When do you think AM4 will be changed?

[LukeLinusFanFic]

Basically what the title says. 

 

Or a better question: will am5 already be here when current AMD chips become obsolete and underpowered and need to be replaced?

 

am2-am3 has been 3 years, and It technically has been 8 years for am3, but AMD hasn't really been doing much the last 3-4 years of it's lifetime and that's no secret. AMD is competitive now and I doubt they're going to slump. They need and will keep up. 

 

People keep saying that AMD has better socket support, but DDR5 is pretty much around the corner, and eventually the socket will need to be changed. 

 

I'm not hating on AMD or anything, ryzen has a bunch of good qualities, but I wonder wether better socket support is a practic one of them. 

[GoldenLag]

after Ryzen 4000. 

 

even if DDR5 comes out next year. it will still take another year for actual adoption. 

 

we dont know about B350 boards holding up though, which is going to be interesting

[SocomSuade]

Have been wondering this a lot myself. I just upgraded GPU to 1080ti (from a 970) and I feel it is time to upgrade the rest (i7-4790k).

 

I do not like the fact that I literally will have to upgrade everything so I have been leaning toward AMD. I hear their chip support is several years vs. intel giving hardly any.

 

I figured I could buy the first next gen chipset and then in 5 years still be able to upgrade the CPU to the latest at the time without having to do an entire new build.

[Mr Technician]

I'm debating whether it's worth upgrading to a 3000 series chip with my x370 board or if I should just wait until I rebuild entirely, though I did just put $120 on another 16gb of ram.

[LukeLinusFanFic]

1 minute ago, SocomSuade said:

Have been wondering this a lot myself. I just upgraded GPU to 1080ti (from a 970) and I feel it is time to upgrade the rest (i7-4790k).

 

I do not like the fact that I literally will have to upgrade everything so I have been leaning toward AMD. I hear their chip support is several years vs. intel giving hardly any.

 

I figured I could buy the first next gen chipset and then in 5 years still be able to upgrade the CPU to the latest at the time without having to do an entire new build.

There seem to be a lot of people here with fx processors that thought the same thing but ended up having to upgrade. 

[Origami Cactus]

2021, the rzyen 4000 will be the last on am4, and ryzen 5000/ (maybe a new name) will be on am5 with ddr5 ram, usb4, and pcie 4.0/5.0.

 

I just hope that maybe ryzen 600 series motherboards will also have usb 4, that would be very nice.

[TheReal_ist]

Why should we care. Seeing as with this last gen we will get a refined UP TO 16 core CONSUMER chip. 

 

We will be set for YEARS at least. People aren't even using 6 cores at 5ghz effectively. So imagining we will use 16 cores at 5ghz is PRETTY doubtful in the near future.

[LukeLinusFanFic]

1 minute ago, TheReal_ist said:

Why should we care. Seeing as with this last gen we will get a refined UP TO 16 core CONSUMER chip. 

 

We will be set for YEARS at least. People aren't even using 6 cores at 5ghz effectively. So imagining we will use 16 cores at 5ghz is PRETTY doubtful in the near future.

My point exactly. By the time that CPU needs to be replaced, you'll need a new motherboard anyhow

[Zando_]

6 minutes ago, TheReal_ist said:

Why should we care. Seeing as with this last gen we will get a refined UP TO 16 core CONSUMER chip. 

 

We will be set for YEARS at least. People aren't even using 6 cores at 5ghz effectively. So imagining we will use 16 cores at 5ghz is PRETTY doubtful in the near future.

Rumors and leaks, last I checked we still don't have any 100% solid proof there is a 16c AM4 chip and what speeds or price it'll run. We do know they have one SKU that can match/beat a 9900K since they showed that off at CES, but other than that nothing solid yet. 

[Terabyte_272]

AM4+ gotem

[TheReal_ist]

17 minutes ago, Zando Bob said:

Rumors and leaks, last I checked we still don't have any 100% solid proof there is a 16c AM4 chip and what speeds or price it'll run. We do know they have one SKU that can match/beat a 9900K since they showed that off at CES, but other than that nothing solid yet. 

with the 4000 series they will refine what we get now. By then I'd imagine  we'd get easy 4ghz maybe 5 by then.

 

7nm's architecturally is very strong man u underestimate it.........

just like u guys did with the first gen. 6 cores for WHAT PRICE....... its fun to make y'all eat your words. hehe

[TheReal_ist]

24 minutes ago, LukeLinusFanFic said:

My point exactly. By the time that CPU needs to be replaced, you'll need a new motherboard anyhow

16 cores or even fucking 12 cores (which is what we know is confirmed for the June release at LEAST) is MORE THAN ENOUGH.

 

Probably till 2025 easy. By then I feel we will have moved past the core increasing shit and onto something we can't even imagine. So ya we good.

[Stefan Payne]

51 minutes ago, LukeLinusFanFic said:

Basically what the title says. 

Zen2 aka Ryzen 3000 will introduce PCIe 4, that doesn't work without modifications on the Board, so AM4+ might be incoming.

 

But the Chips will be up and down compatible with the right BIOS of course.

 

51 minutes ago, LukeLinusFanFic said:

Or a better question: will am5 already be here when current AMD chips become obsolete and underpowered and need to be replaced?

AM5 will come when DDR5 is inbound.

That isn't on the horizon yet so I'd expect it to be in 2021 or somewhat around that time.

 

51 minutes ago, LukeLinusFanFic said:

People keep saying that AMD has better socket support, but DDR5 is pretty much around the corner, and eventually the socket will need to be changed. 

Yes, because they don't want to waste R&D for changed sockets if they don't have to.

ANd where did you get that DDR5 is around the Corner??

 

Here an Article:
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2017/03/next-generation-ddr5-ram-will-double-the-speed-of-ddr4-in-2018/

 

 

[Zando_]

21 minutes ago, TheReal_ist said:

with the 4000 series they will refine what we get now. By then I'd imagine  we'd get easy 4ghz maybe 5 by then.

 

7nm's architecturally is very strong man u underestimate it.........

just like u guys did with the first gen. 6 cores for WHAT PRICE....... its fun to make y'all eat your words. hehe

? Eat my words? All I've said is that we don't have anything solid yet. Overhype never helps anyone, I'd rather just wait and see what they actually make rather than speculate and count on a product that may or may not exist. Like I said, we do know they have one SKU that can beat the 9900K, other than that we don't know anything about any others, pricing, or clockspeeds and core counts (except again, the 8c/16t they put against a 9900K). 

 

Also the Ryzen 2000 series gets easy 4Ghz, the Ryzen 1000 series had a lot of chips that got easy 4Ghz (source: me hitting 4.2-4.25GHz on my 2700X, and 4GHz on my R5 1600), what are you talking about? I assume there'll be some SKUs hitting/capable of hitting 5Ghz with Ryzen 3000/Zen 2, but I'm not gonna count on that and a bunch of so far unproven SKUs and pricing charts until AMD actually releases them. 

[SocomSuade]

2 hours ago, LukeLinusFanFic said:

There seem to be a lot of people here with fx processors that thought the same thing but ended up having to upgrade. 

Well AM4 launched Sept. 2016 and that is a 3 full years. Nobody knows what AM5 will be like or how long it will support but I am inclined to believe another few years. Much better than literally zero possible upgrade with my 4790k.

[Mister Woof]

2 hours ago, ThatFlashCat said:

I'm debating whether it's worth upgrading to a 3000 series chip with my x370 board or if I should just wait until I rebuild entirely, though I did just put $120 on another 16gb of ram.

Wait. It's historically never been worth upgrading within 3 or so generations.

 

Shit, how many users here are just now upgrading from their Sandy Bridges? Which are 8 years old?