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3 minutes ago, TrigrH said:

the default bios wont work with ryzen 3000 though

AMD is sending free loaner chips.

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Just now, TrigrH said:

yeah but you cant wait for a loan one each time you replace the motherboard now can you?

RAWR. 

It'll be fine. I can work that out with my host.

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9 hours ago, CakeArmy_Max said:

RAWR. 

It'll be fine. I can work that out with my host.

But is there a BIOS version that supports Zen 2 cpu?

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3 hours ago, brob said:

But is there a BIOS version that supports Zen 2 cpu?

Why wouldn't there be? It's a new(ish) board.

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47 minutes ago, CakeArmy_Max said:

Why wouldn't there be? It's a new(ish) board.

Check the vendors website.

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43 minutes ago, CakeArmy_Max said:

Why wouldn't there be? It's a new(ish) board.

Check the Supported CPU list, https://www.asrockrack.com/general/productdetail.asp?Model=X470D4U#CPU. It only contains Pinnacle Ridge cpu. Until it lists Matisse cpu (Zen 2) I would not count on them being supported. 

 

. . . I just checked the BIOS list and it does list a BIOS release for Ryzen 7nm cpu. So you are likely good to go. Still, I'd worry about the 3xxx cpu not being listed as supported.

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I think at this point the build out is done as long as no compatibility issues arise. Thanks for all the help guys.

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1 hour ago, TrigrH said:

invest in a nice 3200 kit if you can

 

Theres pretty much no difference between 3000Mhz & 3200Mhz memory, especially for server application. 

 

This is my new server I started building last week. Waiting for CPU on backorder, and last of the drives to come in from Amazon. 

There's also a LSI 9211-8i SAS card with SAS breakout cables which isnt listed. 

Potentially going to swap the PSU with the one from my PC as my PC one is 1250w and overkill for a single GPU system. 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor  ($499.00 @ B&H) 
Motherboard: ASRock X570 Taichi ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($299.00 @ B&H) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (1 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($74.99 @ Corsair) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (1 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($74.99 @ Corsair) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (1 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($74.99 @ Corsair) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (1 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($74.99 @ Corsair) 
Storage: Samsung 860 QVO 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Samsung 860 QVO 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Corsair MP600 Force Series Gen4 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($249.99 @ Corsair) 
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar He8 8 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($139.00) 
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar He8 8 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($139.00) 
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar He8 8 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($139.00) 
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Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar He8 8 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($139.00) 
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar He8 8 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($139.00) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8 GB FTW Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card  ($594.00 @ Amazon) 
Case: Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($145.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($109.99 @ Corsair) 
Case Fan: Fractal Design X2 GP-14 (White) 68.4 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($14.99 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: Fractal Design X2 GP-14 (White) 68.4 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($14.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $3837.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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19 hours ago, Jarsky said:

 

Theres pretty much no difference between 3000Mhz & 3200Mhz memory, especially for server application. 

  

This is my new server I started building last week. Waiting for CPU on backorder, and last of the drives to come in from Amazon. 

 There's also a LSI 9211-8i SAS card with SAS breakout cables which isnt listed. 

 Potentially going to swap the PSU with the one from my PC as my PC one is 1250w and overkill for a single GPU system. 

 

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X 3.8 GHz 12-Core Processor  ($499.00 @ B&H) 
Motherboard: ASRock X570 Taichi ATX AM4 Motherboard  ($299.00 @ B&H) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (1 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($74.99 @ Corsair) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (1 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($74.99 @ Corsair) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (1 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($74.99 @ Corsair) 
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (1 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory  ($74.99 @ Corsair) 
Storage: Samsung 860 QVO 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Samsung 860 QVO 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive  ($109.99 @ Amazon) 
Storage: Corsair MP600 Force Series Gen4 1 TB M.2-2280 Solid State Drive  ($249.99 @ Corsair) 
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar He8 8 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($139.00) 
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar He8 8 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($139.00) 
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar He8 8 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($139.00) 
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar He8 8 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($139.00) 
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar He8 8 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($139.00) 
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar He8 8 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($139.00) 
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar He8 8 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($139.00) 
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar He8 8 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($139.00) 
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar He8 8 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($139.00) 
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar He8 8 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  ($139.00) 
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 8 GB FTW Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card  ($594.00 @ Amazon) 
Case: Fractal Design Define R6 USB-C ATX Mid Tower Case  ($145.99 @ Newegg Business) 
Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply  ($109.99 @ Corsair) 
Case Fan: Fractal Design X2 GP-14 (White) 68.4 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($14.99 @ Amazon) 
Case Fan: Fractal Design X2 GP-14 (White) 68.4 CFM 140 mm Fan  ($14.99 @ Amazon) 
Total: $3837.89
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-07-29 07:30 EDT-0400

You can get a *slightly* better deal by buying the full 64GB kit together if you haven't already purchased. See: https://www.newegg.com/corsair-64gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820236072

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55 minutes ago, CakeArmy_Max said:

You can get a *slightly* better deal by buying the full 64GB kit together if you haven't already purchased. See: https://www.newegg.com/corsair-64gb-288-pin-ddr4-sdram/p/N82E16820236072

ive already bought everything and got the memory but thanks 

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Server: Fractal Design Define R6 | Ryzen 3950x | ASRock X570 Taichi | EVGA GTX1070 FTW | 64GB (4x16GB) Corsair Vengeance LPX 3000Mhz | Corsair RM850v2 PSU | Fractal S36 Triple AIO + 4 Additional Venturi 120mm Fans | 14 x 20TB Seagate Exos X22 20TB | 500GB Aorus Gen4 NVMe | 2 x 2TB Samsung 970 Evo Plus NVMe | LSI 9211-8i HBA

 

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Based on the fact you're trying to upgrade a bit and you sound budget conscious I'd be looking at a Ryzen 7 2700, in multicore its within error margin based on the fact it sounds like you're gonna be expanding to more multicore operations wouldn't be a bad option its cheaper than the 3600, and unlike the 2700 it'll just work without any fidgety beta bios'es on 400 series motherboards.

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I haven't pulled the trigger yet. I was searching for a datacenter first which I think I found. I was looking at future upgradeability which wouldn't be possible with the dynatron coolers because they only have an 85W TDP. I then looked at https://www.neweggbusiness.com/product/product.aspx?item=9b-19-113-545 . Coolers for this guy is another problem. There isn't alot in the 1U space. I think watercooling may be the best option? (yes, I know thats a different socket)

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3 hours ago, CakeArmy_Max said:

I haven't pulled the trigger yet. I was searching for a datacenter first which I think I found. I was looking at future upgradeability which wouldn't be possible with the dynatron coolers because they only have an 85W TDP. I then looked at https://www.neweggbusiness.com/product/product.aspx?item=9b-19-113-545 . Coolers for this guy is another problem. There isn't alot in the 1U space. I think watercooling may be the best option? (yes, I know thats a different socket)

 

This is how you cool a 1U high TDP chip.  Large passive heatsink with high pressure fans.

 

https://www.abmx.com/1u-server-amd

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7 hours ago, KarathKasun said:

 

This is how you cool a 1U high TDP chip.  Large passive heatsink with high pressure fans.

 

https://www.abmx.com/1u-server-amd

Using one of those builders DRAMATICALLY increases the cost compared to building it myself. Do you think that the supermicro chasis posted before and the dynatron passive heatsink will be enough? If I changed out the included fans, would that be enough?

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1 hour ago, CakeArmy_Max said:

Using one of those builders DRAMATICALLY increases the cost compared to building it myself. Do you think that the supermicro chasis posted before and the dynatron passive heatsink will be enough? If I changed out the included fans, would that be enough?

Remember, those are Epyc based as well.  So instantly the CPU alone costs much more.

 

The passive heatsink aligned front to back with good chassis fans will absolutely be able to handle the heat.  With an off the shelf build, look for a board that does not have obstructions between the CPU and I/O area.  This way you can just omit the I/O cover to increase the air flow over the CPU heatsink.  Low profile memory or memory slots that run front to back on the board would also be something to look for.

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