Future proof Motherboard for i7 8700 music production!

[Samay Kundu]

Hello Everyone.. 

I wanna build my first pc for music production on software like Cubase and Premiere Pro video editing.. 

I'm confused to choose a cpu+mobo which would be more future proof.. 

 

My choices are.. 

Cpu : i7 8700 / Ryzen 5 3600

Gpu : 1060/1660 (because I won't do gaming) 

Mobo : Asus TUF B365m plus gaming / Gigabyte B450 Aorus Elite.. 

 

I already bought 3000mhz c16 Corsair Vengeance 16GB Ram.. 

Which one should I go with.. Please help me out! 

[Princess Luna]

Given your software of usage likes Intel better I believe the better performer would be the i7 8700, but the R5 3600 won't be all that significantly behind and should be cheaper.

 

Motherboard wise it doesn't matter, and future proof is not really a thing, if you were to obsess on it the B450 is more "future proof" as it will support more AMD processor generations as the B365 is already end of life with 9th gen being the last supported.

 

Memory is fine for either builds, graphics card the GTX 1060 suffices for the purpose of hardware acceleration.

[thinwalrus]

Asus x570 tuf or Gigabyte x570 Aorus Elite could be considered future proof. Cheaper b450-boards wont handle 16-core cpu:s well.

[5x5]

The 8700 isn't compatible with those boards - it needs a Z370 or, preferably, Z390 board and you have no real upgrade path so futureproofing with Intel is impossible.

 

If you want to upgrade later, look into a Ryzen 7 3700X and a B450 Tomahawk (MAX)

[Samay Kundu]

Well the it would be out of my budget! 

Then how would be i7 with that motherboard.? 

Can I use that mobo for all core 4.3 turbo boost with a good cooler? 

[Samay Kundu]

1 minute ago, 5x5 said:

The 8700 isn't compatible with those boards - it needs a Z370 or, preferably, Z390 board and you have no real upgrade path so futureproofing with Intel is impossible.

 

If you want to upgrade later, look into a Ryzen 7 3700X and a B450 Tomahawk (MAX)

Actually I don't want to upgrade before 3years .. And later I'll upgrade the whole system..! 

 

So any B series mobo would be bad for i7 8700 non k????? 

[5x5]

Just now, Samay Kundu said:

Actually I don't want to upgrade before 3years .. And later I'll upgrade the whole system..! 

 

So any B series mobo would be bad for i7 8700 non k????? 

B350/B450/B550 is AM4 (AMD socket)

 

Intel CPUs use 1151 - B360 or B365 but some B-series boards can't power the 8700 well and it defaults to a 65W limit making it much slower than the R5 3600

[Princess Luna]

3 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

The 8700 isn't compatible with those boards - it needs a Z370 or, preferably, Z390 board

Uh? no, the B365 works just fine with the i7 8700.... it is the second revision of the B360 chipset made to natively support 9th gen.

 

1 minute ago, Samay Kundu said:

So any B series mobo would be bad for i7 8700 non k????? 

You can use it just fine, only draw back I can think of is that memory frequency is locked to a maximum of 2666mhz.

[Vishera]

If you want future proofing then go with AMD,the next Intel CPUs will probably require a new socket.

[Samay Kundu]

7 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

Given your software of usage likes Intel better I believe the better performer would be the i7 8700, but the R5 3600 won't be all that significantly behind and should be cheaper.

 

Motherboard wise it doesn't matter, and future proof is not really a thing, if you were to obsess on it the B450 is more "future proof" as it will support more AMD processor generations as the B365 is already end of life with 9th gen being the last supported.

 

Memory is fine for either builds, graphics card the GTX 1060 suffices for the purpose of hardware acceleration.

Yes i7 8700 is my personal choice cause it has better real time speed for music production.. 

I don't to upgrade on this same motherboard.. 

Just tell me one thing can I use 8700+B365 for 4years at least? 

[Mr.Humble]

Of the ones you listed it doesn't matter. Right now "future proof" motherboards are AMD X570 due to PCIe 4.0

Just now, 5x5 said:

B550

That doesn't exist yet

1 minute ago, 5x5 said:

Intel CPUs use 1151 - B360 or B365 but some B-series boards can't power the 8700 well

that seems like BS - a lot of prebuilts have had that combo

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, 5x5 said:

boards can't power the 8700 well and it defaults to a 65W limit making it much slower than the R5 3600

Lol omg 5x5 wait a second, you're writing a lot of nonsense on this thread, the TDP lock down limit only happened on a few terrible prebuilds using the H310M chipset instead, the B365M Tuf would be fine to sustain the 4.3ghz all cores boost.

[Velcade]

4 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

The 8700 isn't compatible with those boards -

Not true.  The 8700 will work with the B365M board.

 

3 minutes ago, Samay Kundu said:

So any B series mobo would be bad for i7 8700 non k????? 

B365 / H370 / Z370 any of those will work.

[5x5]

Just now, Samay Kundu said:

Yes i7 8700 is my personal choice cause it has better real time speed for music production.. 

I don't to upgrade on this same motherboard.. 

Just tell me one thing can I use 8700+B365 for 4years at least? 

The 8700 is already 2 years old so....your choice. I would personally buy a 3700X

[Mr.Humble]

Just now, Samay Kundu said:

Just tell me one thing can I use 8700+B365 for 4years at least? 

Yes you can.

[5x5]

2 minutes ago, Mr.Humble said:

Of the ones you listed it doesn't matter. Right now "future proof" motherboards are AMD X570 due to PCIe 4.0

That doesn't exist yet

that seems like BS - a lot of prebuilts have had that combo

https://www.techpowerup.com/256547/asmedia-sourced-amd-b550-a520-chipset-motherboards-arrive-in-2020

 

It does

2 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

Lol omg 5x5 wait a second, you're writing a lot of nonsense on this thread, the TDP lock down limit only happened on a few terrible prebuilds using the H310M chipset instead, the B365M Tuf would be fine to sustain the 4.3ghz all cores boost.

It actually happens on a number of B360 boards as well - by default, the 8700 can only boost to 4.3 once "unlocked" to 105W - the limit is a BIOS one, not always on the VRMs.

 

2 minutes ago, Velcade said:

Not true.  The 8700 will work with the B365M board.

 

B365 / H370 / Z370 any of those will work.

Read again

[Princess Luna]

1 minute ago, Samay Kundu said:

Just tell me one thing can I use 8700+B365 for 4years at least? 

Of course the i7 8700 is still one of the best hexacore processors on the market, it will be relevant for 4 years by all means... if you want it and you can afford it, please do go with it.

 

Only reason the R5 3600 is often preferable is because it's cheaper and not significantly behind but when you throw Adobe and some other specific software that prefers Ring Bus low latency then Intel can still be a senseful choice.

[Samay Kundu]

3 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

Uh? no, the B365 works just fine with the i7 8700.... it is the second revision of the B360 chipset made to natively support 9th gen.

 

You can use it just fine, only draw back I can think of is that memory frequency is locked to a maximum of 2666mhz.

I won't mind that.. Intel memory isn't a issue... 

Just tell me with this motherboard can I use all core 4.3ghz with Hyper 212 well?? 

For 4years at least.. As I won't do gaming.. Only music production strictly.. 

[5x5]

1 minute ago, Samay Kundu said:

I won't mind that.. Intel memory isn't a issue... 

Just tell me with this motherboard can I use all core 4.3ghz with Hyper 212 well?? 

For 4years at least.. As I won't do gaming.. Only music production strictly.. 

Asus B365-G Strix

[Velcade]

Just now, 5x5 said:

Asus B365-G Strix

How do you go from telling everyone the B365 chipset doesn't work with an 8700 to recommending one???  lmao 

[thinwalrus]

If 3600 is 100$ cheaper, I wouldnt even consider 8700. And like said before, if 8700 is in your budget range, 3700X could be the smarter buy.

[5x5]

Just now, Velcade said:

How do you go from telling everyone the B365 chipset doesn't work with an 8700 to recommending one???  lmao 

When exactly did I tell ANYONE that it doesn't work. Please, go back and point. it. out.

[Zando_]

17 minutes ago, Princess Luna said:

Given your software of usage likes Intel better I believe the better performer would be the i7 8700, but the R5 3600 won't be all that significantly behind and should be cheaper.

Does Premiere Pro really prefer specifically Intel? Or is it just high single core perf, which Intel has traditionally had over Ryzen? 

[Velcade]

3 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

When exactly did I tell ANYONE that it doesn't work. Please, go back and point. it. out.

I mean...

 

 

23 minutes ago, Samay Kundu said:

My choices are.. 

Cpu : i7 8700 / Ryzen 5 3600

Gpu : 1060/1660 (because I won't do gaming) 

Mobo : Asus TUF B365m plus gaming / Gigabyte B450 Aorus Elite.. 

16 minutes ago, 5x5 said:

The 8700 isn't compatible with those boards - it needs a Z370 or, preferably, Z390 board

[5x5]

Just now, Zando Bob said:

Does Premiere Pro really prefer specifically Intel? Or is it just high single core perf, which Intel has traditionally had over Ryzen? 

If the issue is premier, then AMD is actually faster there now cause it has higher IPC