Future proof Motherboard for i7 8700 music production!

[5x5]

2 minutes ago, Velcade said:

 

I mean...

I read B350 - my mistake on that - but I explicitly told him he needs B360 or B365 minimum and works best on Z-series boards so idk what the problem is.

[Samay Kundu]

There has another Point I wanna go with Intel is because the iGPU.. right now I don't have money for a decent gpu.. As I won't do gaming I think regular tasks would be done with iGPU.. 

 And for cheaper option I think Ryzen 5 3600 with a low end GPU wouldn't be worth it! 

That's Why I choose i7... 

Because I think i7 always has the longevity than Ryzen! 

 

Please correct me if I'm wrong! 

[Princess Luna]

5 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Does Premiere Pro really prefer specifically Intel? Or is it just high single core perf, which Intel has traditionally had over Ryzen? 

The main thing with Premiere Pro is that when you're editing it, all the tools you the application uses are "single core" and you use multiple of tools making it "multi-threaded" but only having the multi-threaded doesn't help as it will hinder the performance of said tools for their dependency on single core (and a code that likes high frequencies).

 

Another major difference is since these tools are single core but then must result in the whole project Intel's hyper low latency Ring Bus also aids for the "snappier" feeling and performance as a whole.

 

All of this is also disregarding how you can use the iGPU for QuickSync hardware acceleration (which is stackable with CUDA/OpenCL) to improve exporting, rendering and so on... the i7 8700K at 5ghz will perform on pair with the TR1950X when rendering on Premiere Pro when you have iGPU QuickSync hardware acceleration enable.

 

This happens with After Effects, Photoshop and even Adobe Acrobat...

 

So it really isn't trying to be fanboy for Intel and recommend it when "Zen 2 best workstation CPUs evah" hype train is every where... it's just about the right hardware for the right software.

[Velcade]

1 minute ago, Samay Kundu said:

There has another Point I wanna go with Intel is because the iGPU.. right now I don't have money for a decent gpu.. As I won't do gaming I think regular tasks would be done with iGPU.. 

 And for cheaper option I think Ryzen 5 3600 with a low end GPU wouldn't be worth it! 

That's Why I choose i7... 

Because I think i7 always has the longevity than Ryzen! 

 

Please correct me if I'm wrong! 

What's your budget?  If you want it strictly for music production let us help build out a system for you.

[5x5]

1 minute ago, Samay Kundu said:

There has another Point I wanna go with Intel is because the iGPU.. right now I don't have money for a decent gpu.. As I won't do gaming I think regular tasks would be done with iGPU.. 

 And for cheaper option I think Ryzen 5 3600 with a low end GPU wouldn't be worth it! 

That's Why I choose i7... 

Because I think i7 always has the longevity than Ryzen! 

 

Please correct me if I'm wrong! 

the intel gpu is extremely slow so even a used 20$ gpu would be vastly superior. if longevity is what you want, get a 3700X. its better in every way possible

[thinwalrus]

4 minutes ago, Samay Kundu said:

There has another Point I wanna go with Intel is because the iGPU.. right now I don't have money for a decent gpu.. As I won't do gaming I think regular tasks would be done with iGPU.. 

 And for cheaper option I think Ryzen 5 3600 with a low end GPU wouldn't be worth it! 

That's Why I choose i7... 

Because I think i7 always has the longevity than Ryzen! 

 

Please correct me if I'm wrong! 

Well you can get a gpu with that 100$. Even with Intel you should be better off with 8400/9400 and an rx570/gtx1060 than only 8700 in Premiere.

[Samay Kundu]

5 minutes ago, Velcade said:

What's your budget?  If you want it strictly for music production let us help build out a system for you.

My budget for the cpu + mobo is $450 ( converted to Indian currency which is almost around 33k in India..) 

[Samay Kundu]

8 minutes ago, thinwalrus said:

Well you can get a gpu with that 100$. Even with Intel you should be better off with 8400/9400 and an rx570/gtx1060 than only 8700 in Premiere.

No no.. With iGPU I won't do anything but regular tasks... 

After 3-4months I'll add 1060/1660 for premiere Pro..! 

 

So then i7 8700 would be good choice!? 

[Samay Kundu]

9 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

the intel gpu is extremely slow so even a used 20$ gpu would be vastly superior. if longevity is what you want, get a 3700X. its better in every way possible

In my country 3700x and i7 9700k is almost same.. Just 2-3k extra for i7! 

[Zando_]

16 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

The main thing with Premiere Pro is that when you're editing it, all the tools you the application uses are "single core" and you use multiple of tools making it "multi-threaded" but only having the multi-threaded doesn't help as it will hinder the performance of said tools for their dependency on single core (and a code that likes high frequencies).

 

Another major difference is since these tools are single core but then must result in the whole project Intel's hyper low latency Ring Bus also aids for the "snappier" feeling and performance as a whole.

 

All of this is also disregarding how you can use the iGPU for QuickSync hardware acceleration (which is stackable with CUDA/OpenCL) to improve exporting, rendering and so on... the i7 8700K at 5ghz will perform on pair with the TR1950X when rendering on Premiere Pro when you have iGPU QuickSync hardware acceleration enable.

 

This happens with After Effects, Photoshop and even Adobe Acrobat...

 

So it really isn't trying to be fanboy for Intel and recommend it when "Zen 2 best workstation CPUs evah" hype train is every where... it's just about the right hardware for the right software.

Yeah, I didn't know how much of a difference QuickSync made, haven't looked into it much, that's why I asked. AMD is better on the single core, but I don't think they're as low latency, and no quicksync support. 

[Samay Kundu]

16 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

The main thing with Premiere Pro is that when you're editing it, all the tools you the application uses are "single core" and you use multiple of tools making it "multi-threaded" but only having the multi-threaded doesn't help as it will hinder the performance of said tools for their dependency on single core (and a code that likes high frequencies).

 

Another major difference is since these tools are single core but then must result in the whole project Intel's hyper low latency Ring Bus also aids for the "snappier" feeling and performance as a whole.

 

All of this is also disregarding how you can use the iGPU for QuickSync hardware acceleration (which is stackable with CUDA/OpenCL) to improve exporting, rendering and so on... the i7 8700K at 5ghz will perform on pair with the TR1950X when rendering on Premiere Pro when you have iGPU QuickSync hardware acceleration enable.

 

This happens with After Effects, Photoshop and even Adobe Acrobat...

 

So it really isn't trying to be fanboy for Intel and recommend it when "Zen 2 best workstation CPUs evah" hype train is every where... it's just about the right hardware for the right software.

Please check my total build.. And suggest me something if I need.. 

 

Cpu: i7 8700

Motherboard : Asus TUF B365m plus gaming

Ram : Corsai Vengeance Lpx 3000mhz c16 8GBx2 (I've already bought this) 

Storage 1: Crucial p1 500gb / Intel 660p 512gb

*will add 970 evo plus in future.. 

Storage 2: Seagate 1tb 7200rpm just for restore movies..

Portable Seagate 2tb back up.. 

PSU : Masterwatt 550 semi modular or Corsair CX550 non modular.. 

Case : I already Have Master 590 iii

UPS : APC 600VA..

 

will add a decent GPU and Hyper 212 later.. 

 

please check this out.. And suggest me if anything would be better at same price range..! 

 

[Princess Luna]

3 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

AMD is better on the single core, but I don't think they're as low latency, and no quicksync support. 

It is true the Zen 2 IPC edges out Coffee Lake by a small margin, but the issue with Zen 2 is the chiplet design powered by Infinity Fabric, even on current state where you can overclock its frequency Ring Bus represents a muuuuuchhh lower lantency.

 

This isn't just beneficial to software coded to take advantage of it like Adobe does a lot, it's also one of the current main reasons why Intel is still faster in gaming at the end of the day.

 

Also QuickSync is a godsend for productivity on it, there are a few quality issues for streaming with it when using solely the iGPU to encode but if you're just exporting and rendering using it to assist the CPU and GPU the results are pristine.

[Princess Luna]

14 minutes ago, Samay Kundu said:

Storage 1: Crucial p1 500gb / Intel 660p 512gb

*will add 970 evo plus in future.. 

No need for the 970 Evo+ as it is an overpriced SSD, for the money either the P1 or 660p will do just fine... if you want further reliability and TLC memory however I highly recommend checking the Sabrent Rocket or the HP EX950.

 

14 minutes ago, Samay Kundu said:

PSU : Masterwatt 550 semi modular or Corsair CX550 non modular.

The CX550 Grey Label is more reliable.

 

That aside the build is perfectly solid for what you'll do.

[5x5]

2 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

No need for the 970 Evo+ as it is an overpriced SSD, for the money either the P1 or 660p will do just fine... if you want further reliability and TLC memory however I highly recommend checking the Sabrent Rocket or the HP EX950.

 

The CX550 Green Label is more reliable.

 

That aside the build is perfectly solid for what you'll do.

CX Green?! What? No. CX Grey is good. CX Green is horrible.

[5x5]

7 minutes ago, Samay Kundu said:

Please check my total build.. And suggest me something if I need.. 

 

Cpu: i7 8700

Motherboard : Asus TUF B365m plus gaming

Ram : Corsai Vengeance Lpx 3000mhz c16 8GBx2 (I've already bought this) 

Storage 1: Crucial p1 500gb / Intel 660p 512gb

*will add 970 evo plus in future.. 

Storage 2: Seagate 1tb 7200rpm just for restore movies..

Portable Seagate 2tb back up.. 

PSU : Masterwatt 550 semi modular or Corsair CX550 non modular.. 

Case : I already Have Master 590 iii

UPS : APC 600VA..

 

will add a decent GPU and Hyper 212 later.. 

 

please check this out.. And suggest me if anything would be better at same price range..! 

 

Get a Cooler Master MWE Gold or Corsair RMx if you want the best longevity for the price - don't cheap out on the power supply. Also, the Intel 660p is a slow and mediocre SSD and I'd suggest getting a better one like a Samsung EVO or Crucial NVMe drive.

 

Also -get a WD Red drive - MUCH more reliable than the Seagates

[Samay Kundu]

2 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

No need for the 970 Evo+ as it is an overpriced SSD, for the money either the P1 or 660p will do just fine... if you want further reliability and TLC memory however I highly recommend checking the Sabrent Rocket or the HP EX950.

 

The CX550 Green Label is more reliable.

 

That aside the build is perfectly solid for what you'll do.

Thanks a lot.. 

That's mean I don't have to worry about 4-5years with this build.. ? 

Do you have any better motherboard recommendation at this price? 

[Samay Kundu]

1 minute ago, 5x5 said:

Get a Cooler Master MWE Gold or Corsair RMx if you want the best longevity for the price - don't cheap out on the power supply. Also, the Intel 660p is a slow and mediocre SSD and I'd suggest getting a better one like a Samsung EVO or Crucial NVMe drive.

 

Also -get a WD Red drive - MUCH more reliable than the Seagates

Okay I would try as RM series are more expensive.. And Crucial p1 I think the one you're saying..? And for the HDD I already bought Seagate on Prime Day sale.. No problem next time I'll get an WD red..! 

[Princess Luna]

2 minutes ago, Samay Kundu said:

Thanks a lot.. 

That's mean I don't have to worry about 4-5years with this build.. ? 

Do you have any better motherboard recommendation at this price? 

It would be helpful to know where you're live, but there's nothing wrong with that motherboard.

 

A side note I did meant to say "Grey" my bad... doing a lot at once we end up confusing here and there.

 

You're welcome!

[Princess Luna]

Just now, Samay Kundu said:

Okay I would try as RM series are more expensive.. And Crucial p1 I think the one you're saying..? And for the HDD I already bought Seagate on Prime Day sale.. No problem next time I'll get an WD red..! 

There is nothing to worry, Seagate has very reliable drives as well, nowadays there's not much difference from WD and Seagate on reliability as the technology advanced to a point it's fairly "six for half a dozen"

[Samay Kundu]

1 minute ago, Princess Luna said:

There is nothing to worry, Seagate has very reliable drives as well, nowadays there's not much difference from WD and Seagate on reliability as the technology advanced to a point it's fairly "six for half a dozen"

 I'm just asking.. On Userbenchmark i5 9600k is more faster than i7 8700! 

Does it matter on real time stock performance? 

[Princess Luna]

12 minutes ago, Samay Kundu said:

 I'm just asking.. On Userbenchmark i5 9600k is more faster than i7 8700! 

Does it matter on real time stock performance? 

The i7 8700 rapes the i5 9600K.

 

Userbenchmark is not a reliable tool to check this kind of information.

 

The i7 8700 has more cache and HT and clocks the same to the 9600K at stock.

[seagate_surfer]

Adding a little more to the subject; if you are looking for an HDD that has a little more resistance then look in the specifications for a data called "power-on hours", basically the consumer HDDs are made to work 8 hours a day 5 days a week, but there are others that will be able to stay on 24 hours a day, 365 days a year as the BarraCuda Pro for example. If the "power-on hours" says 8760 (total hours in one year) then it is most likely that that HDD resists more than one normal HDD that does not have that characteristic.