Should I sell R5 2400g and get a 2600?

[steelo]

Tell me if I'm thinking straight here guys...I built a PC about 6 months ago and not realizing that I would later on buy a dedicated graphics card, 'settled' with a R5 2400g. Don't get me wrong, it's an amazing CPU if you're looking to play games in 720 settings. Since then, I bought a RX 570 to be able to get a taste of VR gaming. 

 

I'm now looking at the prices of second gen Ryzen CPU's and they are dirt cheap. I'm honestly considering selling my 2400g for $80-100 on ebay and buying a 2600 with 2 more cores/2 more threads for $120. I'm pretty sure the 2400g isn't bottle necking my graphics card, so it may not even be worth the cost. What do you guys think?

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, steelo said:

I'm pretty sure the 2400g isn't bottle necking my graphics card, so it may not even be worth the cost.

Yup, between the CPU and GPU, GPU goes first.

[steelo]

5 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

Yup, between the CPU and GPU, GPU goes first.

Ah, okay...so you're saying I should replace my GPU first? I do plan on replacing it in probably 1-2 years when it no longer is able to play modern titles, but I'm just curious if I'd see any frame rate improvement, particularly in VR games having 2 more cores?

[Jurrunio]

2 minutes ago, steelo said:

Ah, okay...so you're saying I should replace my GPU first? I'm just curious if I'd see any frame rate improvement, particularly in VR games having 2 more cores?

the more demanding of VR games are more GPU heavy than they are CPU heavy. I think VR headsets ask for 90fps for the best experience? I wont say the 2400G doesnt bottleneck when it comes to maintaining 90fps, but the RX 570 will bottleneck more often.

 

besides, the 3rd gen 3600 is a much better gaming CPU so it's better to wait for the 3600 to get a bit cheaper anyways.

[SupaKomputa]

If you're already have 570, an upgrade to 2600 won't effecting much of in gaming.

[steelo]

4 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

the more demanding of VR games are more GPU heavy than they are CPU heavy. I think VR headsets ask for 90fps for the best experience? I wont say the 2400G doesnt bottleneck when it comes to maintaining 90fps, but the RX 570 will bottleneck more often.

Surprisingly, my graphics card does maintain very close to 90 fps in VR with an occasional stutter which may just be due to a network interruption with online games. I looked at CPU utilization while playing a ST bridge crew VR and it looks like CPU usage stays around 30-40% on all cores

[Fasauceome]

What ram do you have? If it's adequate speed, and dual channel, your current CPU is up to the task of VR. The RX 570, on the other hand, is basically the bare minimum for VR.

[steelo]

2 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

What ram do you have? If it's adequate speed, and dual channel, your current CPU is up to the task of VR. The RX 570, on the other hand, is basically the bare minimum for VR.

I have 2 sticks of 3200mhz DDR4 dual channel RAM, 8gb total.

[Jurrunio]

3 minutes ago, steelo said:

I looked at CPU utilization while playing a ST bridge crew VR and it looks like CPU usage stays around 30-40% on all cores

well then you certainly dont need better CPUs for now.

[steelo]

6 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

well then you certainly dont need better CPUs for now.

Okay, I do plan on possibly upgrading my GPU to a RX 5700 or a more modern mid range AMD GPU in 1-2 years...probably when prices fall to around $200. Do you believe my CPU will bottleneck that graphics card, whether it be VR gaming or flat screen?

[Fasauceome]

5 minutes ago, steelo said:

I have 2 sticks of 3200mhz DDR4 dual channel RAM, 8gb total.

then you should have no trouble pushing 90 fps with more gpu horsepower.

[steelo]

15 minutes ago, fasauceome said:

then you should have no trouble pushing 90 fps with more gpu horsepower.

I'm not looking to upgrade my CPU because I'm not satisfied with performance, I've taken notice how cheap Ryzen CPU's have gotten. I can sell my 2400g for 90-$100 and spend $20-30 on a 2600 with 2 more cores and have a more future-proof CPU.

 

I'm waiting on AMD to release their next gen of mid range Navi cards (rumored to be around $200) or for the current RX 5700 to drop in price. I'm in no hurry as my current graphics card does everything I need it to for now.

[Jurrunio]

34 minutes ago, steelo said:

Okay, I do plan on possibly upgrading my GPU to a RX 5700 or a more modern mid range AMD GPU in 1-2 years...probably when prices fall to around $200. Do you believe my CPU will bottleneck that graphics card, whether it be VR gaming or flat screen?

maybe, but can VR games go past 90fps? Otherwise you might not notice that CPU bottleneck still since you can use the extra GPU power to just crank up the quality settings

[steelo]

21 minutes ago, Jurrunio said:

maybe, but can VR games go past 90fps? Otherwise you might not notice that CPU bottleneck still since you can use the extra GPU power to just crank up the quality settings

So, when you crank up the detail settings in VR, it is utilizing GPU power and not CPU power? When I play flat screen games, like Assassins Creed or Resident Evil 2 at 1080 high, my CPU utilization is much higher.

[RodrigoRS]

What motherboard do you have?

[steelo]

3 minutes ago, RodrigoRS said:

What motherboard do you have?

ASRock B450M

[RodrigoRS]

3 minutes ago, steelo said:

ASRock B450M

Asuming is the 450M Pro 4, you should be able to put the new Ryzen 5 3600 without any problem. If I where you, I would wait a year or more, improve the gpu and ram (up to 16gb) in between and when the price of zen 2 drops, buy a new Ryzen 5 3600. Your mobo should be fine with any new 6 core processor (without OC).

[driftz240]

2 minutes ago, RodrigoRS said:

Asuming is the 450M Pro 4, you should be able to put the new Ryzen 5 3600 without any problem. If I where you, I would wait a year or more, improve the gpu and ram (up to 16gb) in between and when the price of zen 2 drops, buy a new Ryzen 5 3600. Your mobo should be fine with any new 6 core processor (without OC).

It doesnt sound like the op wants to spend alot of money in one sitting for a new cpu, ram and gpu

[RodrigoRS]

4 minutes ago, driftz240 said:

It doesnt sound like the op wants to spend alot of money in one sitting for a new cpu, ram and gpu

That's why I told him to do it over a year or even more. AM4 will last a lot more, It's better to improve first gpu and ram, one at the time over one or two years. Then, in 2021 o so, buy some chep Ryzen 3600 or similar. The pc will last a lot of years and he won't have to switch mobo or ram. If I'm saying something wrong, sorry.

[steelo]

9 minutes ago, RodrigoRS said:

Asuming is the 450M Pro 4, you should be able to put the new Ryzen 5 3600 without any problem. If I where you, I would wait a year or more, improve the gpu and ram (up to 16gb) in between and when the price of zen 2 drops, buy a new Ryzen 5 3600. Your mobo should be fine with any new 6 core processor (without OC).

Well, I kind of screwed up when I bought the MB. I got a AsRock B450M HDV (I think) which isn't exactly the greatest of MB's. So far though, I haven't had any problems.

[driftz240]

2 minutes ago, RodrigoRS said:

That's why I told him to do it over a year or even more. AM4 will last a lot more,

Sorry my mistake i read it as "wait a year or so then buy everything" oops lol. Yeah id upgrade gpu first cause i think that 2400g will last longer than that 570.

[steelo]

11 minutes ago, driftz240 said:

It doesnt sound like the op wants to spend alot of money in one sitting for a new cpu, ram and gpu

Right! What I was hoping to do was gradually upgrade components over the next 1-2 years. I'm happy with what I have for right now. Unfortunately, my MB kind of is crappy so I screwed myself over. =(

 

Upgrading the CPU right now probably is stupid...my eyes just lit up when I saw prices drop $30 on a R5 2600 and it got me thinking, "I can sell my 2400g on ebay and only pay a difference of $20-30 for 2 more cores...

 

LOL. I think I caught your upgrade 'disease' LOL!

[driftz240]

1 minute ago, steelo said:

Well, I kind of screwed up when I bought the MB. I got a AsRock B450M HDV (I think) which isn't exactly the greatest of MB's. So far though, I haven't had any problems.

Yeaahh, doesn't look to be the greatest b450 board but it still might handle something like a 3600 non oc.

[Jurrunio]

34 minutes ago, steelo said:

So, when you crank up the detail settings in VR, it is utilizing GPU power and not CPU power? When I play flat screen games, like Assassins Creed or Resident Evil 2 at 1080 high, my CPU utilization is much higher.

Yes

 

I've only played AC out of the two. When cranking up graphics settings the game also increase NPC count, whose behaviour takes CPU clock cycles to calculate.

[steelo]

10 minutes ago, driftz240 said:

Yeaahh, doesn't look to be the greatest b450 board but it still might handle something like a 3600 non oc.

It's esentially crap...but at the time, I was building my first PC in years and didn't know better =(

 

I do have my 2400g overclocked and so far it seems to handle it okay. I know VRM heat is an issue with that MB, they're basically bare metal.