Should I get components now or wait?

[Willster]

I am in dire need of a computer upgrade (I'm still running an AMD FX-8350) as I am working on my own indie game using unreal engine and while I can work on it using my current set up the amount of time I spend waiting on shaders to compile and long render times in other 3D software is less than ideal and takes a lot out of my work time. 

My current plan is to get whatever the highest ryzen 3000 series AM4 socket CPU is once it comes out pared with an RTX 2080 (Unreal works better and is more stable with Nvidia cards in most cases). That being said I already have a case and nice 1200 Watt platinum rated power supply. My thoughts are when ryzen 3000 series stuff launches there will be a quite a few people building new systems and possibility the demand will cause prices to rise for common components such as drives, memory, and video cards. On the flip side as prices are always going down as new things come out and markets settle the prices might be cheaper at those time. I'm kind of leaning to them being cheaper now (say an m.2 drive and some RAM) rather than later while an RTX 2080 might be cheaper if I get it closer to when ryzen 3000 launches (as who really knows what Navi might or might not do to the market). With the Biostar x570 motherboard leak drives and memory support should be a thing that I could buy now without too much of a compatibility concern. 

These are just my thoughts but I would like to see what you guys think. I know that no one has a crystal ball and the savings one way or the other probably aren't going to be that extreme but I do like to get the biggest bang for my buck when I can. 

 

P.S. I guess I could also get a cooler as well  looking at a closed loop from corsair unless anyone know of anything better in the closed loop type (I know some air coolers are better but I don't like a large cooler hanging off my socket and making access of RAM and the like a pain).

P.P.S Thanks for the replies. The amount of responses and quality of them is refreshing as this is my first post here.  

[Fasauceome]

Waiting is good for the wallet, especially when it's this close to the launch date. You can get the 2080 right now, put up with the bottleneck, and then get the new Ryzen processors when they drop.

[Dedayog]

8 minutes ago, Willster said:

I am in dire need of a computer upgrade (I'm still running an AMD FX-8350) as I am working on my own indie game using unreal engine and while I can work on it using my current set up the amount of time I spend waiting on shaders to compile and long render times in other 3D software is less than ideal and takes a lot out of my work time. 

My current plan is to get whatever the highest ryzen 3000 series AM4 socket CPU is once it comes out pared with an RTX 2080 (Unreal works better and is more stable with Nvidia cards in most cases). That being said I already have a case and nice 1200 Watt platinum rated power supply. My thoughts are when ryzen 3000 series stuff launches there will be a quite a few people building new systems and possibility the demand will cause prices to rise for common components such as drives, memory, and video cards. On the flip side as prices are always going down as new things come out and markets settle the prices might be cheaper at those time. I'm kind of leaning to them being cheaper now (say an m.2 drive and some RAM) rather than later while an RTX 2080 might be cheaper if I get it closer to when ryzen 3000 launches (as who really knows what Navi might or might not do to the market). With the Biostar x570 motherboard leak drives and memory support should be a thing that I could buy now without too much of a compatibility concern. 

These are just my thoughts but I would like to see what you guys think. I know that no one has a crystal ball and the savings one way or the other probably aren't going to be that extreme but I do like to get the biggest bang for my buck when I can. 

I don't think the Ryzen launch and resulting builds will cause a significant if noticeable price change for other components.  It's not THAT much of a revolutionary CPU vs all the other CPU launches.

 

I like the way you're thinking about drives and a 2080 and waiting for Ryzen, I concur with @fasauceome.

[Malibrew]

8 minutes ago, Willster said:

I am in dire need of a computer upgrade (I'm still running an AMD FX-8350) as I am working on my own indie game using unreal engine and while I can work on it using my current set up the amount of time I spend waiting on shaders to compile and long render times in other 3D software is less than ideal and takes a lot out of my work time. 

My current plan is to get whatever the highest ryzen 3000 series AM4 socket CPU is once it comes out pared with an RTX 2080 (Unreal works better and is more stable with Nvidia cards in most cases). That being said I already have a case and nice 1200 Watt platinum rated power supply. My thoughts are when ryzen 3000 series stuff launches there will be a quite a few people building new systems and possibility the demand will cause prices to rise for common components such as drives, memory, and video cards. On the flip side as prices are always going down as new things come out and markets settle the prices might be cheaper at those time. I'm kind of leaning to them being cheaper now (say an m.2 drive and some RAM) rather than later while an RTX 2080 might be cheaper if I get it closer to when ryzen 3000 launches (as who really knows what Navi might or might not do to the market). With the Biostar x570 motherboard leak drives and memory support should be a thing that I could buy now without too much of a compatibility concern. 

These are just my thoughts but I would like to see what you guys think. I know that no one has a crystal ball and the savings one way or the other probably aren't going to be that extreme but I do like to get the biggest bang for my buck when I can. 

 

P.S. I guess I could also get a cooler as well  looking at a closed loop from corsair unless anyone know of anything better in the closed loop type (I know some air coolers are better but I don't like a large cooler hanging off my socket and making access of RAM and the like a pain).

I would recommend holding off as long as you can.  The end of 2019 will be interesting with Intel releasing their updated CPU architecture with lower nm alongside nvidia's release of the 30-series RTX graphics cards.  These two changes could possibly be small game-changers for the not too distant future, which would drastically reduce the cost of today's high end components.  Also, ensure whichever components you decide to go with have the latest ports to maximize bandwidth and display capabilities.  Your thoughts to the more "common" components rising after a big release is spot on!  Good luck!

[PopsicleHustler]

I agree with @fasauceome. You can get RTX2080, CPU cooler, m.2 and even RAM. I don't think Ryzen 3000 will have same issues as 1st gen Ryzen with terrible memory support, so there is no risk of having run of the mill memory like Corsair Vengeance 3200 not working with your new hardware.

 

And then you can just wait for Ryzen 3000 launch and get top tier CPU and Motherboard right away.

[Willster]

9 minutes ago, Malibrew said:

I would recommend holding off as long as you can.  The end of 2019 will be interesting with Intel releasing their updated CPU architecture with lower nm alongside nvidia's release of the 30-series RTX graphics cards.  These two changes could possibly be small game-changers for the not too distant future, which would drastically reduce the cost of today's high end components.  Also, ensure whichever components you decide to go with have the latest ports to maximize bandwidth and display capabilities.  Your thoughts to the more "common" components rising after a big release is spot on!  Good luck!

I have been seeing some Intel stuff out about their lower nm coming out but what will that really mean for performance to price? The bang for the buck is something I (personally) haven't really been able to justify from Intel for a while and I don't feel like their next nm shrink will be any better in that department (could be wrong). Also I'm not looking to wait that long. Those are good points though and something to think about. 

[SPARTAN VI]

I see outlets/etailers like Newegg and Microcenter are practically liquidating their gen 1 Ryzen stock. Bundling a R5 1600 with a B450 board wouldn't hurt the pocket book at all considering you'd basically be a BIOS update away from dropping in a Ryzen 3000 chip, then simply flip the R5 1600 on the second hand market. 

[Fasauceome]

38 minutes ago, Malibrew said:

The end of 2019 will be interesting with Intel releasing their updated CPU architecture with lower nm

No, Intel has delayed their process shrink to 2021. 14nm is here to stay for a while.

[Malibrew]

1 hour ago, fasauceome said:

No, Intel has delayed their process shrink to 2021. 14nm is here to stay for a while.

Intel 10nm Icy Lake is one of Intel's new CPU's and is built around the 10nm architecture releasing Q4 2019.  Intel 10nm server CPU's will be released Q2 2020 and the 7nm architecture you must have been referring to will be released late 2020 to early 2021.

[Willster]

26 minutes ago, Malibrew said:

Intel 10nm Icy Lake is one of Intel's new CPU's and is built around the 10nm architecture releasing Q4 2019.  Intel 10nm server CPU's will be released Q2 2020 and the 7nm architecture you must have been referring to will be released late 2020 to early 2021.

From everything I have seen it's just Ice Lake-U stuff this year (unless I'm missing something and I could be all rumors point to 2020 for desktop and server) so meh processors for laptops and not something I really care about in the space I'm looking to buy. 

My guess is by the time the 10nm Intel stuff hits for desktop we will be looking at Zen 3 architecture and TSMC 5nm with AMD. 

[fluxdeity]

17 minutes ago, Willster said:

From everything I have seen it's just Ice Lake-U stuff this year (unless I'm missing something and I could be all rumors point to 2020 for desktop and server) so meh processors for laptops and not something I really care about in the space I'm looking to buy. 

My guess is by the time the 10nm Intel stuff hits for desktop we will be looking at Zen 3 architecture and TSMC 5nm with AMD. 

If you're located in the US, Amazon has a great deal($95) for DDR4. I have mine clocked at 3200 CL14 with tightened timings using the Ryzen RAM Calculator program.

A comparable pair of sticks clocked at 3200 CL14 goes for around 150-250 from G.Skill/Corsair. 

[Dedayog]

4 minutes ago, fluxdeity said:

If you're located in the US, Amazon has a great deal($95) for DDR4. I have mine clocked at 3200 CL14 with tightened timings using the Ryzen RAM Calculator program.

A comparable pair of sticks clocked at 3200 CL14 goes for around 150-250 from G.Skill/Corsair. 

Are you saying you bought the 3733 CL17 RAM and downclocked it to get it to CL14?

 

Or did you mean to reference the 3200MHz RAM for $79.99?

[trevb0t]

On the same thought process of bang for your buck, you could likely make away with a 2700X near the Zen 2 release for a very good price. 

We will see what the performance gains would look like realistically, but if cost to performance is the key factor, a cheap 2700X would be hard to beat.

[fluxdeity]

31 minutes ago, jstudrawa said:

Are you saying you bought the 3733 CL17 RAM and downclocked it to get it to CL14?

 

Or did you mean to reference the 3200MHz RAM for $79.99?

I bought the 3733 CL17 RAM because it's Samsung b-die, 16GB, and gets 3200 CL14 which is the sweet spot for Zen+. Furthering it by tightening the timings beyond CL14 standard.

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[Willster]

10 minutes ago, trevb0t said:

On the same thought process of bang for your buck, you could likely make away with a 2700X near the Zen 2 release for a very good price. 

We will see what the performance gains would look like realistically, but if cost to performance is the key factor, a cheap 2700X would be hard to beat.

While looking at the performance uplift is something I will keep in mind my current plan is go with their 16 core Ryzen 3000 part as a lot of what I will be doing is helped by multi threading for rendering and the like. I see this as a possibility cheaper option to a thread ripper like class of cpu cores.  

[trevb0t]

14 minutes ago, Willster said:

While looking at the performance uplift is something I will keep in mind my current plan is go with their 16 core Ryzen 3000 part as a lot of what I will be doing is helped by multi threading for rendering and the like. I see this as a possibility cheaper option to a thread ripper like class of cpu cores.  

Indeed. The 3700 series has some pretty intense rumors floating around! I'm excited to see!

[orbitalbuzzsaw]

Vis-a-vis video cards I'd get a Radeon VII as it has high compute and is somewhat cheaper than the 2080 (plus my god is that cooler a beauty)

[trevb0t]

6 minutes ago, OrbitalBuzzsaw said:

Vis-a-vis video cards I'd get a Radeon VII as it has high compute and is somewhat cheaper than the 2080 (plus my god is that cooler a beauty)

OP did state that the RTX cards are a better fit to his software use. 

 

Were I in the market for an RTX 2080, I'd be looking at this model:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MZm323/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-2080-8-gb-windforce-video-card-gv-n2080wf3-8gc

 

Low price point (relatively), High end triple fan cooler, and a nasty ass core clock.

[trevb0t]

7 minutes ago, comander said:

If you're a fan of 32GB kits... $160 here
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?sdtid=13086268&SID=e8a9431278d711e99aad9aec81e22f080INT&AID=10446076&PID=1225267&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-Slickdeals LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&Item=N82E16820232740&cm_sp=

32GB DDR4-3600. Hynix CJR(CFR?) if I'm not mistaken. I've heard of people getting it to DDR4-3600 16-16-16 (similar to DDR4-3200 14-14-14). YMMV, definitely depends on the chip's IMC.  

I'd wait to see what Ryzen 3 supports in terms of RAM speed... And if you get a bad kit for OCing, you are just stuck with a CL 19 kit...

Why not just buy a solid set?

[Willster]

1 hour ago, OrbitalBuzzsaw said:

Vis-a-vis video cards I'd get a Radeon VII as it has high compute and is somewhat cheaper than the 2080 (plus my god is that cooler a beauty)

 

40 minutes ago, trevb0t said:

OP did state that the RTX cards are a better fit to his software use. 

 

Were I in the market for an RTX 2080, I'd be looking at this model:

https://pcpartpicker.com/product/MZm323/gigabyte-geforce-rtx-2080-8-gb-windforce-video-card-gv-n2080wf3-8gc

 

Low price point (relatively), High end triple fan cooler, and a nasty ass core clock.

So something I want to point out here is that as far as I know Unreal engine really does prefer Nvidia cards but more video memory could really go a long way in content creation. This will probably be a topic that I revisit again before I get a video card and if I am going to go with an AMD one I might wait to see what Navi has in store if anything at all. 

Now I do know that AMD has provided ProRender plugins for many different programs including Uneal https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/radeon-prorender-downloads
 

As for all the RAM recommendations from everyone I do want to say thanks and that I am aware Ryzen has had some compatibility issues (most are worked out now?? but I will want to do my homework). My current system has 16GB of RAM and I can max that out without even trying depending on my creative and 3D workload so I'm shooting for 64 GB of RAM in my new build as I could use more space (yes I know it will be harder to get that much to higher clocks). I'm kind of looking to see what X570 will deliver in this area when it comes out and if there will be any compelling reason to go with that chipset for my needs.  

[Willster]

I live in the US and this latest round of tariffs seems to have inflated the price of Video Cards once again.... Might have to wait a while for it to settle back down.

 

Well  except for ZOTAC (never heard of them).
https://www.amazon.com/ZOTAC-Graphics-IceStorm-Backplate-ZT-T20800G-10P/dp/B07K9SCJRK?
although that one seems clocked really low. 

[Willster]

Yeah there is no way I'm waiting for Navi if those specs are real. ... https://www.techpowerup.com/255768/sapphire-reps-leak-juicy-details-on-amd-radeon-navi