ultra. I can spend the extra $150 but if the performance isn't really worth $150 then... I can understand why the 2070 Super would be a better buy than a 5700XT as it is $50 more but $150 more for Super performance is kinda iffy since I don't know exactly how powerful either of them are. Honestly, from my perspective, if I can achieve stable 144+fps average on 1440p at competitive settings in Apex Legends with the 2070, I'd probably say I'll just get the 2070 and save the $150 but if I can't get stable 144+fps average, then I wouldn't mind spending more to try achieve that.

The 2070 Super is around +13% faster in DX11 and +15% faster in DX12 than the 2070 when looking at an average over a multitude of titles in 1440p. Sweclockers (swedish site so use translate if you wanna read the text, but the graphs are the important thing: https://www.sweclockers.com/test/27800-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2060-super-och-rtx-2070-super/7#content)

 

Provided the large cost difference the 2070 non-super might be good enough for you. I actually was able to buy a brand new 2070 Rog Strix OC for 350 EUR from a store (the store was moving), but I sold that for 450 EUR and bought a 2070S instead. Poor value choice but first new computer in 6years so I had the budget so for me it was more valuable to spend the extra money.