Any Suggestions For My Upgrade?

[techtomato]

Think I finally boiled down to these parts (link), the prices marked $0.00 are the components I already have. If anyone has any suggestions I just want to say that my budget is $1500 AFTER tax (tax is a pain in the ass in British Columbia: 12%). Right now with all the price beats I've put together I've come to $1427.73 CAD after tax. Pretty comfortable with this price, but any suggestions/minor upgrades would be nice! Also it'd be super cool if I could get some pointers/tips for when I build my PC (haven't done a build in 4 years and I don't 100% trust my memory).

[dgsddfgdfhgs]

This part list is private.
 

[techtomato]

Just now, dgsddfgdfhgs said:

This part list is private.
 

......well, I'll fix that

 

[NickPickerWI]

Yeah, we can't see it.

 

Noticed that all new parts lists are made private after the PCPartPicker website update.

[techtomato]

Just now, NickPickerWI said:

Yeah, we can't see it.

 

Noticed that all new parts lists are made private after the PCPartPicker website update.

 

1 minute ago, dgsddfgdfhgs said:

This part list is private.
 

Alright should be good now

[Sorenson]

It looks good to me. I’m assuming your going for an aesthetic with the cable mod cables - so if you like the look of everything go for it. You can save a bit by going with an air cooler or cheaper MOBO, but if these rare part of the look you want then there’s no real reason to save a buck. I don’t see any issues with it .

[Shreyas1]

seems good, like said earlier, you could save money through an air cooler though

[NickPickerWI]

What was your last motherboard and CPU?

 

You may not need to spend the money for a new mobo.

 

Then again, you might want to just for the aesthetics.

[techtomato]

Just now, NickPickerWI said:

What was your last motherboard and CPU?

 

You may not need to spend the money for a new mobo.

 

Then again, you might want to just for the aesthetics.

i7-6700k and Maximus Hero VIII, definitely need to change mobo haha. I've been seeing Ryzen CPU's doing really well so I want to jump over to AMD

[NickPickerWI]

1 minute ago, techtomato said:

i7-6700k and Maximus Hero VIII, definitely need to change mobo haha. I've been seeing Ryzen CPU's doing really well so I want to jump over to AMD

Gotcha.

 

You have a good list.

 

Air coolers are 100% legit for less cost, noise, and hassle. But they don't look as nice.

[techtomato]

7 minutes ago, NickPickerWI said:

Gotcha.

 

You have a good list.

 

Air coolers are 100% legit for less cost, noise, and hassle. But they don't look as nice.

Agree that they don't look as nice, but I also think that since the H500 is not the most airflow-designed case air coolers might not be as effective? With water cooling maybe the thermal conductivity of water can somehow have an upper hand especially because the fans would be closer to the intake?? I could be completely wrong though

Edited July 31, 2019 by techtomato

[dizmo]

I'd get a cheaper motherboard, that's a bit excessive. Also sell your RAM, and used the money saved and money earned to buy a kit better suited to Ryzen.

I'd consider 32GB but that's dependent largely on how you use your PC.

I'd also take a look at X470 boards. If you can save even more money, you might be able to squeeze a 1TB SSD in there.

[NickPickerWI]

15 minutes ago, techtomato said:

Agree that they don't look as nice, but I also think that since the H500 is not the most airflow-designed case air coolers might not be as effective? With water cooling maybe the thermal conductivity of water can somehow have an upper hand especially because the fans would be closer to the intake?? I could be completely wrong though

That's not how thermodynamics work. Water coolers are still air coolers (the fans through the radiators). It would just take longer for a water cooler to hit max temperature. If airflow is an issue, it's an issue with both air and water cooling.

 

Look at the Fractal Design Define series, or other cases that have mesh fronts rather than a flat front, if you're looking for better airflow.

[NickPickerWI]

3 minutes ago, dizmo said:

I'd get a cheaper motherboard, that's a bit excessive. Also sell your RAM, and used the money saved and money earned to buy a kit better suited to Ryzen.

I'd consider 32GB but that's dependent largely on how you use your PC.

I'd also take a look at X470 boards. If you can save even more money, you might be able to squeeze a 1TB SSD in there.

I was going to suggest the RAM swap, but that's a maybe 6-7 FPS difference. 32GB is overkill for gaming, but to your point, we don't know OP's use case.

 

X470 would be great, but OP would need to update the BIOS. The Tomahawk has a bios flashback button, but I don't think other motherboards for X470 do, so then OP would need to get a cheap AM4 chip to update the BIOS or wait for AMD to send them a bootkit. They're switching from Intel.

[techtomato]

4 minutes ago, dizmo said:

I'd get a cheaper motherboard, that's a bit excessive. Also sell your RAM, and used the money saved and money earned to buy a kit better suited to Ryzen.

I'd consider 32GB but that's dependent largely on how you use your PC.

I'd also take a look at X470 boards. If you can save even more money, you might be able to squeeze a 1TB SSD in there.

How much do you think I can sell my RAM for? Looked on ebay just now and all the sold listing prices are all over the place. Also what would I gain from faster ram? I don't know very much about it and the ones I have right now seems to be fine...

I'm pretty set on getting a x570 for future-proofing

[techtomato]

6 minutes ago, NickPickerWI said:

That's not how thermodynamics work. Water coolers are still air coolers (the fans through the radiators). It would just take longer for a water cooler to hit max temperature. If airflow is an issue, it's an issue with both air and water cooling.

 

Look at the Fractal Design Define series, or other cases that have mesh fronts rather than a flat front, if you're looking for better airflow.

Well I guess it made sense in my head , still think water coolers look nicer 

[dizmo]

5 minutes ago, NickPickerWI said:

I was going to suggest the RAM swap, but that's a maybe 6-7 FPS difference. 32GB is overkill for gaming, but to your point, we don't know OP's use case.

 

X470 would be great, but OP would need to update the BIOS. The Tomahawk has a bios flashback button, but I don't think other motherboards for X470 do, so then OP would need to get a cheap AM4 chip to update the BIOS or wait for AMD to send them a bootkit. They're switching from Intel.

If he's buying from a shop they will often update the BIOS for him if he asks. It's not a huge barrier.

Eh, depends how he uses his computer. I often hit the 16GB limit while gaming, as I will also have maybe 100 tabs open in multiple browsers.

I wouldn't get an MSI motherboard.

2 minutes ago, techtomato said:

How much do you think I can sell my RAM for? Looked on ebay just now and all the sold listing prices are all over the place. Also what would I gain from faster ram? I don't know very much about it and the ones I have right now seems to be fine...

I'm pretty set on getting a x570 for future-proofing

No idea, you'd have to check your local listings and see what pricing is like.

Ryzen loves faster RAM, so better performance over all. You wouldn't have noticed as much of a difference with Intel, as the chips are designed differently.

It's a foolish thought to think x570 is going to be future proof. It's the last year AMD is going to use that socket, and nothing currently uses PCIe 4.0. By the time video cards need to utilize that, you'll be looking at upgrading again anyway. There are very few cases where going with X570 actually makes sense.

 

If you live close to the border I'd also suggest looking at US sites, sometimes you can save quite a bit of money by ordering from a US store and picking it up across the border.

[techtomato]

4 minutes ago, dizmo said:

No idea, you'd have to check your local listings and see what pricing is like.

Ryzen loves faster RAM, so better performance over all. You wouldn't have noticed as much of a difference with Intel, as the chips are designed differently.

It's a foolish thought to think x570 is going to be future proof. It's the last year AMD is going to use that socket, and nothing currently uses PCIe 4.0. By the time video cards need to utilize that, you'll be looking at upgrading again anyway. There are very few cases where going with X570 actually makes sense.

I just looked into this and I didn't know this before any x470 mobo suggestions? (from asus for aura)

[techtomato]

23 minutes ago, dizmo said:

It's a foolish thought to think x570 is going to be future proof. It's the last year AMD is going to use that socket, and nothing currently uses PCIe 4.0. By the time video cards need to utilize that, you'll be looking at upgrading again anyway. There are very few cases where going with X570 actually makes sense.

Just did a quick search and found that the only Asus board that has Wifi and Bluetooth is the Crosshair VII Hero. It only has bluetooth 4.2 as well and the price difference between the x470 and the x570 is only ~$50 which I'm willing to pay for.

[VEXICUS]

I'll recommend these changes...

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor  ($432.50 @ Vuugo) 
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler  ($109.95 @ Amazon Canada) 
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($259.00 @ Canada Computers) 
Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($119.99 @ Newegg Canada) 
Custom: CableMod C-Series RMi & RMx ModFlex™ Cable Kit ($109.00)
Total: $1030.44
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-07-31 02:02 EDT-0400

[NickPickerWI]

17 hours ago, dizmo said:

If he's buying from a shop they will often update the BIOS for him if he asks. It's not a huge barrier.

No, but it's a hassle.

 

I don't know about his area, but in my area, buying these parts from a shop...well, there are no "shops" that carry parts like this, like a Microcenter. Closest is Best Buy, and they might have two or three motherboards in stock, period, if they even carry components in-store anymore.

 

With the prevalence of Amazon and online purchase, many places (cities) just don't have shops anymore.

 

17 hours ago, dizmo said:

I often hit the 16GB limit while gaming, as I will also have maybe 100 tabs open in multiple browsers.

Yeah, lol, that's not because of gaming, it's because of all of the tabs. That's...I never understood why people do that. But, you do you.

 

17 hours ago, dizmo said:

I wouldn't get an MSI motherboard.

Neither would I, but only because they don't have voltage offset in their BIOS for overclocking. Mechanically, they make solid boards...and make crap boards. So does Asus and Gigabyte. Same argument can be had about power supplies. It depends on what you're looking at.

 

MSI's B450-I Gaming Plus is the only B4XX or X4XX iTX board with decent VRM's to handle Zen 2, for example. The iTX offerings from other companies are physically made with too low a quality/power VRM.

Edited July 31, 2019 by NickPickerWI
Clarified B4XX and X4XX.

[Guest]

32 minutes ago, NickPickerWI said:

Neither would I, but only because they don't have voltage offset in their BIOS for overclocking. 

They do now. 

[techtomato]

I thought about everyone's suggestions and I'm very grateful for all the advice! I decided that I'm sticking with my original part list as I don't want to compromise on the cooler and motherboard for aesthetics and ease (no bios update needed). Maybe when it's time to upgrade again the Asus x570-E will still have good value (I'm hoping for maybe $350 considering it retails for $440. Also I read more reviews on the NZXT H500 and it seems like I will be fine even though it is a more closed off case.

 

Thanks again everyone!

[LienusLateTips]

1 hour ago, techtomato said:

I thought about everyone's suggestions and I'm very grateful for all the advice! I decided that I'm sticking with my original part list as I don't want to compromise on the cooler and motherboard for aesthetics and ease (no bios update needed). Maybe when it's time to upgrade again the Asus x570-E will still have good value (I'm hoping for maybe $350 considering it retails for $440. Also I read more reviews on the NZXT H500 and it seems like I will be fine even though it is a more closed off case.

 

Thanks again everyone!

I'd still highly recommend going for a cheaper motherboard, like the TUF X570. There's absoulutely no need for the higher end one. AFAIK they have the same VRM.

[techtomato]

3 hours ago, LienusLateTips said:

I'd still highly recommend going for a cheaper motherboard, like the TUF X570. There's absoulutely no need for the higher end one. AFAIK they have the same VRM.

Hm...I guess I'll look more into it, also I'm starting to consider air cooling a bit and if I do go with it it'll be the Nh-D15 because I believe they perform better than (if not equal) aio's. The color is hideous though and honestly I might just stick with higher temps if I can't find a way to make it look less ugly.