Ryzen with 6 or 8 core ?

[gasolin]

I have a ryzen 7 1700 at 4.0 ghz  https://valid.x86.fr/w0a3en a rtx 2060 (stock oc) and a 2560x1440 144hz i game on.

 

Ryzen 3000 is so hyped, to me it's a little expensive, even the ryzen 5 3600,  i might only get 1/3 of the prize of a ryzen 5 3600 for my ryzen 1700 

 

So what i basically have to pay for a ryzen 5 3600 is what i can get for my ryzen 7 1700 and more than the price of a new ryzen 7 1700 or ryzen 5 2600 (i can still get the division and world war z with a ryzen 2600).

 

Sometimes  ryzen 1700 wins in games and sometimes it's the 2600, even when the 1700 is only oced to 4.0 ghz and the 2600 is oced to 4.3ghz

 

The big question is ryzen 1700 or buy a 2600 (when you still can get the division and world war z) and what to choose if ryzen 3000 6 or 8 core, even the small ryzen 5 3600 is surpose to be better than any current ryzen.

 

 

 

 

 

[SupaKomputa]

the cheapest 3600 would turbo to 4.2 i assume, that's better than any previous chip.

[pizapower]

 There's no much point to buy the 3600 because your RTX2060 can't handle new AAA games(high/ultra settings) @ 1440p/144fps anyway.

[gasolin]

15 minutes ago, SupaKomputa said:

the cheapest 3600 would turbo to 4.2 i assume, that's better than any previous chip.

why would you say that?

 

Ryzen 5 2600X boost up to 4.2ghz

 

Ryzen 7 2700X boost up to 4.35ghz 

 

 

 

[wtf man]

8 minutes ago, gasolin said:

why would you say that?

 

Ryzen 5 2600X boost up to 4.2ghz

 

Ryzen 7 2700X boost up to 4.35ghz 

 

 

 

the Ghz isnt the most important factor all the time.Generation is important too,architecture,newer technology and so on

[SupaKomputa]

Sorry, my bad, yeah 2700x is higher.

[gasolin]

24 minutes ago, pizapower said:

 There's no much point to buy the 3600 because your RTX2060 can't handle new AAA games(high/ultra settings) @ 1440p/144fps anyway.

It really doens't matter if a rtx 2060 can handle new aaa games in 2560x1440 144hz 

 

A rtx 2060 is faster than a gtx 108, in the video although most use 1080P, theres difference with a gtx 1080, even in csgo where i thought the 4.3ghz ryzen 5 2600 would beat the 1700, it didn't 

[Leanora]

Looking at 'older'  benchmarks gives a wrong overview of the performance due to a broken windows scheduler.  Unless I am mistaken the update to resolve this was rolled out earlier this month.  We don;t know how things perform under the new conditions. 

 

Globally speaking,  Currently single core performance does better with games.  Games are however still slowly moving towards multi core. Multi core performance will be the future.   The question is, how far away are we from this future. 

 

Wait till 7-7 to see benchmarks and hopefully all were done with the new scheduler to see accurate performance. 

 

30 minutes ago, pizapower said:

 There's no much point to buy the 3600 because your RTX2060 can't handle new AAA games(high/ultra settings) @ 1440p/144fps anyway.

 

Not even the 2080 TI will run AAA games at 1440P 144 FPS while on godlike settings, what is your point? 

[pizapower]

10 minutes ago, Leanora said:

Not even the 2080 TI will run AAA games at 1440P 144 FPS while on godlike settings, what is your point? 

R7 1700 @ 4ghz doesn't bottleneck a RTX2060 @ 1440p (AAA games)

[Leanora]

8 minutes ago, pizapower said:

R7 1700 @ 4ghz doesn't bottleneck a RTX2060 @ 1440p (AAA games)

You're most likely correct with that.  

I have an OC 6700k and VII and my GPU is still bottlenecking the CPU when it comes to gaming. 

 

@gasolin

 

If you have steam you can download the free Shadow of the Tomb Raider demo. 

It has a build in benchmark that will indicate you where the bottleneck is.  You might want to run that benchmark to checkout your config. 

[gasolin]

They do in fact test in 1440p and there could be a difference, so it's not just about a ryzen 7 1700 not bottleneck a RTX2060 since a ryzen 2600 could be faster, it's more if i should buy a 2600 and oc to, i think my limited is 4.2ghz with my current cpu cooler, when the ryzen 2600 is still in stock and with 2 games  or if possible buy a used cheap 2600

 

[gasolin]

5 minutes ago, Leanora said:

You're most likely correct with that.  

I have an OC 6700k and VII and my GPU is still bottlenecking the CPU when it comes to gaming. 

 

@gasolin

 

If you have steam you can download the free Shadow of the Tomb Raider demo. 

It has a build in benchmark that will indicate you where the bottleneck is.  You might want to run that benchmark to checkout your config. 

I have shadow of the tomb raider, i still have to find a ryzen 2600 at lest say 4.2 ghz tested in 2560x1440 (sotr) to compare with my setup

[Leanora]

Just now, gasolin said:

I have shadow of the tomb raider.

Great, run the benchmark and you can see a breakdown of performance, including bottlenecks 

[gasolin]

breakdown, bottleneck?

[Leanora]

Just now, gasolin said:

breakdown, bottleneck?

If you run the benchmark in tomb raider, you see a screen at the end of the results, have a look at that. 

[gasolin]

only tomb raider i forgot i haven't installed sotr

 

[Leanora]

You want to run it with shadow of the tombraider,  the free demo includes the benchmark.  It gives you way more useful information.  The one you posted only says something about FPS, not what is causing it. 

 

CHeck at 3:50 to see what I'm talking about:

 

[gasolin]

GOOD damit for some reason unknown to me i can't start sotr it does start but NOTHIONG happens on my screen.

 

I can't take the benchmark

[Leanora]

that's a shame. 

I do have to agree with @pizapower , if you want to upgrade the CPU for only gaming then it seems to provide a pretty low return of investment since the GPU is most likely your bottleneck when it comes to gaming. 

[dgsddfgdfhgs]

I do own a r7 1700 , 8 core. and I dont think I would ever find a reason good enough to upgrade

[Dreamer758]

On 6/23/2019 at 1:58 AM, pizapower said:

 There's no much point to buy the 3600 because your RTX2060 can't handle new AAA games(high/ultra settings) @ 1440p/144fps anyway.

Yea it can depends on the title my 2070 can well it depends if you have g sync cuz then 144hz would suck if you can’t maintain it solid

[gasolin]

I havn't said im going to buy a ryzen 5 3600 since i feel i have to pay to much for it, of course relative to what i can get for a use ryzen 7 1700.

 

It's more that i won't be using max power from either cpus (1700 and 2600) but it's nice to have it,  if for some reason i need it, i do get 2 games if i buy a ryzen 2600 and better temps,ipc,nm, despite being able to run in some test at 4.3 ghz it doesn't mean it's always the fastest cpu in games compared to a ryzen 1700 at 4.ghz.

 

8 core does in some games seem to be better than 6 cores, in project cars 2 it looks like more ghz is better than more cores and i do like to play project cars 2.

 

The offer with 2 games with a ryzen 2600 is until june 29th.

 

I do get 97% gpu usage or so in some games and wouldn't mind have just a bit more cpu power for gaming so i can max out my gpu in some games, since it would give me alot more noise (and higher temps) if i oc my gpu more than what it is from  the factory, i would like to max it out (max perfomance) at stock oc, rtx 260 is more than enough for 1080p 144hz but just okay, good for 1440p 144hz (2560x1440). 

[Leanora]

Unless you actually need the cores then there is no reason, other than just wanting to spend some money to get a 2600

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-2600-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700/3955vs3917

 

If you you want to upgrade then go for a 3000 series, better single core speeds and more cores unless I am mistaken.

 

For now you want the highest single thread speed, the future however is multi core.

Does that answer your question?

[gasolin]

1 minute ago, Leanora said:

Unless you actually need the cores then there is no reason, other than just wanting to spend some money to get a 2600

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-5-2600-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-1700/3955vs3917

 

If you you want to upgrade then go for a 3000 series, better single core speeds and more cores unless I am mistaken.

 

For now you want the highest single thread speed, the future however is multi core.

Does that answer your question?

ryzen 3600 is still 50% more expensive than a 2600 with no games.

 

Advantage, more single core perfomance an lower tdp but i think i need a rtx 2080 or gtx 1080 ti to take advantage of that extra cpu power a ryzen 3600 has.

 

Im a low noise freak, i can't get more power out of my gpu without more noise and im already at my cpu's limited (80 c or there about in prime 95 small fft) with my cooler master masterliquid lite 240, yes it's the cheapest 240mm aio BUT i got it to be almost 100% silent with 77% (as i remember) on the pump and noctua redux 900 rpm fans that is super close to being 100% silent at 900 rpm, if not totally silent in my define r6 case.

[melete]

23 minutes ago, gasolin said:

ryzen 3600 is still 50% more expensive than a 2600 with no games.

 

Advantage, more single core perfomance an lower tdp but i think i need a rtx 2080 or gtx 1080 ti to take advantage of that extra cpu power a ryzen 3600 has.

 

Im a low noise freak, i can't get more power out of my gpu without more noise and im already at my cpu's limited (80 c or there about in prime 95 small fft) with my cooler master masterliquid lite 240, yes it's the cheapest 240mm aio BUT i got it to be almost 100% silent with 77% (as i remember) on the pump and noctua redux 900 rpm fans that is super close to being 100% silent at 900 rpm, if not totally silent in my define r6 case.

If you don't think you'll get any more performance out of a Ryzen 3600 you definitely won't get anything out of Ryzen 2600 so don't buy that either.